Killzone Shadow Fall Review Thread
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Price Drop
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Not a shocker that Killzone is somewhere between average and great. There was nothing shown in this game (or any other next-gen launch game for that matter) that would be truly innovative in gameplay. If it's a decent launch title shooter that showcases the PS4, then it did its job.
3rdamention
Member
Just wait to play the game and judge by yourself.
Don't let other people guide your judgment.
Anyway, there are a lot of positive review.
NullPointer
Member
Seriously.
KZ3's credits pop up out of nowhere. Its nearly mid-sentence, and unfortunately its not the only time in that game that it happens.
I still think the game starts strong though, and keeps you focused while throwing you into all kinds of different situations. The first third is pretty damn good. It just gets weaker as it goes, with spots of brilliance mired in, uhh, hmm, ehhh...
Ingueferroque
Banned
Not a fan of Killzone, but I can't get over the fact that Polygon is simply biding by Microsoft's wishes. It's almost creepy.
The weirdly low score for the PS4, the lack of XB1 review as the PS4 review is up for all to see with no counterpoint, the low scores for flagship Sony titles like Killzone and The Last of Us, ... the weird comments by Gies about COD XB1 having better lighting effects, ... it's just strange to me.
The weirdly low score for the PS4, the lack of XB1 review as the PS4 review is up for all to see with no counterpoint, the low scores for flagship Sony titles like Killzone and The Last of Us, ... the weird comments by Gies about COD XB1 having better lighting effects, ... it's just strange to me.
This is why I'm waiting. Id rather enjoy my new console with games I'm pumped about playing, and those will take some time to come out.
Flower is great but I already played it. Resogun might be fun for a couple of afternoons.
Id rather focus on my wii u and 3ds backlogs.
For those getting a ps4, if you haven't played ac4, get it . Its trully terrific. Loving it on wii u.
Vire
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Just curious, did you like AC3? How would you compare it?
I'm hesitant to jump in with AC4 because of my feelings for the last game.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
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It'd be nice if their entire existence was just eradicated effective immediately. I hope no one every mentions them again.
SRTtoZ
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Conspiracy? No. Bias? Yea. I mean we know hes pro MS, has been for a while, tried to defend secret sauce, also states he hopes GG doesn't show a new KZ at the reveal, shows he hates the series. Reviews game, gives it a 5 out of 10, a FIVE out of 10. The guy hasnt even played CoD ghosts yet he says the XB1 has better lighting, even though its mentioned nowhere. I mean, this isn't something hidden that detectivegaf needs to dig up, its out in the open.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I'm a little puzzled by the reviews of this game as a whole. It's getting solid reviews, but it seems like the BF4's and COD's of the world get a completely free pass when it comes to single player, meanwhile that's all reviewers are judging KZ:SF on.
It's hardly a fair comparison, as I'm absolutely positive that KZ:SF is a step above both games when it comes to the single player. Sure, it may have a disappointing story, and the open mechanics may not be exploited enough, but all the Killzone titles have had a much stronger single player component than any iteration of CoD or BF.
Why the double standard? It doesn't surprise me that the game doesn't quite live up to its full potential in single player, but for the vast majority of the KZ community the single player is a one-and-done.
Just like the BF series and CoD, the strength of Killzone is going to primarily revolve around its multiplayer component, which is hardly mentioned in any great depth in any of the reviews.
I feel like the press honestly has no clue how to review multiplayer games, so as long as it's an established popular series it automatically gets a free pass despite being the same game that's released yearly for nearly a decade.
Multiplayer sounds like it's going to be an absolute blast and that's 90% of why I buy any shooter.
It's hardly a fair comparison, as I'm absolutely positive that KZ:SF is a step above both games when it comes to the single player. Sure, it may have a disappointing story, and the open mechanics may not be exploited enough, but all the Killzone titles have had a much stronger single player component than any iteration of CoD or BF.
Why the double standard? It doesn't surprise me that the game doesn't quite live up to its full potential in single player, but for the vast majority of the KZ community the single player is a one-and-done.
