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Kimbo vs Gannon

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Boogie

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Apharmd Battler said:
I didn't get a PM. :(
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It was probably sent out in order of prominence. Those who regularly contribute to GAF MMA discussions get first priority.

Let's hope you learn your lesson when my next Pride Preview thread comes around :D
 
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NLB2

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Just sent out some more PMs. If more people ask for them, can somebody else handle it please? I'm playing in a concert tonight.
 
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Loki

Count of Concision
Well, I didn't see the video, only the pictures that were just posted at that link. But from those pics, I'd say that A) Gannon's not NEARLY as intimidating-looking as Kimbo is, and B) Gannon looks to have absolutely TERRIBLE posture/balance in most of the pics where he's throwing/recoiling from a punch. He doesn't seem to maintain his center of gravity; perhaps this doesn't matter AS much since there was a "no ground-fighting" rule (once you lose your balance, an experienced grappler will take you to the floor quick), but still, it's MUCH easier to get hit with a punch when you can't evade it due to not having your feet underneath you at all times.


In contrast, Kimbo seems to have his shoulders and feet squared and proper weight distribution (i.e., better form) on each strike judging by the pics. I find it hard to believe that Gannon was a 6-time golden glove winner going strictly by the pics. Anybody else see what I'm talking about?
 
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NLB2

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It seems as if my YouSendIt bandwidth is out. El Papa said he'd host it if I sent the file to him but my email seems to not want to send any files over 10 MB. If anyone would send the file to El Papa I, and anyone who hasn't seen the fight would appreciate it very much.
 
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Boogie

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Loki said:
Well, I didn't see the video, only the pictures that were just posted at that link. But from those pics, I'd say that A) Gannon's not NEARLY as intimidating-looking as Kimbo is, and B) Gannon looks to have absolutely TERRIBLE posture/balance in most of the pics where he's throwing/recoiling from a punch. He doesn't seem to maintain his center of gravity; perhaps this doesn't matter AS much since there was a "no ground-fighting" rule (once you lose your balance, an experienced grappler will take you to the floor quick), but still, it's MUCH easier to get hit with a punch when you can't evade it due to not having your feet underneath you at all times.


In contrast, Kimbo seems to have his shoulders and feet squared and proper weight distribution (i.e., better form) on each strike judging by the pics. I find it hard to believe that Gannon was a 6-time golden glove winner going strictly by the pics. Anybody else see what I'm talking about?
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I'd agree, from the pics, but since Kimbo's the one lying flat on his back at the end, and was reportedly knocked down 4 times during the fight, I'm going to have to wait to see the video.
 
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El Papa

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I have the low quality video, I'm uploading now.

edit: Nevermind on the high quality vid, since it's encrypted and doesn't really show much.
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Loki said:
Well, I didn't see the video, only the pictures that were just posted at that link. But from those pics, I'd say that A) Gannon's not NEARLY as intimidating-looking as Kimbo is, and B) Gannon looks to have absolutely TERRIBLE posture/balance in most of the pics where he's throwing/recoiling from a punch. He doesn't seem to maintain his center of gravity; perhaps this doesn't matter AS much since there was a "no ground-fighting" rule (once you lose your balance, an experienced grappler will take you to the floor quick), but still, it's MUCH easier to get hit with a punch when you can't evade it due to not having your feet underneath you at all times.


In contrast, Kimbo seems to have his shoulders and feet squared and proper weight distribution (i.e., better form) on each strike judging by the pics. I find it hard to believe that Gannon was a 6-time golden glove winner going strictly by the pics. Anybody else see what I'm talking about?
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This is what I referred to in my 1st post. Kimbo actually seems like a better boxer then Gannon. He hits him with a short uppercut early on, in contrast Gannon mostly throws wild punches. I'm telling you, look at the fight and you'll see Gannon's face is just destroyed. At the end of the fight both guys are fatigued and just standing toe to toe throwing punches with no defense. I didn't really get a close view of Kimbo, but Kimbo landed some monster blows to Gannon to make his face look like that.

Gannon just wanted this more, and the chokes really fatigued Kimbo. Gannon wasn't going to lose this one. This was not a boxing match...it was just two guys slugging teh shit out of eachother after they gassed. Although Kimbo took quite a bit of punishment, he seemed to be KOed more from fatigue.

