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Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 | Final Previews are up

sloppyjoe_gamer

Gold Member
Right now, Monster Hunter Wilds - possibly the biggest release of the year, aside from GTA6 - is number 16, while KCD2 is number 20.

When hardware and F2P games are removed, KCD is in 13th place, 3 places behind Monster Hunter.

Now, I am not disputing that some morons might boycott the game because their fee fees are hurt by one optional extra roleplaying option, but it does not seem like the game will be a Veilguard level failure.

What are your expectations in regards to Steam CCU peak?

I dont expect nor ever said i expected KH2 to fail at a Veilguard level.

I think it will do just fine overall but maybe not quite as good if the devs didnt react like total shitbags to legit questions when the first story came up about it being banned.

At this point, me personally, if the gay content in question is skippable and not overly obnoxious with other woke nonsense, i dont even care about it and will consider getting it. My biggest issue at this point is how the dev treated gamers with legit questions. Not handled well at all
 

Denton

Member
At this point, me personally, if the gay content in question is skippable and not overly obnoxious with other woke nonsense, i dont even care about it and will consider getting it. My biggest issue at this point is how the dev treated gamers with legit questions. Not handled well at all
Eventually, at least he did provide all the answers and even apologized to that one youtuber (eventhough the youtuber somewhat deserved it with his lame clickbait title). The ridiculously overzealous steam discussion rules were also taken down a notch. At this point I think only few die hards are still on the boycott train.
Anyway, let's place the peak CCU bets. My guess is around 300K, yours?
 
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Eventually, at least he did provide all the answers and even apologized to that one youtuber (eventhough the youtuber somewhat deserved it with his lame clickbait title). The ridiculously overzealous steam discussion rules were also taken down a notch. At this point I think only few die hards are still on the boycott train.
Anyway, let's place the peak CCU bets. My guess is around 300K, yours?
Pretty weak apology and it's a backhanded apology. I don't really agree that the YouTuber deserved it, I feel like you should examine something you're going to be critical of. I'm sure there's many other videos that would have qualified, it's amazing by chance he picked the one that's defending him though. Or rather at least seeking clarity, defense may be a strong word.
 
But it's also true that animations are super important to sell your liveable, breathable city.


Look at the city footage of crimson desert, that game has a lot of unique animations for npcs doing their things and it is both super huge in size and not close to rockstar budget, it probably has a similar budget to kc2.

I think animations should be a huge priority in any immersive, realistic game.
Naughty Dog balances excellent animation while keeping the character in control at all times which is what immersive sims should strive for. Until we have a more tactile method to handle player controls, the method used by R* is the least preferred option.
 

Luipadre

Member
In honor of my bff Denton Denton who is my biggest fan in these posts, here is some more facts that go against his/her/it/they/those gaslighting comments that the way they acted was no big deal and they didnt do anything wrong by trying to be disingenuous and hiding the woke content

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"gamers". I'd call them lunatics
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
In honor of my bff Denton Denton who is my biggest fan in these posts, here is some more facts that go against his/her/it/they/those gaslighting comments that the way they acted was no big deal and they didnt do anything wrong by trying to be disingenuous and hiding the woke content

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The deepest of lolz. This is one of those karma moments where maybe that team and some users should have been a bit more cautious on how much they kept talking about that circus shit, only to have this game in the cross hairs of the same fucking shit.

The fact that its dropping like stone on Steam is wild, but shit some of you made a field day about games with this type of content, now suddenly shocked that crowd is turning on KCD2...


The fact that they have DLC planned makes this a easy skip for me. Finish the fucking game and then release it, this whole milking of DLC and then talking shit about other teams games is wild.

If they had all free DLC, if they had no sus shit going on in their game, then shit...all that makes sense, but if you now you are putting out a damn game where you are literally showing DLC BEFORE the game is even fucking done, I don;'t know if trying to take the moral, high horse, bullshit high ground is going to work out for em

Make the PR comments match the actions as it giving CDPR lol
 
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The deepest of lolz. This is one of those karma moments where maybe that team and some users should have been a bit more cautious on how much they kept talking about that circus shit, only to have this game in the cross hairs of the same fucking shit.

