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[Nathan_Drake]

Yep this is why I quit. For those of us that grinded the hell out of the game for 3 months, we just got kicked in the nuts. Too bad my copy is digital. They are making the worst decisions. It is almost comical at this point. Turn in my exotics and grind all over again? Yeah how about no.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

What a dumb article....but hey, opinions and such. Its been said before, but who didn't expect new or updated guns and armor with the DLC? And having Xur let you swap your shit is actually more than most games would let you do. A majority would just make you toss your old shit out. I can bash on Destiny for a lot, but for this "new" exotic system? Fuck no.

 

[xplicitone]

7k is actually a lot of glimmer. Since iron bounty they made each gear/gun almost HALF of your max. If they raised the cap AND gave you glimmer for bounties, it wouldn't be as big a grind as it is now. Problem solved.

 

[BuggyDClown]

So shouldnt it be expected that come the next c and another level cap boost we will have to do this yet again?

No way Im buying this for 20$ waiting until both are out so it feels like there is actually additional content and they put them both on sale.

 

[Abylim]

So shouldnt it be expected that come the next c and another level cap boost we will have to do this yet again?

No way Im buying this for 20$ waiting until both are out so it feels like there is actually additional content and they put them both on sale.

Pretty much why I sold my copy.

With most MMO's your gear is useful for awhile, knowing that this is happening again in 3 months pushed me over the edge.

 

[hydruxo]

The new raid is all that's keeping me going really. Probably going to take a break from Destiny for a good while soon.

 

[border]

What makes a weapon bad ass? It does shit all damage to level 6's.

Why would you judge how bad ass a weapon by the damage it does to a level 6 monster? The damage is capped for the aforementioned reasons. Even if it wasn't, a level 20 rifle would one shot a low-level monster exactly the same way a level 30 rifle does. How would you even know the difference? The Bethesda RPGs have had enemies that scale to your level for a decade now, I'm not sure why steamrolling helpless Lvl6 mobs is essential to anyoe's sense of progression.

You can tell a weapon is badass by the damage it does to enemies that are actually your level. When your new auto rifle instantly rips through the shields of a Minotaur that used to take an entire clip just to lower the shields, you know it's badass. The perks help immensely as well -- when you never have to find ammo for your shotgun because it generates it's own ammo, that's pretty badass. Performance at endgame is what you judge by, not performance in content you are over-leveled for.

 

[patchday]

Man was hoping by the time I am done playing DA:I this game would have some fixes. But since I've been gone they've introduced this stupid patch where everyone's progression is tied to Xur, made all previous content useless (including the the prior raid), etc. This si coming from someone with maxed characters (all level 30s)

Game is full of grind at every turn. which just pisses me off because the base game is fun. I enjoy Crucible. I may come back in in a few weeks to play the base Crucible content but no way am I supporting the dumb DLCs til they make major changes and stop being dicks to their community that paid for the game

 

[rokkerkory]

500m and yearsss to make and yet so broken smh bungie

 

[patchday]

Hmm I'm surprised at the anger and backlash from gag over the update. I actually enjoy it very much. It gives me a reason to come in and do daily bounties to level up new guns. It gives me a reason to use my glimmer that has been doing nothing. Maybe I really enjoy it because I always have a group of friends to play with and Crota was a cakewalk.


Edit: in the article he said glimmer is an issue... I completely disagree. It is very easy to hit glimmer cap in about an hour or so.

Wish people would stop saying this stuff. It's not true for everyone. People that mainly Crucible (pvp) make bout what- only 240 every match lol. Crucible players are so poor.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Man was hoping by the time I am done playing DA:I this game would have some fixes. But since I've been gone they've introduced this stupid patch where everyone's progression is tied to Xur, made all previous content useless (including the the prior raid), etc. This si coming from someone with maxed characters (all level 30s)

Game is full of grind at every turn. which just pisses me off because the base game is fun. I enjoy Crucible. I may come back in in a few weeks to play the base Crucible content but no way am I supporting the dumb DLCs til they make major changes and stop being dicks to their community that paid for the game

Progress isn't tied to Xur at all. This all affects old players who bought the DLC---doesn't really have much impact, if any, to new players. Also, grinding is what this game is all about. And most MMOs in general.

