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[vaibhavpisal]

I dunno, a $40 million budget leans more towards AAA to me, not AA. Right?

Control was made on a $35m budget and that's pretty much an AAA game.

So, what will you classify games costing 200-300 million?

AAAA?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It doesn't matter what impresses you or not. AA developers aren't reaching this scale.

Cool, and AAA ought to have much higher production value and finesse.

 

[adamsapple]

So, what will you classify games costing 200-300 million?

AAAA?

A Western AAA game

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Indiana Jones probably had lower budget than this. Same for Hellblade 2.

I presume they must be profitable as well?

 

[Xtib81]

But it's the scope and result of the product that decides not the money spent no?

AA games can exceed AAA games in quality but I think it's mainly based on budget.

 

[adamsapple]

But it's the scope and result of the product that decides not the money spent no?

In my opinion, AA or AAA is signified by the game's budget.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Indiana Jones probably had lower budget than this. Same for Hellblade 2.

I presume they must be profitable as well?

Yeah no lol

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Yeah what is then? What are your criteria? This game is more impressive than most of the shite that has been released by AAA studios lately.

AAA, to me, always meant 'blockbuster' games.

Kingdom Come, to me, is more like a great arthouse movie.

But like I said, if it's considered AAA, I'm fine with it. It's not important in any way.

 

[Emedan]

In my opinion, AA or AAA is signified by the game's budget.

So let's say two studios produced Skyrim, one for 50 million and the other for 200 million, only the 200 million version would be deemed a AAA game?

AAA, to me, always meant 'blockbuster' games.

Kingdom Come, to me, is more like a great arthouse movie.

But like I said, if it's considered AAA, I'm fine with it. It's not important in any way.

I think the sales alone deems it a blockbuster game then, It's selling just as good or better than most recent blockbusters no?

 

[adamsapple]

So let's say two studios produced Skyrim, one for 50 million and the other for 200 million, only the 200 million version would be deemed a AAA game?

They'll both be AAA.
Not all AAA have the same production values regardless of the budget.

 

[nemiroff]

Don't even remember what's in the Gold edition, just wanted to "max out" because I loved KCD.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I think the sales alone deems it a blockbuster game then, It's selling just as good or better than most recent blockbusters no?

Current sales would put it in the AA categorie, alongside titles like Astro and Stellar Blade.

But again, I'm fine with it being labeled AAA.

 

[MiguelItUp]

Always awesome to see when a team puts everything into the game. Happy for their success.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Can someone please explain how spider man 2 cost 300 million and this cost 40. I really don't understand.

 

[Denton]

Can someone please explain how spider man 2 cost 300 million and this cost 40. I really don't understand.

This seems crazy to me too, even taking into account lower salaries in Czechland (but they are not THAT low, Prague is most expensive city here and studio must offer competitive wages to prevent people from leaving).

 

[Shadowstar39]

Tbh, there's a big difference between Central European salaries and US West Coast salaries.

Solution , hire people in different states if in the US. Setup a game studio in Ohio , Pennsylvania, West Virgina, Florida, etc..

Why is all the studios setup in California or Maryland, New York, places with skyhigh wages. In PA our minium wage matches the federal. Cost of living is way lower than those places, so wages are lower. I am sure other states are similar. Setup shop there. Also other states are less woke.

ID software was from Texas, and other studios used to be all over, don't know why its now mostly the west coast. Back in the 1980s and 90s California and much of the West Coast was much more in line with sanity and not meccas of sky high prices. The silicon valley tech boom mixed with bad policy really fucked up the state of affairs over there. Throw in the woke movement and you are left with the mess we have now.

 

[Hookshot]

Meanwhile a truly great game like Lego Horizon can only manage between 3 and 11 players today.

 

[PeteBull]

Czechia is in Central, not Eastern Europe.

I know, same with poland where i live in, but for our western gaf-bros, anything behind former iron curtain(basically east of berlin) is eastern europe, so i simply didnt want to confuse them xD
Pr0 nickname btw, can tell imediatelly u are one of us

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Can someone please explain how spider man 2 cost 300 million and this cost 40. I really don't understand.

Spiderman is of higher quality and has higher production value.

Whether or not Spiderman is better is subjective.

Edit:

Plus marketing.

 

[Trilobit]

Bruh, where did you hear that? Stop listening to every clickbait article / video on the internet.

Isn't the Hans guy 15? Maybe he's older later in the game.

 

[StereoVsn]

Czechia is in Central, not Eastern Europe.

And wages while lower aren’t 4-5x lower, but still even if it’s “just” half (closer to 1/3 most likely) that’s a big chunk of change.

Add much cheaper office space rent, incidentals like Health Insurance and so on. Plus no need to have expensive DEI departments, much smaller HR, etc.

 

[Shifty1897]

I understand the Czech Republic is much more affordable to develop in than other places, but a 40 million dollar budget for a game of this caliber is pretty impressive.

 

[Alebrije]

Incredible how expensive are videogames to produce , 40 millions its a lot but also lets you deliver a game with high quality like KC2

Wonder where 300 millions game developers spend the money when you need 50 or less to deliver a good game.

 

[Emedan]

Isn't the Hans guy 15? Maybe he's older later in the game.

Age is not explicitly mentioned in the game. I think the real guy died in his very early 20s though

 

[Bradamante3D]

they achieved alot with only 40 million , mocap , voice acting , travels for terrain scanning etc.

Funny how just a few days ago we were told that AAA games are unsustainable, since they cost 200 ... 300 ... 400 ... 700 million dollars to make ...