The fact that its dropping like stone on Steam is wild, but shit some of you made a field day about games with this type of content, now suddenly shocked that crowd is turning on KCD2...


The fact that they have DLC planned makes this a easy skip for me. Finish the fucking game and then release it, this whole milking of DLC and then talking shit about other teams games is wild.

If they had all free DLC, if they had no sus shit going on in their game, then shit...all that makes sense, but if you now you are putting out a damn game where you are literally showing DLC BEFORE the game is even fucking done, I don;'t know if trying to take the moral, high horse, bullshit high ground is going to work out for em

Make the PR comments match the actions as it giving CDPR lol
There is going to be some major copium for you when KCD2 launches to steller reviews and 200k+ CCU on Steam. You are no better than the annoying woketards on the other site

And KCD2 has 100+ hours of content and is said to have the most spoken words of any game in history. All DLC, for practically every game, is being worked on well before the base game is released. It is incredibly seldom for DLC to begin production after a game is released
 
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JayK47

Member
I agree that the DLC in this game, and pretty much all games, is just a way for a quick buck. Barely any DLC is worth the price. DLC tends to be lower quality than the base game in most cases.

I wonder if they will stick with release schedule of it.
 

BigBeauford

Member
giphy.webp


The deepest of lolz. This is one of those karma moments where maybe that team and some users should have been a bit more cautious on how much they kept talking about that circus shit, only to have this game in the cross hairs of the same fucking shit.

The fact that its dropping like stone on Steam is wild, but shit some of you made a field day about games with this type of content, now suddenly shocked that crowd is turning on KCD2...


The fact that they have DLC planned makes this a easy skip for me. Finish the fucking game and then release it, this whole milking of DLC and then talking shit about other teams games is wild.

If they had all free DLC, if they had no sus shit going on in their game, then shit...all that makes sense, but if you now you are putting out a damn game where you are literally showing DLC BEFORE the game is even fucking done, I don;'t know if trying to take the moral, high horse, bullshit high ground is going to work out for em

Make the PR comments match the actions as it giving CDPR lol
For better or worse, at least this showcases that these people are principled. I think it's just a bit much to make such a fuss over the mere existence of the elements. It's not like this game is going to hit us with a Barve scene.
 
Well DLC in general is an annoying thing, knowing you won't have the whole plot at launch, but you're 15 years late to complain about the issue now, i used to wait for complete edition to buy games, but can't wait that long, i will just play the basic game and then replay the whole thing with all the DLC released.
 

Denton

Member
I agree that the DLC in this game, and pretty much all games, is just a way for a quick buck. Barely any DLC is worth the price. DLC tends to be lower quality than the base game in most cases.
DLCs for KCD1 were stellar. Quite short, but stellar. Especially Hans Capon one, for its humor, and Woman's Lot, for its Johanka/Inquisition questline.

And as said above, KCD games have 100+ hours of handcrafted high quality content. Pretty much zero copy paste. DLCs are a way to extend the game's longevity even further, nothing wrong with that.
 

pudel

Member
Well DLC in general is an annoying thing, knowing you won't have the whole plot at launch, but you're 15 years late to complain about the issue now, i used to wait for complete edition to buy games, but can't wait that long, i will just play the basic game and then replay the whole thing with all the DLC released.
I will do the same here, as I did the same with KCD1. But this is really an exemption. I am still debating with myself, if its even a clever move to announce DLC's BEFORE you release yr main game. Not only the devs can put themselves in a pretty awkward situation when there game isnt selling very well....but you also give potential buyers a very good reason to not buy immediately and rather wait for the complete game. The only good reason I see, is to attract more players to buy the "gold edition"...but not sure if thats worth it. 🤷‍♂️ And I mean that in general...not even specifically for KCD.
 

Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
Im curious of improvements from the first to the second.

I tried for a few hours on the first and found it dull and just not in any way captivating. The premise sounds great, but I never got thrust into anything engaging.

Maybe the sequel can start with a little more combat and action before a slower tempo of lore and exposition.
 

Tchu-Espresso

likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Im curious of improvements from the first to the second.

I tried for a few hours on the first and found it dull and just not in any way captivating. The premise sounds great, but I never got thrust into anything engaging.