 

[bsod]

I booted up Destiny again in a long time just to see what Xur had to offer for my Titan. The exotic gauntlets apparently expansion only.

 

[Abylim]

Why would you judge how bad ass a weapon by the damage it does to a level 6 monster? The damage is capped for the aforementioned reasons. Even if it wasn't, a level 20 rifle would one shot a low-level monster exactly the same way a level 30 rifle does. How would you even know the difference? The Bethesda RPGs have had enemies that scale to your level for a decade now, I'm not sure why steamrolling helpless Lvl6 mobs is essential to anyoe's sense of progression.

You can tell a weapon is badass by the damage it does to enemies that are actually your level. When your new auto rifle instantly rips through the shields of a Minotaur that used to take an entire clip just to lower the shields, you know it's badass. The perks help immensely as well -- when you never have to find ammo for your shotgun because it generates it's own ammo, that's pretty badass. Performance at endgame is what you judge by, not performance in content you are over-leveled for.

So my weapon is bad ass because it seemingly does more damage to end game level monsters? Doesnt every end game level weapon do exactly that?

"Ripping through shields?" So elemental based guns being used on appropriate mobs, yeah, thats badass man!

I bet the new shiny exotics do no more damage to VOG or earlier monsters than the old guns do, but we need em to do piddly damage to the Crota's End guys!

 

[Orca]

The glimmer requirement wouldn't be so bad if not for the stupid and utterly arbitrary glimmer cap.

 

[border]

So my weapon is bad ass because it seemingly does more damage to end game level monsters? Doesnt every end game level weapon do exactly that?

There's a reason that some endgame weapons are way more coveted than others. For damage, utility, and effectiveness. There's a reason people still run VoG in search of Gjallahorn, Vision of Confluence, Vex Mythoclast, Hawkmoon, Fatebringer, etc.

Ripping through shields?" So elemental based guns being used on appropriate mobs, yeah, thats badass man!

Well yes, primary weapons with elemental damage are incredible. Some of the rarest and the most useful in the game. They are definitely badass, and noticeably so.

 

[Etnos]

The entire design of Destiny is so transparently built around artificially lengthening playtime, and everything in the expansion only reinforces that.

shamefully obvious

 

[darkwing]

This only speaks to the exotics, but what about the legendary weapons? Have the raid weapons now become completely outclassed? Weapons such as the VoC and Fatebringer. I refuse to give Bungie any more of my time money so I don't know, but is there any way to take those weapons passed 300 damage? Its astounding to me they would add loot to a raid that only exists to help you in that raid tier. It really shows the core replay philosophy that plagues this game which is so short on content.

VoG stuff can't be upgraded, only exotics

 

[LastGamer84]

Progress isn't tied to Xur at all. This all affects old players who bought the DLC---doesn't really have much impact, if any, to new players. Also, grinding is what this game is all about. And most MMOs in general.

No point in arguing with people who can't handle the grinding, they just change the goal posts to find something new to complain about. Either Destiny is an FPS and it shouldn't have grinding, or it's an MMO with no content. There's no way it could be a hybrid or a different type of game in their minds.

For those complaining about the glimmer...user the glimmer items. Upgraded 2 exotics today, already back up to over 20k glimmer. The only reason I didn't hit the cap was that damn Eris bounty forcing me to use heavy weapon packs to get void kills.

 

[charpunk]

This whole thing is a shame really. Some friends and I had a lot of fun with this game for a few weeks, but have zero desire to ever play it again since playing this expansion. The three story missions being almost all recycled content was disappointing. The new strike is the worst one so far, and barely can be considered one. The first expansion is a joke, and this new upgrade system just makes the grinding even more tedious.

