KINGofCRA5H
Member
After reading the last page, it's all starting to make sense now, regarding Gies and Polygon.
Killzone Shadow Fall Review Thread
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It's fairly extraordinary how many people just accept that Killzone must be mediocre because it is getting mediocre reviews. We are talking about game reviews and reviewers here. They're incredibly fickle and highly inconsistent.
It doesn't surprise me that Killzone's single player isn't the best thing ever - I would be surprised if it isn't capable of matching a Call of Duty or Battlefield toe to toe any day of the week. That of course is where the multiplayer element of the scoring tends to come into play.
Reviews of games with significant (or primary) multiplayer components are always, pretty much regardless of the reviewer, totally off base. Sometimes reviews are written on the basis of no multiplayer time, most are written on the basis of highly limited multiplayer time in extremely constrained environments. Most of the rating of the multiplayer seems to be based off hype or history. Call of Duty, with its ever mediocre single player still reviews well because there is a presumption that the multiplayer is high quality. You never see any remotely deep analysis of multiplayer games in reviews - it's all just guesswork.
I don't know whether Killzone's multiplayer will make up for what is probably a fairly run-of-the-mill single player experience. I just don't think the people who've reviewed it really know either. I do know that I don't want to play Call of Duty again, so, my fingers are crossed.
It doesn't surprise me that Killzone's single player isn't the best thing ever - I would be surprised if it isn't capable of matching a Call of Duty or Battlefield toe to toe any day of the week. That of course is where the multiplayer element of the scoring tends to come into play.
Reviews of games with significant (or primary) multiplayer components are always, pretty much regardless of the reviewer, totally off base. Sometimes reviews are written on the basis of no multiplayer time, most are written on the basis of highly limited multiplayer time in extremely constrained environments. Most of the rating of the multiplayer seems to be based off hype or history. Call of Duty, with its ever mediocre single player still reviews well because there is a presumption that the multiplayer is high quality. You never see any remotely deep analysis of multiplayer games in reviews - it's all just guesswork.
I don't know whether Killzone's multiplayer will make up for what is probably a fairly run-of-the-mill single player experience. I just don't think the people who've reviewed it really know either. I do know that I don't want to play Call of Duty again, so, my fingers are crossed.
There is a sea's worth of shit that likely makes him say this. There's a reason even EviLore (the owner of GAF) called him the most disreputable member of Gaming Journalism, and guess what, it had nothing to do with Sony, or Microsoft, or games reviews. The guy is an out and out corporate lackey and just generally disingenuous even outside of gaming. He has also been wrong, ignorant or misinforming on more things than one could possibly remember.
For me his defence of EA/Sim City, and it's always online features even when his lies were proven to be lies, and even when all evidence was mounting against his claims and defences, was the pick of the bunch for me. That shit was a train wreck to see unfold.
It's a bloody joke of a review and it's not even because of the score lol
ps: if Anyone has trouble understanding why people say geis is fully of shit, watch their ps4 life stream. You couldn't find better MS PR even inside MS
That 7.5 still brings tears to my eyes, mean sure it's all "OPINIONS" but Tlou is GOTY for me. I just want to see old Jimmy Sterlings review of KZ:SF.
TheBaronOfNA
Banned
You make it sound like this was universal panned game.
boredandlazy
Member
And you'll ignore the good scores too because you've.... played the game?
Infamous hasn't been delayed. Are you confusing it with Watch_Dogs? One open world dystopian near-future is pretty much as good as the next.
I feel pretty confident in saying the campaign in Killzone will be far better than PDZ. I mean it has to be.
As for multiplayer who knows. I had a lot of fun in PDZ for a couple of months but it was my first online console game so I'm sure that skewed things a bit.
TheSinkingKnight
Member
I don't care what the reviews are saying. I will enjoy this game.
Arthur Gies is also the author of these essential literary pieces of excellent critical analysis:
This is irrelevant to the matter of the legitimacy of this review, it's just to emphasize that Arthur Gies is incompetent at what his function as a game reviewer and writer actually is.
This is irrelevant to the matter of the legitimacy of this review, it's just to emphasize that Arthur Gies is incompetent at what his function as a game reviewer and writer actually is.
Thanks, I do recall all that happening now. I try to not be a negative person but I find it really hard to trust his opinion.
MikeXXIeaf
Banned
I ignore scores in general, always have.