Just like the BF series and CoD, the strength of Killzone is going to primarily revolve around its multiplayer component, which is hardly mentioned in any great depth in any of the reviews.
I feel like the press honestly has no clue how to review multiplayer games, so as long as it's an established popular series it automatically gets a free pass despite being the same game that's released yearly for nearly a decade.
Multiplayer sounds like it's going to be an absolute blast and that's 90% of why I buy any shooter.
So we'll disregard every negative opinion of Tropical Freeze that comes from someone who wanted Retro to do a new IP?
Have you played it?
I know GameInformer is holding back their Killzone review until the play the MP according to their twitter feed. Much respect to them for that. These other website should follow their lead in regard to reviewing a game where 90% of you time will be on MP.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
No, but I've seen enough footage released to know that mechanically it's doing a lot more than those other shooters, and with much stronger production values.
I'm not really into this whole 'console warz' shit, but I have a hard fucking time believing a competent FPS with amazing graphics deserves a 5, when COD and BF4 do the same thing year in year out and get much higher scores.
Don't get me wrong, i enjoy all of these franchises but where's the fucking consistency?
Don't get me wrong, i enjoy all of these franchises but where's the fucking consistency?
One weird old tip to find joy in your hobby: Video game reviews are trash and purchasing decisions should be made based on your own research of available media and peer group feedback.
Scarecrow
Member
To be fair, others were down on killzone when it was revealed, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKZpaLoUG-c
(around 4:10 in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKZpaLoUG-c
(around 4:10 in)
I think most people in here take all reviews with a grain of salt. Doesn't mean we aren't allowed to call bullshit when we see it.
old
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I can neither agree nor disagree with that statement because I have completely forgotten KZ3's ending. It was that forgettable.
Can't agree more.
Dreams-Visions
Member
A GAFer that has been streaming live from their PS4's tonight said that the game felt boring and that BF4's gunplay is significantly better.
Make of that what you will.
SRTtoZ
Member
Exactly. I think we all know what a 5 out of 10 game is and KZSF is not that.
mickcenary
Member
Good on them. It just annoys me now that the "damage" is done by these incomplete early reviews. Sure, an intelligent person doesn't put all their stock in an aggregate number at the end of the day, but a lot of people do and GG don't deserve that.
SRTtoZ
Member
I'm watching the same stream. I can't really take him that seriously considering during the stealth section where you have no weapon he tried to charge straight ahead without hiding and he got upset when he got shot. "Fuck this, i'm done with this game".
He also complained that the level design is bad because its not telling him EXACTLY where to go. I thought people wanted more freedom and open levels? They did that in KZSF and all of a sudden people want to be led by the hand instead?
Everyone has an opinion and that's fine but when I watch certain things like this I try to put myself into that persons shoes and see how I would react and in both of those instances I wholeheartedly disagree with him.
How can we know this? We haven't played it?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
I find that very hard to believe considering BF's gunplay is nowhere near Killzone if the past entries are anything to go by.
Thundercleese
Banned
Dude, you got your PS4 early? Sweet! How is it?
The GB guys were getting lost in their QL too.
Dreams-Visions
Member
well Mr. Sawyer, we'll all find out soon enough.
Also, I've never found BF's gunplay to be subpar.
SRTtoZ
Member
And? Again, whats wrong with exploration and trying to figure out where to go? Remember when games didn't have a waypoint that showed you EXACTLY how to get somewhere?
Dictator93
Member
KZ2 had quite a bit of recoil and had guns much more attached to the center of the screen. KZFS has less recoil and goes for the golden eye style of weapon placement in the first person screenplace. It makes the guns look less meancing and violent when they fire.
A lot of these small visual/kinetic cues can make for less than satisfying gun play.
It doesn't matter if he happens to be right on this review or not. It's missing the point. The point is Arthur Gies is the most fucked up, ill-informed, moronic individual employed in the industry. We have literally years worth of factually incorrect and disingenuous nonsense from him.