Having to farm for glimmer, then either have strange coins or an extra exotic to dismantle, as well as Xur even having the item you want to upgrade is a joke. On top of that, you lose all of upgrades on the item. So even more grinding for glimmer and mats to upgrade.

For what? A single raid (first one is no longer worth doing due to the new gear), and run the nightfall each week? Plus rather than streamline the amount of currencies in the game, they added a few more. The whole thing is just so poorly handed.

 

[Boombloxer]

There's more than 3 story missions.

 

[border]

There's more than 3 story missions.

Yeah, the mission at the end of the Eris Urn quest line is easily the best mission in the game. It sucks that you can't repeat it

 

[garginator850]

Lmao only thing good about destiny is the shooting

 

[Card Boy]

The actual gunplay. Everything else around it...nope.

and the music is good, but yep the game is a disaster on so many levels i got a massive list i have posted in previous Destiny threads.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I love Destiny, but I'm pretty close to being through with the game. The new DLC is an absolute mess. I spent many months playing the VoG regularly, having a blast....only for that gear to be worthless on day 1 of this new DLC.

I was expecting that getting to level 30 would mean that you'd be well equipped for the normal raid, which would then allow you to get gear for the hard raid.

What's worse is that they originally claimed the normal raid would be level 28, but now it moved and you have level 32 enemies. The new raid is much smaller, requires less coordination, and is mostly about attacking lots of enemies at once. It's weak compared to the VoG, and you pretty much need to level up to 31 (by grinding out enough marks to buy new legendary gear).

Adding insult to injury, all the weapons I maxed out now need to be leveled up again. I'd be fine if it was just a new node, but nope....grind out the entire fucking thing again, and my legendary raid weapons will become useless since they can't be upgraded.

Talk about a clusterfuck of time wasting nonsense. The meat of the game / DLC is doing the weekly raids, nightfalls, and strikes. But the game just added layer upon layer of grinding out bounties and collecting all sorts of currencies that it has made it a frustrating experience just trying to play the raid/weeklies every week.

I'm absolutely through with doing the same stupid bounties ad-naueseum to level a piece of armor that will just become irrelevant by the time the next DLC comes around. There was a much more intelligent way to address these expansions for more casual players, and Bungie completely fucked the pooch on that one.

So I think I'm done, as much as I love Destiny. And perhaps that's a good thing, because I have a huge backlog that I really should be playing instead at this point.

 

[Melchiah]

I haven't played the game since Dragon Age was released, but decided to check the gear situation last night, and I was shocked by the changes eventhough I had read about them. I had collected 200 vanguard marks and 27 strange coins for the new DLC, and now I'd have to spend 14 strange coins to get the exotics I already have, and I can't use the vanguard marks as almost all the gear is now locked behind vanguard commendation point. Not to mention, that I have only 380 glimmer, so I'd need 13,620 for the exotics I already have. Then to grind from the beginning to max them again. So, most of the grinding I did for the DLC was for nothing. On top of all that, the weekly strikes are not available for those, who haven't bought the DLC. I'm so done with this, and it's beyond me why many of my friends, including most of my clan, have bought the DLC, and still keep playing the game. Fuck this shit.

 

[border]

I can't use the vanguard marks as almost all the gear is now locked behind vanguard commendation point.

Two pieces of gear need a commendation mark. Two of them do not. You get gloves free for doing the new questline.

 

[Melchiah]

Two pieces of gear need a commendation mark. Two of them do not. You get gloves free for doing the new questline.

All the Vanguard legendary weapons, and half of the armor were locked behind commendation marks. I have no idea of the Crucible vendors, as I don't play PVP.

EDIT: I was planning to buy a legendary machine gun, when the inventories were updated, but no can do without commendation marks.

 

[MastaKilla]

I watched that video on YouTube about why Destiny may be addictive like slot machines. It's pretty crazy to me that Bungie is so clearly and devoutly going for this type of game were you have to grind so aimlessly hoping for a lucky reward at the end. How the hell did they go from Halo to this shit?

