The Artisan
Member
but iterative consoles being the future, is the reality. that they got right. right?
fuck. shit, fuck.Appears so.
i hate this so much...
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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i hate this so much...
I....hope they are wrong. But with this rumored thing being more likely as time goes on, I wouldn't be surprised if this stupid move becomes the standard, more so considering Microsoft has this in mind for the Xbox Brand too.
......E3 really has to impress or explain this stuff in a lot of detail, because I'm honestly considering leaving the console side of gaming if all of this is true.
My mindset is this right now; if the NX fails to impress and does not get the Sonic Anniversary game, I'm out of gaming as a whole and will just stick with my Vita & 2DS + my large PS3 backlog.
Don't have the money to spend on pointless yearly/bi-yearly consoles and can better put my money into more important means (bills, tests for college, helping out at home, ect).
The Artisan
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same...except, for me, because i'm strictly a console gamer, I might just give it all up and have to find another hobby. and redefine myself, because i've been a gamer almost all my life.
if this turns out to be true, i'm just gonna be like...why the fuck do I have this Ps4? if there's gonna be a more powerful Ps4? ugh. and that's how it's gonna be from now on. fuck that shit.
and if that's what the majority of people wants, well, they're going to get what they want. but i'm out.
Hawk269
Member
But you are not being forced to upgrade. Your ps4 games will still work future ps4 games will still work but if you have the ps4k they may run and look better. You are not being forced to upgrade.
I just don't understand the logic that because there is a better version of something that came out 2 plus years ago that it means what you bought is no longer a viable item when an improved version comes out.
I'm a console gamer to, got consoles since the Nintendo GameCube back in 2003.
Just....hate this move toward a new console every three years when they could just push one to its limit.
The rational side of me thinks the PS4.5/4K is for VR and it might need the extra hardware.....but I don't care about VR. I just want a console that can play the games I want.
Sony is finally having a line up I want to get and I start having plans to get the system + save money for it.....then this stupid rumor gets wind and becomes more solid.
Like I said before, if the NX doesn't impress and does not have Sonic Anniversary, I'm out of gaming as a whole. Still have my Vita and 2DS (plus PS3 backlog and access to older games with my laptop (2000-2005/6 games), so I will still game
. Just not on consoles.I feel this keeps going in circles and circles......
If a stronger device is out, the original device will just be the baseline they 'have' to ensure works/runs.
We could have a situation where Uncharted 5 runs at 20FPS on PS4 OG while PS4K runs at a much higher frame rate (60fps). That is not FAIR to the original console user, as they have to play more money for the stronger experience.
We already already see issues with this idea with the commonly used iPhone example; some games 'run' on older devices but they run like crap. Lets look at Sonic 4 Episode II for example
. I tried the demo on my moms iPhone 4S and my sisters iPhone 5; the former run very badly while the latter was a lot smoother. Slow running game for a platformer is really damn horrid, so it makes the game unplayable for many.
THAT is what will happen with home consoles if bi-yearly upgrades happen.
But again, that's what people want, consoles becoming closed off PC's without the practical use that PC's offer.
If anything Microsoft will do this thing better, as the Xbox might as well become a more simple Windows computer (as its going to support Windows 10 apps in the future).
Hate this idea and if it takes off and is real, I'm out of console gaming.
Why? you lose nothing they are just using the extra compute & so on to up-render the same PS4 games that's 1080P now to 4K for the people who own 4K TVs .
But reports as also stating that it will be much stronger, so games can have significant differences performance wise. That is a major issue that Sony will have to adress when this thing is officially announced.
The Artisan
Member
I'm becoming the consumer with the weaker current gen hardware just by owning an original Ps4. I don't want there to be multiple versions of the same goddamn console to own, I want it to be the one and only.
sounds like your spirit is higher than mine in this instance, because like I said...I might end up giving up this hobby as a whole once the shit hits the fan.I'm a console gamer to, got consoles since the Nintendo GameCube back in 2003.
Just....hate this move toward a new console every three years when they could just push one to its limit.
The rational side of me thinks the PS4.5/4K is for VR and it might need the extra hardware.....but I don't care about VR. I just want a console that can play the games I want.