That being said, I'm fairly certain Gannon would have finished this double quick if subs and ground was allowed. He got Kimbo in two tight guillotines double quick. As far as hands go, Kimbo seemed the better trained fighter imo...this was no walk in the park for Gannon, as a matter of fact he may have taken more damage.

I'm uploading the 40 meg version now. Anyone who wants it, pm me. It'll be ready soon. Boogie, I know to get it you.
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Its the whole fight in decent quality.

You know guys on 3rd viewing, Kimbo looks more impressive for a supposed street fighter VS a supposed GG 6X champ. His striking just looks better most of the time, and had he had better cardio I think this fight could have been different.

He also passed Gannons guard with the same move Sak used on Igor! :lol

Don't mean to short change Gannon...he controlled Kimbo with those two guillotines. But, for all the talk about him putting an asswhupping on a untrained street brawler easily...it just didn't happen. Judging from the vid Gannon could very well need reconstructive surgery, and he onlly put Kimbo away after he took a horrible beating himself and Kimbo was fatigued. Mad props to Gannon for winning and never saying die, but Kimbo is not the shitty fighter Gannon made him out to be in allot of his posts on the net. Not after what he did to him.
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Absolutely, it's still uploading. Get it to you asap.

I really would like to see a photo of Kimbos face...because after viewing this fight again, Kimbo may have very well infliced more damage. I have to watch it again...but Kimbo hurt Gannon bad in this fight...Gannon just didn't quit.

I also wouldn't be surprised if both guys broke their hands. You could tell they were both in allot of pain.
 
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Loki

Count of Concision
Biff Hardbody said:
Judging from the vid Gannon could very well need reconstructive surgery, and he onlly put Kimbo away after he took a horrible beating himself and Kimbo was fatigued.
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Seriously-- those screen grabs looked horrendous. I'm sure that it looks worse due to the swelling of the surrounding tissue, but that wasn't a huge knot on Gannon's head, it was a dent in his head. First thing I thought was that I hope he got to a hospital ASAP after that fight, because he likely had intracranial bleeding. Scary. The fact that Kimbo has that kind of power is just frightening; like you said, Kimbo's face didn't seem to be as damaged, going by the still pics at least.


Do you think most heavyweights have the kind of power to do damage like that (and in that other Kimbo vid) barefisted? I dunno...if so, then I'll have to reconsider my answer to the oft-posed question: "would you take a straight shot to the face from Mike Tyson for $1M?" If it'd do THAT sort of damage, then helllll no. :lol


Man, I must admit-- part of me wanted to see Kimbo get messed up (just to see if it was possible), but even though he lost, the other guy seemed to get the worst of it. And you're telling me that this "Marvin Gray" character from the pen would have ate Kimbo for breakfast? I dunno dude...that pic of him you posted on OA made him look like just another biker. Kimbo, however, is completely frightening. :p
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Loki said:
Seriously-- those screen grabs looked horrendous. I'm sure that it looks worse due to the swelling of the surrounding tissue, but that wasn't a huge knot on Gannon's head, it was a dent in his head. First thing I thought was that I hope he got to a hospital ASAP after that fight, because he likely had intracranial bleeding. Scary. The fact that Kimbo has that kind of power is just frightening; like you said, Kimbo's face didn't seem to be as damaged, going by the still pics at least.


Do you think most heavyweights have the kind of power to do damage like that (and in that other Kimbo vid) barefisted? I dunno...if so, then I'll have to reconsider my answer to the oft-posed question: "would you take a straight shot to the face from Mike Tyson for $1M?" If it'd do THAT sort of damage, then helllll no. :lol


Man, I must admit-- part of me wanted to see Kimbo get messed up (just to see if it was possible), but even though he lost, the other guy seemed to get the worst of it. And you're telling me that this "Marvin Gray" character from the pen would have ate Kimbo for breakfast? I dunno dude...that pic of him you posted on OA made him look like just another biker. Kimbo, however, is completely frightening. :p
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I don't know if Gannon's face was dented, at least from the swelling ontop. Frazier had a similar (bigger) swell in "The Thrilla", as have other boxers. However, Gannon's face definitely was really fucked up. The swelling and the blood make it look terribly bad. The fact that he took several bare knuckle blows from a 240lber make me believe you may be right about it being dented in some ways though.