Maybe the sequel can start with a little more combat and action before a slower tempo of lore and exposition.
There seems to be a little more combat oriented gameplay up front in the sequel, but generally, the game is purposely slow or “dull” as you may see it. I don’t see that changing.
 

Arsic

Loves his juicy stink trail scent
There seems to be a little more combat oriented gameplay up front in the sequel, but generally, the game is purposely slow or “dull” as you may see it. I don’t see that changing.
It’s really just an onboarding pacing issue for me. I’m fine with long dialogue heavy games like baldurs gate 3 or Witcher 3, but they get to their gameplay almost immediately before shifting tempo down.

If this doesn’t have the pacing and tempo swings than it isn’t for me.
 

Denton

Member
I guess DF wanted to hold off posting its preview video in favour of some random OG Xbox video. Cool.
Did they even get the key?
It’s really just an onboarding pacing issue for me. I’m fine with long dialogue heavy games like baldurs gate 3 or Witcher 3, but they get to their gameplay almost immediately before shifting tempo down.

If this doesn’t have the pacing and tempo swings than it isn’t for me.
Second game starts with big action flash forward sequence.

But first game starts with gameplay immediately too. It's just not combat gameplay, because you are a peasant who has to learn first. That's by design.
 

Tchu-Espresso

likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
Did they even get the key?

Second game starts with big action flash forward sequence.

But first game starts with gameplay immediately too. It's just not combat gameplay, because you are a peasant who has to learn first. That's by design.
I saw a screenshot of their resolution and frame rate metrics on reddit so I presume so.
 
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Metnut

Member
Question is whether I play at launch or wait 6-8 weeks until Patch ~1.2. If game isn’t buggy, then I’d love to play day 1.

The first one was a breath of fresh air and shows that games can try for historical accuracy and still be fun.
 

Golgo 13

The Man With The Golden Dong
I’m so fucking confused. Does this game have a gay sex scene that the developers lied about? If not, what’s going on here? I don’t get all the drama. Haven’t these guys spoken out about woke content before?
 

Gideon

Member
I’m so fucking confused. Does this game have a gay sex scene that the developers lied about? If not, what’s going on here? I don’t get all the drama. Haven’t these guys spoken out about woke content before?
Gay scene exists they never lied, but people were mad that it existed hence the "drama"
 
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It’s really just an onboarding pacing issue for me. I’m fine with long dialogue heavy games like baldurs gate 3 or Witcher 3, but they get to their gameplay almost immediately before shifting tempo down.

If this doesn’t have the pacing and tempo swings than it isn’t for me.
The First 15 hrs of a KCD game is to avoid combat as much as possible. It sounds boring, but you get so immersed in the world as you build up your peasant character, you don't even realize where the time went. Just surviving is hard. But it makes accomplishing small tasks feel really rewarding

KCD is easily the best immersive open world experience I have ever played. And based on all the previews, KCD2 doesn't compromise anything. It's a challenging game that won't be for everyone and that is what is great about it
 
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EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
And KCD2 has 100+ hours of content
KCD games have 100+ hours of handcrafted high quality content
KCD is easily the best immersive open world experience

ok seriously, I think you guys have to tell us about any sponsorships or brand deals for this company before posting lol They cutting you a check for this marketing?
I will do the same here, as I did the same with KCD1. But this is really an exemption. I am still debating with myself, if its even a clever move to announce DLC's BEFORE you release yr main game. Not only the devs can put themselves in a pretty awkward situation when there game isnt selling very well....but you also give potential buyers a very good reason to not buy immediately and rather wait for the complete game. The only good reason I see, is to attract more players to buy the "gold edition"...but not sure if thats worth it. 🤷‍♂️ And I mean that in general...not even specifically for KCD.

^ This.

Say it louder for the rest of the Warhorse marketing team in the comments here lol I find any team marketing DLC before a game's release in poor taste. To openly be showing worked on content that could be in the game before its release to nickel and dime consumers is rarely going to be seen as seen as some positive thing, well maybe for company that is getting paid (or some of the users getting paid by the company lol) This went from a day 1, to a maybe, to a nope for me.