Sony is finally having a line up I want to get and I start having plans to get the system + save money for it.....then this stupid rumor gets wind and becomes more solid.
Like I said before, if the NX doesn't impress and does not have Sonic Anniversary, I'm out of gaming as a whole. Still have my Vita and 2DS (plus PS3 backlog and access to older games with my laptop (2000-2005/6 games), so I will still game
I lose faith in what (console) gaming has meant to me. Not trying to be corny or superfluous but that's really what it is. Fuck, if I knew that this iterative shit was going to be this way from the start I wouldn't have even bought this Ps4 I would've waited till the best one came out. And when would that be? One year before the Ps5 comes out? Oh wait a minute, there's gonna be a Ps5+ the year after Ps5 comes out?
When the fuck am I supposed to jump in? Fuck it all. Damn it all to hell yo...But if this is what the majority wants, then fine. You're getting what you want.
Not going to let this stupid thing kick me out of gaming completely but still, I understand if you leave gaming if this stuff pans out badly.
The Artisan
Member
yeah, these threads have been buzzing for a while but I think iirc most people who have been against this idea, said that they're going to go full on PC gaming if that's the case. and if that's the case, more power to ya. since we're kinda on the same side about all this. except in this regard I am not as patient and indulgent.
I'm sorry this stupid rumor/upcoming system killed gaming for you buddy
.Keep that hope though, as maybe we will hear more about this at E3
. That is when I will REALLY rip Sony a new one if this thing is real and its what I'm fearing it is.The Artisan
Member
lmao!I'm sorry this stupid rumor/upcoming system killed gaming for you buddy
Keep that hope though, as maybe we will hear more about this at E3
it's all good, bruh...I'll always be fascinated by video games though so even if I don't have it in my life anymore, it'll always be something I'll be interested in seeing develop, and evolve, especially console gaming, even if I don't like the way it is evolving/developing :\
E3 is going to be great this year if this rumor is true; every good thing Sony might announced (Crash Returns, ect) will be moot if the PS4K is a PS5 in everything but name; will have some strong thoughts on the subject and might consider scrapping my plans for the Jak and Daxter, Crash Bandicoot and Sly Cooper Retrospectives I want to be covering (and I'm having a great time covering Sonic and looking forward to covering Ratchet).
Neuromancer
Member
Artisan, let's wait until all the facts are in before anyone gets upset. I think there there are parts of this story that don't make a whole lot of sense and there is a serious lack of specifics. Whatever this thing is, my guess is the Kotaku guys got some of it right and some of it wrong.
I hope that when all the facts are in the open, everything I'm fearing the PS4K is, will be wrong.
The Artisan
Member
as far as I'm concern this generation has been going great already. bloodborne although I couldn't get into it I did try it, I did enjoy cod ghosts in the beginning, i loved rocket league, i am loving digimon story cyber sleuth and i am sure i'll love Uc4 in a few weeks.
so e3 will continue to ice up this 8th gen cake, meaning this gen will continue to just get better and better, and...whoa I just realized you're gonna do a thread reviewing every r&c game?
yeah, perhaps it's too early to get too upset. i assume now though that we won't get the full story out of this until e3. which is fine, there's plenty of other things to occupy our minds till then.
Yep
. Going to be making a retrospective on the Ratchet series starting next week!
Got an on-going Sonic Retrospective that only has a few games left to cover
.The Artisan
Member
that's dope man. i never could get into ratchet & clank but i've always had my eyes on it, has been an interestYep
Going to be making a retrospective on the Ratchet series starting next week!
Got an on-going Sonic Retrospective that only has a few games left to cover
exmachina64
Banned
Okay? I've been pro-incremental updates across these threads.
It's just my personal preference at this point. If Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo successfully transition to incremental updates every three years, I don't really want to hear about the person three years from now who will buy a PS4 and get pissed off that no PS5 games are going to run on it.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
This is how I feel. I've had a PS4 since launch. There have been some droughts and I don't care about most indie games, with some exceptions. Finally Ratchet, UC4, and the JRPG's are coming in a flood this year, but this nonsense is happening too.
I like real generational leaps, not incremental upgrades. Huge leaps every 4-8 years (gens varied a lot) were the best part of buying a new box, which you would install in your entertainment centre and not move for years.