As far as heavyweight boxers having that kind of power? Kimbo hasn't got anything on them. Bare knuckles do an incredible amount of damage, and he's a big guy who knows somewhat how to hit. If you want to see real power, watch Joe Louis fight Max Baer. Even with the gloves, he litteraly snaps Bears head back with EVERY fucking punch he throws. Even the light ones. Not just powerful, but far more accurate then anything Mr.Slice could ever hope to throw. It was like watching some amazing machine...watching Kimbo and Gannon fight is just a joke compared to it. Shouldn't be mentioned along Louis IMO. Really, if your interested in boxing get that fight...its some of boxings best.

I do agree that Gannon seemed to get the worst of it though. At least until I see better pics of Kimbo.

About Marvin Grey. All I can tell you is what I know. 300-350 lb (compared to Kimbos 240) power lifter who killed a fellow convict with a single punch to the stomach. Known for "abusing" the so called toughest guys in jail. Even the guards were afraid of this guy.



And its still uploading fellahs. When its done I'll send it...
 
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Biff Hardbody

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That site that NLB2 posted is the finest place around to get fights, and other material. I highly suggest anyone interested in MMA sign up there whenever they can.

Sorry the upload is taking so long fellahs...when its done it'll be up.
 
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Loki

Count of Concision
NLB2 said:
About the dent: my father has a dent on his forehead from when he hit it on a diving board in his youth. The dent most likely was there before the fight ever took place.
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Yeah, my grandfather has one on his forehead from a piece of shrapnel from WW2, so I know it can happen. But in the still shots you can see Gannon posing for the camera before the fight started, and it doesn't look like he had it. Eh, I dunno-- I guess you can see it better in the video.
 
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Vinzer Deling

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Biff Hardbody said:
but Kimbo is not the shitty fighter Gannon made him out to be in allot of his posts on the net. Not after what he did to him.
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You mean all the talk about Kimbo beating the likes of Fedor? Hell I don't even think he can handle Takayama. :lol
 
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NLB2

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Fedor might be able to handle Kimbo, but he's no match for Gannon the Cannon's heart. :).

If were on the subject of mma, anybody know anything about the BJ Penn Rodrgio Gracie fight? I can't seem to find any way of watching it.
Edit: November 20th.
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Sokar said:
You mean all the talk about Kimbo beating the likes of Fedor? Hell I don't even think he can handle Takayama. :lol
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No, I mean Gannon saying shit like he would mop the floor with Kimbo and the guy didn't belong in the same ring with him since he is a trained fighter. Gannon won, but his face looked like a jigsaw puzzel after Slice was done with him. That, plus the fact that Gannon didn't KTFO Kimbo like he said he would, but beat him from more exhaustion then damage (IMO, I could be wrong). Also remember Gannon had a 40 lb weight advantage. Come on, got to give Kimbo credit. He put Gannon in the hospital (if you believe reports that have surfaced. gannon supposedly has broken hands, blood in his lungs and cuncussions).

Still fucking uploading...comeo on, I want to play HL2....argh!!!
 
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Particle Physicist

between a quark and a baryon
Biff Hardbody said:
About Marvin Grey. All I can tell you is what I know. 300-350 lb (compared to Kimbos 240) power lifter who killed a fellow convict with a single punch to the stomach. Known for "abusing" the so called toughest guys in jail. Even the guards were afraid of this guy.
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you have a pic of this guy ?
 
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Biff Hardbody

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I'm up on 2 hours this fucking thing has been uploading. This is really weird, as files this size are ussually done in 30 minutes for me...It is killing me not playing HL2, and I'm getting fucking tired. I'm doing it though...I'll let you guys know when its ready, but know its taking for fucking ever right now....
 
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Boogie

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Biff Hardbody said:
I'm up on 2 hours this fucking thing has been uploading. This is really weird, as files this size are ussually done in 30 minutes for me...It is killing me not playing HL2, and I'm getting fucking tired. I'm doing it though...I'll let you guys know when its ready, but know its taking for fucking ever right now....
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You're hardcore, Biff. Resisting Half-Life 2 to give us a video....I don't think I'd have the strength to resist.
 