The issue is they already release a shitty subpar product, we get it will have a bit of jank and that is fine, but you can't have that shit AND withhold content to sell back to consumers AND star talking shit to your own fucking base of consumers, its like...buddy, that fucking first game has too many issues to be this bold as to talk down to consumers this way as if this game is releasing solid.

So right now, we'll wait for that complete edition, gold edition etc, I'm not paying full price for some early access shit man.

If clearly they are not done, I can wait. Lots of solid games releasing this year by more trusted established teams, so I got to cancel that pre-order because of this.

They deserve that drop in Steam.

Wolves hunt in packs Wolves hunt in packs what I find is not the DLC existing as an issue, its merely that its worked on to this extreme degree PRIOR to the game's release. It means their focus was on selling post launch content that is already named, has footage, playable elements etc, that trailer feels in poor taste cause clearly they could have just started the DLC when this game was completed.


So lets say release it ending of this year with that content...THEN start that DLC after the release, to do it this way shows their intent was to withhold content to sell back at an additional price on something clearly that could have simply be put in the base game. So we'll wait till they are actually really done with the game as I don't have time to be playing no game twice cause DLC lol

I'll just buy it used next year and factor the DLC price into it so I'm paying less then full price for 100% of the content. They still get paid, I still get the full experience.
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
No, but I am considering finally putting your ass on ignore list. Your inane word salads waste too much time.
Lighten up, you cry too much over this weird stuff. lol

When what you are saying comes out like a whole PR marketing campaign for the game, I can't help but to point it out lol Its just a game man, none of this is that serious to be coping over how folks are reaching over it.

It will do just fine and I'm sure many will like it, as I liked the first title and will buy this one later next year.

Enjoy the game!
 

Luipadre

Member
I’m so fucking confused. Does this game have a gay sex scene that the developers lied about? If not, what’s going on here? I don’t get all the drama. Haven’t these guys spoken out about woke content before?

Game looks like its going to be amazing that builds on the first game, but everything is better, bigger and more polished, but oh no, there is an optional gay scene so wait a minute... This game FUCKING SUCKS, NONBUYNARY FOR ME

Basically this
 

GymWolf

Member
ok seriously, I think you guys have to tell us about any sponsorships or brand deals for this company before posting lol They cutting you a check for this marketing?


^ This.

Say it louder for the rest of the Warhorse marketing team in the comments here lol I find any team marketing DLC before a game's release in poor taste. To openly be showing worked on content that could be in the game before its release to nickel and dime consumers is rarely going to be seen as seen as some positive thing, well maybe for company that is getting paid (or some of the users getting paid by the company lol) This went from a day 1, to a maybe, to a nope for me.

The issue is they already release a shitty subpar product, we get it will have a bit of jank and that is fine, but you can't have that shit AND withhold content to sell back to consumers AND star talking shit to your own fucking base of consumers, its like...buddy, that fucking first game has too many issues to be this bold as to talk down to consumers this way as if this game is releasing solid.


So right now, we'll wait for that complete edition, gold edition etc, I'm not paying full price for some early access shit man.

If clearly they are not done, I can wait. Lots of solid games releasing this year by more trusted established teams, so I got to cancel that pre-order because of this.

They deserve that drop in Steam.

Wolves hunt in packs Wolves hunt in packs what I find is not the DLC existing as an issue, its merely that its worked on to this extreme degree PRIOR to the game's release. It means their focus was on selling post launch content that is already named, has footage, playable elements etc, that trailer feels in poor taste cause clearly they could have just started the DLC when this game was completed.


So lets say release it ending of this year with that content...THEN start that DLC after the release, to do it this way shows their intent was to withhold content to sell back at an additional price on something clearly that could have simply be put in the base game. So we'll wait till they are actually really done with the game as I don't have time to be playing no game twice cause DLC lol

I'll just buy it used next year and factor the DLC price into it so I'm paying less then full price for 100% of the content. They still get paid, I still get the full experience.
Do you have the same feelings about ac shadows that already showed a trailer of the next dlc and has jank for days?
 

pudel

Member
The issue is they already release a shitty subpar product, we get it will have a bit of jank and that is fine, but you can't have that shit AND withhold content to sell back to consumers AND star talking shit to your own fucking base of consumers, its like...buddy, that fucking first game has too many issues to be this bold as to talk down to consumers this way as if this game is releasing solid.