 

[benjammin]

What a dumb article....but hey, opinions and such. Its been said before, but who didn't expect new or updated guns and armor with the DLC? And having Xur let you swap your shit is actually more than most games would let you do. A majority would just make you toss your old shit out. I can bash on Destiny for a lot, but for this "new" exotic system? Fuck no.

They could have simply added an extra set of nodes. Instead they required RNG for xur to carry the updates for the exotics you want to update, strange coins or unwanted exotics to acquire exotic shards, and hours upon hours to upgrade guns that you already spent hours upon hours upgrading. It's lengthening the grind simply for the sake of lengthening the grind, and it's a kick in the balls to everyone who spent the first 3 months playing the game. In fact, the more you played and the more gear that you upgraded, the more you got screwed over. It's simply poor game design.

And to top it off, everyone will get to do it all over again when the next expansion is released.

 

[Diablohead]

Yeah you can cap your glimmer in an hour or two if you go out of your way, farm a quest using glimmar boosters and keep dieing to restart a check point, such fun! wow.

You get gloves free for doing the new questline.

Only if you bought the DLC, a lot of us are playing without it and we have lost a lot of things we can do or earn.

I'm still so sour about vanguard tiger not having engram rewards any longer and nightfall and weekly/daily stuff being locked behind DLC when it was there since day one for everyone, the DLC should have had it's own section of the map for nightfall.

 

[border]

All the Vanguard legendary weapons, and half of the armor were locked behind commendation marks. I have no idea of the Crucible vendors, as I don't play PVP.

EDIT: I was planning to buy a legendary machine gun, when the inventories were updated, but no can do without commendation marks.

All the weapons seem like they're not really worth it to me. A full mark for a marginal damage upgrade with no really interesting perks. I'm pretty satisfied with the weapons that game has just been throwing at me when I level a faction or get an engram drop.

 

[jred2k]

All the Vanguard legendary weapons, and half of the armor were locked behind commendation marks. I have no idea of the Crucible vendors, as I don't play PVP.

EDIT: I was planning to buy a legendary machine gun, when the inventories were updated, but no can do without commendation marks.

I find it really shitty that they didn't at least throw long-time players a bit of a bone and reward commendations for past ranks achieved. If I had just ranked up a vendor the day before this updated system I'd be really pissed. It's incredible how stubborn Bungie has been about showing appreciation for the people that have stuck with them.

 

[Waylon Drums]

Two pieces of gear need a commendation mark. Two of them do not. You get gloves free for doing the new questline.

I never got gloves...

 

[LastGamer84]

I never got gloves...

There's more to the questline. If you didn't have to melee five cursed thralls without dying you didn't do it.

 

[Waylon Drums]

There's more to the questline. If you didn't have to melee five cursed thralls without dying you didn't do it.

Ahhhhh, I'm on that now. I cannot kill the fuckers without them killing me.

Incidentally, I was randomly given Murmur at the end of one of the new story quests...was that not an everyone thing?

 

[LastGamer84]

Ahhhhh, I'm on that now. I cannot kill the fuckers without them killing me.

Incidentally, I was randomly given Murmur at the end of one of the new story quests...was that not an everyone thing?

I think Mumur is for everyone doing the story missions. As far as the cursed thralls go there's an easy way to do it. Do "The World's Grave" mission on level 10. There are two thralls down a tunnel towards the middle of the mission. Knife one, recharge, knife another. Go to orbit. Come back. Rinse repeat.

 

[Ninjician]

It's completely optional and is only introduced due to the rarity of exotic drops in the game.

Bungie is giving you the OPTION to upgrade your current Exotics and trade them in, rather than roll the dice and earn a new weapon during gameplay.

OH FOR SHAME.

The Legendary drops also go up the 331 Damage and Legendary gear also goes up to 33 Light, so you don't even need the Exotic stuff unless you're trying to hit Level 32, which won't even be available until January.