Any yeah sure, KCD2 is not GTA6, but the important point is that your mother couldn't tell the difference in terms of production value.

 

[Senua]

Spiderman is of higher quality

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Got some ESG funds for adding gay. i kid i kid

 

[SimTourist]

Indiana Jones probably had lower budget than this. Same for Hellblade 2.

I presume they must be profitable as well?

No way, Indiana must be at least 100 mil, Hellblade maybe but it wasn't full price

 

[Jinxed]

40m eh? And the game is super fluid and optimized. I'm playing on ultra 1440p, everything maxed on a 6800xt and I've locked the fps to 60 and it never went lower than that

 

[samoilaaa]

Spiderman is of higher quality and has higher production value.

Whether or not Spiderman is better is subjective.

Edit:

Plus marketing.

i believe the only things that are better in spider man are texture quality ( but only is some area ) and facial animations

but dont forget that KCD 2 is an 60h+ game with non linear storyline , that means way more mocap and voice acting , me personally i dont like the game but they really knew how to spend the money , BG3 exceeded 100 million and has same amount of mocap and voice acting

spiderman's big budget comes from marketing and IP , if im not mistake ( you can correct if im wrong because i really dont rememeber ) the usage of the IP alone cost 100 million

 

[MMaRsu]

Is it true that you can romance a 15-year old boy in this game? Sounds very sketchy if true.

No.

Where did you hear such stupid shit?

 

[Viruz]

Congrats to the devs for the milestone and the game!

Is it true that you can romance a 15-year old boy in this game? Sounds very sketchy if true.

 

[SimTourist]

No.

Where did you hear such stupid shit?

To be fair in those days 15 years old is considered middle aged given the life expectancy

 

[FoxMcChief]

In my opinion, AA or AAA is signified by the game's budget.

Then Sony PlayStation’s Concord must have been AAAA.

 

[Trilobit]

No.

Where did you hear such stupid shit?

If it's set in 1403 and Hans is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn then that'd make him 15 in the game. But maybe there are time jumps in the game or Warhorse is just loosely basing it on Jan.

 

[RagnarokIV]

If it's set in 1403 and Hans is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn then that'd make him 15 in the game. But maybe there are time jumps in the game or Warhorse is just loosely basing it on Jan.

Ah so it's bollocks then.

 

[Emedan]

If it's set in 1403 and Hans is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn then that'd make him 15 in the game. But maybe there are time jumps in the game or Warhorse is just loosely basing it on Jan.

I think you have to set aside your prepositions on what a grown up are today. In the pre-modern era children as young as 4-5 years old was seen as not children but small adults. Having a 15-year old doing something as responsible, important and grown up as what they're doing in the game is absolutely in character for the time. If your listen to how people speak about Hans though you hear how they all think he's immature and so on, that's because he really is a teenager, so is Henry. But again, people "grew up" earlier back then. The sanctity of the child is something modern which came to be part of western culture only the past 100 years.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Indiana Jones probably had lower budget than this. Same for Hellblade 2.

I presume they must be profitable as well?

Hell no Indiana jones wasn’t lower budget

Maybe not even hellblade, that game was in development for ages

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Can someone please explain how spider man 2 cost 300 million and this cost 40. I really don't understand.

SM2 is developed in California, has higher marketing budget, and has IP related licensing costs. It’s also way more AAA in terms of production values

Not hard to understand

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

If it's set in 1403 and Hans is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn then that'd make him 15 in the game. But maybe there are time jumps in the game or Warhorse is just loosely basing it on Jan.

The girls henry banged in KC1 were probably minors as well. Don't really care. It's a different time

 

[GymWolf]

40 mil budget sound suspiciously low

 

[BennyBlanco]

Cool, and AAA ought to have much higher production value and finesse.

Here’s your 200M game, bro

 

[GymWolf]

Does it look like one?

The difference between AA and AAA graphic blurred in the past years, robocop look better than sp2 when you go down in the streets in both games, ue5 enabled indie\aa developers to rival AAA games.

Just look at expeditions 33.

 

[Emedan]

The difference between AA and AAA graphic blurred in the past years, robocop look better than sp2 when you go down in the streets in both games, ue5 enabled indie\aa developers to rival AAA games.

Just look at expeditions 33.

So then it's not an indicator. Concord is a AAA game but its shite right? I think KCD2 does more than most AAA releases the past 5 years.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Here’s your 200M game, bro

Take it up with the dev.

 

[GymWolf]

So then it's not an indicator. Concord is a AAA game but its shite right? I think KCD2 does more than most AAA releases the past 5 years.

I'm just talking about graphic here.

 

[mckmas8808]

Now, just imagine how much more they could have made if it was a live service game!

That's funny because that's literally what some western exec is thinking right now.

 

[Denton]

If it's set in 1403 and Hans is based on Jan Ptáček of Pirkštejn then that'd make him 15 in the game. But maybe there are time jumps in the game or Warhorse is just loosely basing it on Jan.

Obviously he is aged up in the games. They hired 23 year old actor (now 30) for a reason. Both Hans and Henry are supposed to be around 20, although exact age is not (intentionally) specified.

 

[GymWolf]

Probably the best RPG this year "only" cost 40M, proving (again) that you don't need to waste +100M to make great games, as the media and CEOs love to parrot.

How much did bg3 costed?

 

[GymWolf]

Nice, Zanger Bob!

I thought he was guy fieri when he was a kid.