So right now, we'll wait for that complete edition, gold edition etc, I'm not paying full price for some early access shit man.

If clearly they are not done, I can wait. Lots of solid games releasing this year by more trusted established teams, so I got to cancel that pre-order because of this.
Nah mate...I think you are wrong here. I saw a stream beg November (so three months ago) where Warhorse clearly said....the game is FINISHED at this point already. All they did the last three months was basically bugfixing and polishing....and MAYBE already starting to work on the DLC's. I am pretty sure the game will come out in an nowadays unusual good quality for such a type of game. Thats also reflected by lots of previewers so far. I consider the DLC's indeed just as a fan service in this case. I am just not sure if its the smartest move to announce them before the release of the game and you are basically proving my point here with yr conclusions. :messenger_winking_tongue: On the other hand, if they wouldnt announce the DLC's before release....the whole "gold edition"/season pass stuff wouldnt make any sense suddenly....especially when Steam tightenend up recently their rules about sales of "future content" (which is a positive thing imho).
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
Do you have the same feelings about ac shadows that already showed a trailer of the next dlc and has jank for days?
lol difference is, I don't plan to ever 100% that game, have no plans for its DLC and we didn't get a years worth of trailers for their DLC or something lol

I enjoyed KCD enough that I'd rather wait for the full thing.


Nah mate...I think you are wrong here. I saw a stream beg November (so three months ago) where Warhorse clearly said....the game is FINISHED
lol sure bud, GymWolf GymWolf Ubisoft already "FINISHED" AC Shadows so its ok, Ubisoft and Warhorse would never lie, companies never do /s


I'll buy it next year when its actually completed and really finished. The new motto for EA and Ubisoft to do this should just be saying "bro, the game is ALREADY FINISHED, PLEASE BELIEVE US"

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I get they need to market the game, i just feel it would make sense to market this post release as this entire thing makes it feel like the delay was to just cut content or something. It means they had issues and part of their focus is making content to sell on top of the base game instead of fully just focusing on that title (i get those teams are separate that do the DLC most days, but I merely state the perception of how this is seen)

This isn't a day 1 for me anymore, but its not a day never lol
 
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Wolves hunt in packs Wolves hunt in packs what I find is not the DLC existing as an issue, its merely that its worked on to this extreme degree PRIOR to the game's release. It means their focus was on selling post launch content that is already named, has footage, playable elements etc, that trailer feels in poor taste cause clearly they could have just started the DLC when this game was completed.


So lets say release it ending of this year with that content...THEN start that DLC after the release, to do it this way shows their intent was to withhold content to sell back at an additional price on something clearly that could have simply be put in the base game. So we'll wait till they are actually really done with the game as I don't have time to be playing no game twice cause DLC lol

I'll just buy it used next year and factor the DLC price into it so I'm paying less then full price for 100% of the content. They still get paid, I still get the full experience.

I do agree but there's also positive about knowing the roadmap of the content, so you can choose if there will be something of interest.

If we go by KCD, then it won't be some mandatory story DLC that will continue the main plot, but rather some side stories, which can be very good, but you will live even without playing them, i'm tired of waiting untill all DLC released, so i try to ignore DLCs as much as i can, i still remember waiting for The Witcher 3 to release it's final expansion to start playing, pff i'm old and will play as soon as i have it on good price and then i will worry about DLCs.

But if you have the patience then getting the "complete" edition is by far the best option, pay less.. get all patches and extra content.. sure win. :)
 
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EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
Warhorse brought their release date forward. Ubi delayed their game. 🤷‍♂️

Anyway, we will see next week how "unfinished" or "finished" KCD2 will be. 😉
ummmm i'm talking about this delay lol

https://www.techradar.com/gaming/co...s delayed Kingdom,arrive on February 11, 2025.


I do agree but there's also so positive about knowing the roadmap of the content, so you can choose if there will be something of interest.