So much complaining over a concept you guys don't even understand. The new Exotics START at 302 Damage, meaning even if you had a MAXED out Exotic, the new one is better, and won't use ANY Ascendant Energy to level up.

Just did SUROS and IceBreaker last night. I'm loving the new content, especially the PvP maps.

 

[border]

Ahhhhh, I'm on that now. I cannot kill the fuckers without them killing me.

Incidentally, I was randomly given Murmur at the end of one of the new story quests...was that not an everyone thing?

If you punch a single Thrall at 100% health it won't kill you. If you set off a chain reaction with another one nearby though you are toast.

Everyone got Murmur. I like it a lot since it's one less type of fusion rifle I have to carry.

 

[LastGamer84]

It's completely optional and is only introduced due to the rarity of exotic drops in the game.

Bungie is giving you the OPTION to upgrade your current Exotics and trade them in, rather than roll the dice and earn a new weapon during gameplay.

OH FOR SHAME.

The Legendary drops also go up the 331 Damage and Legendary gear also goes up to 33 Light, so you don't even need the Exotic stuff unless you're trying to hit Level 32, which won't even be available until January.

So much complaining over a concept you guys don't even understand. The new Exotics START at 302 Damage, meaning even if you had a MAXED out Exotic, the new one is better, and won't use ANY Ascendant Energy to level up.

Just did SUROS and IceBreaker last night. I'm loving the new content, especially the PvP maps.

People just like to bitch.

 

[Melchiah]

All the weapons seem like they're not really worth it to me. A full mark for a marginal damage upgrade with no really interesting perks. I'm pretty satisfied with the weapons that game has just been throwing at me when I level a faction or get an engram drop.

Perhaps, but I was missing a legendary machine gun. I postponed buying it for the DLC and the inventory update, and I can't now buy it without the commendation mark.

I find it really shitty that they didn't at least throw long-time players a bit of a bone and reward commendations for past ranks achieved. If I had just ranked up a vendor the day before this updated system I'd be really pissed. It's incredible how stubborn Bungie has been about showing appreciation for the people that have stuck with them.

Yeah, it annoys me, that I'm above level 3 with the Vanguard vendors, and now I need to grind for some new obstacle that has been but between me and the gear.

 

[Waylon Drums]

I think Mumur is for everyone doing the story missions. As far as the cursed thralls go there's an easy way to do it. Do "The World's Grave" mission on level 10. There are two thralls down a tunnel towards the middle of the mission. Knife one, recharge, knife another. Go to orbit. Come back. Rinse repeat.

This is the shit that drives me crazy with this game. Later on today I'll be starting and stopping and starting a mission to get through a pain in the ass bounty.

 

[border]

This is the shit that drives me crazy with this game. Later on today I'll be starting and stopping and starting a mission to get through a pain in the ass bounty.

The DLC mission on the moon has tons of Cursed Thralls for you to punch, if you don't want to cheese your way through it.

 

[Fitts]

This is the shit that drives me crazy with this game. Later on today I'll be starting and stopping and starting a mission to get through a pain in the ass bounty.

I found an easy way to do the cursed thralls melee portion.

Spoiler

Go to the new DLC mission on the moon. There's a part some ways in that has multiple waves of cursed thralls. Since you're not given credit for the melee kill but rather picking up an item that drops when they're killed via melee, just keep hitting them while moving/jumping backwards. Sometimes you'll die, sometimes you won't. Either way, DON'T PICK UP THE ITEM THAT'S DROPPED! Instead, just keep respawning until there are five on the ground that you can pick up at one time. (they'll stay there after a death) Voila -- bounty done in a few minutes.

I'm loving the new content, especially the PvP maps.

I'd love to enjoy the new PvP maps, but Crucible is so terribly broken right now. I rolled a bunch of Rumble and a bunch of Control last night and guess what? Half of those playing were rolling Vex Mythoclast. Bungie claims they don't want there to be "one solution" to PvP and that the Suros is overpowered, yet it buffs a gun to be (exceedingly) more powerful than the Suros and far ahead of the pack. Worse yet, this gun isn't available to dedicated PvPers. It's a PvE-only drop. Absolute nonsense.