Therefore, the point is we cannot use anything he says as a viable opinion one way or the other. If some KZ fanboys want to freak out 'cause the SCORE is too low, that's missing the point. The point is the person delivering the message is the world's biggest bumbling buffoon.
I feel like we keep focusing on this guy because people want to act like some of us are freaking out because we wanted KZ to score better. That's not the problem. I don't even like KZ.
Therefore, the point is we cannot use anything he says as a viable opinion one way or the other. If some KZ fanboys want to freak out 'cause the SCORE is too low, that's missing the point. The point is the person delivering the message is the world's biggest bumbling buffoon.
I feel like we keep focusing on this guy because people want to act like some of us are freaking out because we wanted KZ to score better. That's not the problem. I don't even like KZ.
Colonel Nasty
Member
Bwah ha ha ha.
is it really that important to you? the opinion of a single person you don't even know personally? someone people call professional gamer? but this people barely play a game like we do, with time, they only rush tru it, really, to you and many others that think that way just rent the game at a redbox, its gonna cost you about $1.50 per day, in a few hours you'll know by your own personal experience if its worth you money or not and in the worst case scenario you will only lose less than 2 bucks
There is no consistency. They bashed Arkham Origins for being a City rehash and then literally a week later gave AC4 and BF4 a bunch of 8s-10s.
edit: And by they I mean the media in general, not just Polygon.
There's a line between exploration and bad/confusing level design. Just saying what they thought
Not even trying to crush this game, because- its sitting under my TV.
This series has always bugged me a little. 2 had the lag/deadzone issue, 3 was ok, but the gunplay was still not great. I think this one will be better, and I'm a graphics whore anyway...I'm sure it will look great on the big screen. This will probably be the first game I play out of BF4, Madden, and 2K13. There is no possible way this game deserves a 5 though. Lol, I will eat crow if it's that bad, but I seriously doubt it.
You forgot the annual sports franchises!
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
BTW, I thought the GameTrailers review was excellent.
They go into a lot of detail about the multiplayer and show off a ton of new maps, pretty much state that while the single player is good overall, the real meat of the game is in the multiplayer.
No aim-assist & recoil mentioned as positives that reward skill, and that the title is more grounded in the actual back-and-forth combat than more recent titles.
It got me extremely excited and it's sounding like SF will rekindle that KZ2 magic.
They go into a lot of detail about the multiplayer and show off a ton of new maps, pretty much state that while the single player is good overall, the real meat of the game is in the multiplayer.
No aim-assist & recoil mentioned as positives that reward skill, and that the title is more grounded in the actual back-and-forth combat than more recent titles.
It got me extremely excited and it's sounding like SF will rekindle that KZ2 magic.
Agreed. These reviewers are nothing more than a bunch of fanboys and that contradict themselves constantly. There's no consistency when these guys are no more professional than you or I.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Yeah I honestly have no idea why Polygon is even allowed to be on sites like metacritic.
Here you have a site that receives direct funding from Microsoft, yet there's a huge conflict of interest because they also review games on other systems. It would be like the official playstation magazine reviewing Xbox games.
Arthur Gies has also shown to be one of the biggest slimeballs in the industry going by his twitter activity the last year or so. The guy was basically laughed off GAF for constantly downplaying Sony and propping up Microsoft. The guy couldn't be anymore transparent.
It's always better to wait 2 or 3 years before buying a new console, but I do not abide by this rule anymore lol(it ain't a perfect world). The reason being that I developed my trading skills thanks to red flag deals and some friends. :^p I can buy the brand new consoles and make a deal happen even if there isn't any (I traded a lot of games for a profit and got a 3DS XL, Wii U and PS4 for a good price).
The trend is that new consoles are at their best with the first model and a price cut imply a cheaper model with less features (look at the 2DS, Wii mini, new Vita, latest PS3 slim and Xbox 360 models). I would rather have the console which is at it's most expensive but with all the features than wait for lesser revision.