Hawk269
Member
I feel this keeps going in circles and circles......
If a stronger device is out, the original device will just be the baseline they 'have' to ensure works/runs.
We could have a situation where Uncharted 5 runs at 20FPS on PS4 OG while PS4K runs at a much higher frame rate (60fps). That is not FAIR to the original console user, as they have to play more money for the stronger experience.
We already already see issues with this idea with the commonly used iPhone example; some games 'run' on older devices but they run like crap. Lets look at Sonic 4 Episode II for example
I tried the demo on my moms iPhone 4S and my sisters iPhone 5; the former run very badly while the latter was a lot smoother. Slow running game for a platformer is really damn horrid, so it makes the game unplayable for many.
THAT is what will happen with home consoles if bi-yearly upgrades happen.
But again, that's what people want, consoles becoming closed off PC's without the practical use that PC's offer.
If anything Microsoft will do this thing better, as the Xbox might as well become a more simple Windows computer (as its going to support Windows 10 apps in the future).
Hate this idea and if it takes off and is real, I'm out of console gaming.
I doubt that Sony would allow games to run at 20fps as you suggest on the baseline PS4, but you never know. I think the reason I am more for this is that the PS4 and Xbox One came out as underpowered systems, especially the CPU in both units and a far more extent the Xbox One GPU. But even the superior PS4, it still is not that great. I am not saying that games look like shit, I think a lot of games look really good, but because both MS and Sony wanted to be profitable at the get go and/or close after launch they both went with lower end parts. The PS4 and Xbox One are not as future proof (imho) as the 360/PS3 were, especially the 360 which rivaled and outclassed high end PC systems at launch.
I just think in this day and age and the increase in consumer awareness and understanding of technology, that a move to 3 year upgrade cycles would work. I do understand the concern that the base model would potentially suffer from not as much optimization, but do we really know how much optimization is going on now? Are devs really pushing things to the limit on consoles? We don't know. I think if both MS and Sony mandates that games will have to have some basic framerate milestones and such that this can be something that can work.
We will have to wait and see how this all works out and if they actually do come out. We have not heard anything from Sony, it has been only MS with Phil Spencer's comments that has been on record that something may happen. It is going to be really interesting.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Watching you stand in a store trying to decide what TV to buy must be an agonising experience!
I mean, you can always find reasons not to buy electronics because a new one won't be far away. It's all about you, when you feel it's necessary to upgrade and whether you think it's worth it. Some people will buy on a 5-6 year cycle, some will trade in and buy every new revision. Finding your place on that scale probably won't be as hard as you think.
Hawk269
Member
Yeah, I don't get the people crying that if they knew they would of waited for the better version. You can apply that to any fucking consumer product. Cars are released yearly, with each version being better than the previous, Telivisions same thing, Blenders same thing, fucking even toasters get better with newer versions.
People stating they would of not bought the PS4 if they knew a better one was coming, well I think it just a fucking joke. For those that bought a PS4 at launch, is your experience playing games for the last 29 months been invalidated or something? Did your experience playing launch games 29months ago all of a sudden come rushing back into your memory as being a bad experience?
Every consumer device has better iterations that come out. You can play the waiting game all you want, but just because a better version of something comes out does not devalue what you bought already and have enjoyed. I say, play your PS4 and when you feel you need to upgrade, then do it then.
The Artisan
Member
cut the crap, man. buying a tv is not the same thing as buying a video game console and you know it.
the problem is you keep comparing buying a console to buying a phone or buying a car. based on my and other people's reactions, consumer behavior and perception to buying a console AIN'T THE SAME as buying any of those other things! there is a reason that for over 20 years, purchasing consoles did not becoming a yearly, incremental thing, so welcoming such a thing into a consumer's perception won't make them all happy.
I want to have that feel of need to upgrade when the generation ends, not during the goddamn generation.
The model makes sense, if you look at the average age of a hardcore gamer these days - 35 was it? Most of the demographic is well established or working, having enough income to buy a new upgrade every 3 years. Being enthusiasts, they're willing to save or allocate the budget for it.
That didn't happen way back when, when we were all kids living off our parents' earnings. Be that as it may, I don't think this incremental model, or to drop all pretenses, this shift to a niche market appeal, will work out for them longterm. PC and mobile gaming will dwarf consoles even more, and consoles will eventually fade into irrelevance as a relic of the X/Y generations. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly eat the crow in ~10 years.