If we go by KCD, then it won't be some mandatory story DLC that will continue the main plot, but rather some side stories, which can be very good, but you will live even without playing them, i'm tired of waiting untill all DLC released, so i try to ignore DLCs as much as i can, i still remember waiting for The Witcher 3 to release it's final expansion to start playing, pff i'm old and will play as soon as i have it on good price and then i will worry about DLCs.

But if you have the patience then getting the "complete" edition is by far the best option, pay less.. get all patches and extra content.. sure win. :)

True. I like KCD enough that its a buy, but not enough for a day 1 with how busy my schedule is right now. I'm sure it will have a bit of jank and a few bugs at launch and I don't know if I like it enough to pay full price to go thru all of that when I may not even complete it this year due to a full busy semester of school, work and other projects I have. So its one of those things where I'd be more happy buying it next year with more time type of things.

Whats funny, watch me get it next year and not even end up getting any of the DLC lol

(I've done that before)
 
ummmm i'm talking about this delay lol

https://www.techradar.com/gaming/consoles-pc/kingdom-come-deliverance-2-has-been-delayed-until-2025#:~:text=Warhorse Studios has delayed Kingdom,arrive on February 11, 2025.




True. I like KCD enough that its a buy, but not enough for a day 1 with how busy my schedule is right now. I'm sure it will have a bit of jank and a few bugs at launch and I don't know if I like it enough to pay full price to go thru all of that when I may not even complete it this year due to a full busy semester of school, work and other projects I have. So its one of those things where I'd be more happy buying it next year with more time type of things.

Whats funny, watch me get it next year and not even end up getting any of the DLC lol

(I've done that before)

That's fair, i do it as well, didn't buy KCD DLCs, and will if they ever patch the first game.

Like i said.. in order to save i buy and play the base games nowdays, and later will replay if there's some interesting DLC, this removes the "pressure" of waiting for all content to release.. which can take several months or more, i really wanted to play AC Valhalla as a launch game for PS5 so i just bought it, and later on got the season pass for 20 bucks and it was worth it.
 

EDMIX

Writes a lot, says very little
That's fair, i do it as well, didn't buy KCD DLCs, and will if they ever patch the first game.

Like i said.. in order to save i buy and play the base games nowdays, and later will replay if there's some interesting DLC, this removes the "pressure" of waiting for all content to release.. which can take several months or more, i really wanted to play AC Valhalla as a launch game for PS5 so i just bought it, and later on got the season pass for 20 bucks and it was worth it.

I might end up doing the same, for all I know I might not even ever buy the DLC. I'll look to buy it sooner and just look for a season pass sale if it really moves me. I did that with AC Valhalla as well and I was about 40 hours in before I decided I wanted to play the DLC and waited for a sale like you.

I might just end up doing this with this game too as I don't even know if I'll like it like...ALL THE DLC like it lol

So maybe I am over exaggerating and it really is pressure of wanting 100% of everything, when most times theses days, I'm rarely actually 100%ing a game.

Will buy sooner then later
 

sloppyjoe_gamer

Gold Member
Im curious of improvements from the first to the second.

I tried for a few hours on the first and found it dull and just not in any way captivating. The premise sounds great, but I never got thrust into anything engaging.

Maybe the sequel can start with a little more combat and action before a slower tempo of lore and exposition.

Youll love the sequel, Henry will be getting thrusted regularly
 
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DeepEnigma

Gold Member
So Henry went from a raging masculine wanting to lay all the hot Bohemian babes from the very beginning of setting that tone by ogling Theresa's ass in the first game, to, "maybe I'll optionally like to try dick now?"

Okay, yeah. Totes not a current year injection. Totes!

It's not the inclusion that's the issue, it's the retconning it into the main protagonist. :rolleyes:
 
So Henry went from a raging masculine wanting to lay all the hot Bohemian babes from the very beginning of setting that tone by ogling Theresa's ass in the first game, to, "maybe I'll optionally like to try dick now?"

Okay, yeah. Totes not a current year injection. Totes!

It's not the inclusion that's the issue, it's the retconning it into the main protagonist. :rolleyes:
It is a weird change considering the devs past comments. With that said I'm like 20 hours deep into KCD1 and if 2 is just more of this but better then I'm all in.
 
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