I'll still most likely buy this, I just think it's interesting to see Gaf selectively take the high road on reviews depending on which game it is.
fluffydelusions
Member
Same here. KZ3 didn't score great but I still had fun with it.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
This can't be right. Anybody else confirm, he admitted this? Because this would literally DISGUST me.
Awesome to hear that actually!
Gaf is my main destination now a days, but I wish kotaku luck, lolygon .... nah.
Lol experimented ....
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
That is how reviews are in general. Nothing surprising about that.
No need to watch the stream even...check the thread. It's filled with comedy gold material from him and some of his fellow 'journalists' at Polygon
Not taking into account a proper analysis of the biggest aspect of the game into their review/score is how things are done generally?
Battenhousen was a total Sony fanboy (and still is), but he's no Arthur Gies. Arthus Gies is a straight shitty person
He played multiplayer before reviewing. Reviewers never play that much of it. I mean I don't see any reviewers getting to level 70 in cod before they write a review.
It's a launch game. I know a lot of people were expecting high 80's low 90's but it's a rushed launch game.
Remind me why you're in this thread? lol
Both sites have been doing really amazing features and articles. Both are absolutely terrible when it comes to reviews.
Always-honest
Banned
Imo the killzone sp games had really good level design and memorable setpieces...
Mookie1515
Member
I (foolishly) tried to listen to Rebel FM once, and was absolutely flabbergasted at how much of a huge, egocentric prick he came off as.
I had never heard of him before, and looked him up, and was not surprised to see all of the rest of the Internet's opinion of him followed mine.
But seriously, never listen to Rebel FM,
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
Yes? Lots of reviewers dabble in multiplayer and are done with it. Especially before the game is out.
I couldn't watch too much of it..it's hard to stomache such blatent fanboyism
For example:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89699786&postcount=32
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89702208&postcount=96
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=89702746&postcount=109
and more. I suffered through some of their opinions and comments about remoteplay just now. No more
Dunno if your claim about lots of reviewers doing it hold any merit or what's it's based on. But for a game whose primary component is the MP experience that should be the most closely examined aspect. If an outlet is not doing so then that review is as useful as 'insert clever comment about something not useful here'
Acquiescence
Member
The multiplayer component plays a pretty big role in the Killzone franchise, yet it was sufficient to "experiment" with it and nothing more? Imagine if a critic disregarded the multiplayer in Battlefield 4 or Ghosts so eagerly and focused squarely on the single player campaign.
Arthur being the reviewer pretty much guarantees its going to be a great game.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
I am watching the Polygon stream right now, and it's a lot worse then you think...I'll leave it at that.
SniperHunter
Banned
What is a lot worse? The multiplayer?
Is this for real? It's like a live stream straight from microsoft's shareholders.. WTF!?
No.... don't leave it at that. What is he doing/saying. Give me exact quotes.
I'm on mobile 3g and cant watch the stream.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
I will never understand the logic of flipping out over a review of a game before you've played it. Flip out after you have by all means but when you haven't even touched the game you're arguing from a position of ignorance.
So Titanfall is destined to get a shit review score since there is no single player game?
Polygon's not streaming killzone atm, they're having a 12 hour ps4 marathon where they make witty and intelligent comments about the system
/s
Arthur Gies is also the author of these essential literary pieces of excellent critical analysis:
This is irrelevant to the matter of the legitimacy of this review, it's just to emphasize that Arthur Gies is incompetent at what his function as a game reviewer and writer actually is.
He has different opinions to me therefore everything he says must be wrong!
His Killzone review may be a load of rubbish. His opinions on the PS4 may be massively skewed, but saying he is useless at reviews because he has highly rated games you don't like is silly.
-tetsuo-
Unlimited Capacity
It... depends on their impression of the game? You think when Warhawk came out reviewers were spending 20 hours playing multiplayer matches before they felt they could make a write up about it?
Who decided that Killzones primary component was multiplayer? To many people, it isnt.
I agree.
We've been through this many times, with multiple games. Skyward Sword, Uncharted 3, Halo 4, and the Last of Us. It's just one man's opinion, and that's all that it is. Killzone Shadow Fall is the must have launch game, and I am personally super stoked to play it. Some of ya'll are taking this a little too far 
, is anyone excited about seeing that 1080p Killzone Gameplay in 60 FPS??
, is anyone excited about seeing that 1080p Killzone Gameplay in 60 FPS??