 

[LastGamer84]

I found an easy way to do the cursed thralls melee portion.

Spoiler

Go to the new DLC mission on the moon. There's a part some ways in that has multiple waves of cursed thralls. Since you're not given credit for the melee kill but rather picking up an item that drops when they're killed via melee, just keep hitting them while moving/jumping backwards. Sometimes you'll die, sometimes you won't. Either way, DON'T PICK UP THE ITEM THAT'S DROPPED! Instead, just keep respawning until there are five on the ground that you can pick up at one time. (they'll stay there after a death) Voila -- bounty done in a few minutes

This also works, just beware the blink strike if you're playing a hunter, it lunges you forward so yo sometimes pick up the item. That's why I cheesed it.

 

[Twilight Gap]

I'd love to enjoy the new PvP maps, but Crucible is so terribly broken right now. I rolled a bunch of Rumble and a bunch of Control last night and guess what? Half of those playing were rolling Vex Mythoclast. Bungie claims they don't want there to be "one solution" to PvP and that the Suros is overpowered, yet it buffs a gun to be (exceedingly) more powerful than the Suros and far ahead of the pack. Worse yet, this gun isn't available to dedicated PvPers. It's a PvE-only drop. Absolute nonsense.

it's funny how they knee-jerk nerfed it due to complaints, and then it takes forever to "fix" it. now that it's fixed, it's barely any different than it was before. the complaints this time will unfortunately fly under the radar.

 

[Frenden]

it's funny how they knee-jerk nerfed it due to complaints, and then it takes forever to "fix" it. now that it's fixed, it's barely any different than it was before. the complaints this time will unfortunately fly under the radar.

That ought to make the next Iron Banner "fun."

 

[Tengrave]

I am thankful the Ice Breaker was on Xurs list this weekend. Broke now after all the upgrades. Still a strange system.

 

[IonicSnake]

Any good reputation Bungie had with me is gone now thanks to this game. They have a lot to prove with their next game if they want me to consider it.

 

[Caja 117]

It's completely optional and is only introduced due to the rarity of exotic drops in the game.

Bungie is giving you the OPTION to upgrade your current Exotics and trade them in, rather than roll the dice and earn a new weapon during gameplay.

OH FOR SHAME.

The Legendary drops also go up the 331 Damage and Legendary gear also goes up to 33 Light, so you don't even need the Exotic stuff unless you're trying to hit Level 32, which won't even be available until January.

So much complaining over a concept you guys don't even understand. The new Exotics START at 302 Damage, meaning even if you had a MAXED out Exotic, the new one is better, and won't use ANY Ascendant Energy to level up.

Just did SUROS and IceBreaker last night. I'm loving the new content, especially the PvP maps.

This is what I dont get why people are complaining, the new exotics base level is the same level as that same exotic Maxed out, so I dont see the problem with a game which concept is built around leveling up.

 

[Iorv3th]

I'd love to enjoy the new PvP maps, but Crucible is so terribly broken right now. I rolled a bunch of Rumble and a bunch of Control last night and guess what? Half of those playing were rolling Vex Mythoclast. Bungie claims they don't want there to be "one solution" to PvP and that the Suros is overpowered, yet it buffs a gun to be (exceedingly) more powerful than the Suros and far ahead of the pack. Worse yet, this gun isn't available to dedicated PvPers. It's a PvE-only drop. Absolute nonsense.

Another thing that really bothers me is the map rotation is terrible. I played about 10 games the other night and only played the two maps on the moon. Didn't even see the third map.

Not only that but they are for whatever reason taking maps out of playlists in control and moving them to only be in clash etc. There aren't that many maps in the damn game and they can't just leave them all in rotation? I don't understand why they would only have 3 in rotation at a time.