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Biff Hardbody

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Boogie said:
You're hardcore, Biff. Resisting Half-Life 2 to give us a video....I don't think I'd have the strength to resist.
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No problemo. My work is done here. I sent it to everyone who asked. If I missed someone, just let me know. If anyone needs a rehost, please someone else do it.

HL2 here I come....
 
dream

dream

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My point is what did Gannon prove? His standup looked like shit, word is he's in the hospital with blood in his lungs, and there are people trying to get him fired from his job (he's a cop) over what his people are shamelessly calling a "sparring session."
 
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Biff Hardbody

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dream said:
My point is what did Gannon prove? His standup looked like shit, word is he's in the hospital with blood in his lungs, and there are people trying to get him fired from his job (he's a cop) over what his people are shamelessly calling a "sparring session."
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I basically agree with Dream. Even though Gannon won, it did not come off well for him IMO if we are talking about technique, which was basically what he said this fight was about. A trained MMA fighter defeating a street brawler. If you want to talk about it in terms of drive and toughness, yes it has it's admirable qualities. But, like I said before Gannon had his hands full with this crude fighter he outweighed by 40 lbs. It wasn't worth it, at least not for the reasons he originally set out in his posts...
 
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NLB2

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Sorry Dream, I misunderstood your post. I thought you were saying that fighting in general was retarted, not Gannon's performance/reason for having the fight. Sorry about the assumption.
 
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Hitman

Edmonton's milkshake attracts no boys.
Those two illegal knees to Kimbo were brutal! I don't think Gannon hurt Kimbo too much(aside from fatiging him) before those two knees landed. Kimbo seemed to be the one putting the hurt on Gannon.. as you can see from Gannon's face.
 
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Teddman

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Guys, here's an online quicktime of the fight:

http://www.muchosucko.com/video-bareknucklebrawl.html

Biff, I know Kimbo is your boy and all, but you are really spinning a bit in this thread. He got beat. BAD. I'd go as far to say that Kimbo really doesn't seem to hold that much potential in the long term in this kind of fighting... Gannon was the first really tough guy he faced, no? Kimbo's entirely an early knockout guy.

Any hopes for a legit boxing career I'd say are shot too. He'd last maybe three-four rounds.

Kimbo's conditioning is terrible, Gannon literally could have killed him at the end if he wanted to. The guy was laying down for dead. Gannon is a class act for not maiming him.

Also, closer shots of Kimbo's face will probably reveal a lot of punishment, and I'd imagine he has some internal bleeding/broken ribs from some of the worst body and kidney shots I've seen.
 
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Hitman

Edmonton's milkshake attracts no boys.
If this fight was a full on street fight with no rules Gannon would have probably destroyed him even worse. Thing is, apparently this was supposed to be just bare knuckle boxing.. and the choking and the kneeing was pretty cheap.
 
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NLB2

Banned
The chokings not cheap because Kimbo shot. What else was Gannon supposed to do? Let Kimbo knock him down?
 
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Hitman

Edmonton's milkshake attracts no boys.
NLB2 said:
The chokings not cheap because Kimbo shot. What else was Gannon supposed to do? Let Kimbo knock him down?
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That's assuming he meant to shoot.. It kind of looks like he slipped too. But yeh, shooting would be breaking the rules too.
 
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El Papa

Member
I tried to upload it to my FTP at school but it wouldn't work. I think there might be a limit on filesizes to upload. I just got home too, does it still need hosting? I could try it to from my house.
 
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Minotauro

Finds Purchase on Dog Nutz
Does Gannon remind anyone else of Paul Varelans? From his technique to his ability to take massive amounts of punishment, I thought I was was watching a Vale Tudo show from the 90's.
 
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Boogie

Member
Trevelyon said:
I don't get it, the video was a sham? looks like Kimbo got his arse handed to him, hands down.
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It's not a scam, those are just internet trolls.

Hitman said:
If this fight was a full on street fight with no rules Gannon would have probably destroyed him even worse. Thing is, apparently this was supposed to be just bare knuckle boxing.. and the choking and the kneeing was pretty cheap.
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yeah, but Kimbo broke the rules too, since the one time when Gannon fell, Kimbo kept punching him on the ground.
 
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