As for the 4.5, I won't be getting it (my budget went to PSVR), but I'm curious to see just what this thing does - and whether it signals a change of business models or is just a one-off venture.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Even if it is real doesn't mean this will become the norm.
Sony has legitimate reasons to do this and that is to push 4K into more peoples homes as they have other divisions that need 4K available to make bank.
Namely TVs, movies and services. I'm hoping the only difference between the consoles will be resolution so instead of having
720p -> 1080p
We'll have
720p -> 1080p -> 4K
The added power will be just to provide more stability in the majority of exclusives so those that are aleady trying to hit 30fps or 60fps will reach those targets easier.
I can see VR exclusives though as it is dependent on a steady framerate but that will hopefully be where it ends.
If that is it then I have no issues with it.
Sony has legitimate reasons to do this and that is to push 4K into more peoples homes as they have other divisions that need 4K available to make bank.
Namely TVs, movies and services. I'm hoping the only difference between the consoles will be resolution so instead of having
720p -> 1080p
We'll have
720p -> 1080p -> 4K
The added power will be just to provide more stability in the majority of exclusives so those that are aleady trying to hit 30fps or 60fps will reach those targets easier.
I can see VR exclusives though as it is dependent on a steady framerate but that will hopefully be where it ends.
If that is it then I have no issues with it.
It's strictly the same thing, tv play videos, consoles play games. Except you don't HAVE to buy new tv models to play some part of the catalogue. There is only one major industry that is a mess : it's the video game industry thanks to it generation model that split your entire catalogue of games into 5 to 6 consoles. Wich is straight dumb.
I don't get the crying for the sake of it. Raise your voice against despicable practice like abusive dlc, split content or lack of interoperability and other thing that hold back the medium, do not raise your voice against progress. The generation model need to die, it's a thing of the past and a bad thing overall.
The Artisan
Member
it most certainly is not the same thing. i'm not someone who buys a phone every year, nor do I care that phones come out every year. i'm not someone who buys a new tv every year, nor do I care that tvs come out every year. i'm not someone who buys a video game console every year, nor do I want to invest in that hardware if said hardware is going to be rendered obsolete within the same video game generation. it's different, it just is, and I don't like it. if you don't mind it, good for you, no disrespect. but i don't.
BC isn't limited strictly to a short-cycle iterative model. People are concerned about more frequent console releases ~3 years, they're not in favor of creating a different architecture for each new system. Iterative in itself is not the problem.
They don't have to address the fact that new hardware made to push 4K work better than old hardware that was made for 1080P. it's logic
Not to be a dick but I really laughed at this lol we haven't had traditional consoles since Gamecube I think & even back when consoles was just for games they never said they had to stay the same & they have always added stuff as technology got better.
Look at this picture & you will see 2 big changes 1 they got a Sega CD that was also a portable CD player & 2nd they got the 6 button controller. the fact that the later consoles got the 6 buttons should be a way bigger deal than the fact that the games have a higher resolution for the people that buy the new console.
You say that you could buy the new controller & CD add-on I say you can buy the new console or be happy with what you have people didn't die because some people had 6 buttons & Sega CD games.
Also this is a much better hand than what was dealt to the people who bought the Gamecube because when they ungraded the Gamecube into the Wii you couldn't continue to play the new games on the old console you had to get a new one.
People who bought the PS1 later got Analog sticks & rumble , people who got the Xbox later got a decent controller , people who got the Xbox 360 later got HDMI,Wifi . people who bought PS3 later got controllers with rumble.
When did you develop this outlook of what a console is supposed to do & how it had to stay the same?
Even PS3 ,Xbox 360 & Wii had games you couldn't play unless you bought the add-ons.
At least in this situation you still get to play the same games even if you don't buy anything new. If you're worried about other people getting more than you on the console you have you should be more upset about PSVR because it's getting PS4 games that you can't even play at all but you're upset that people with 4K TVs & PS4.5 are getting a higher resolution than your PS4?
OfTheOverflow
Member
Jeez, whole lotta over-reacting happening in here. It's my understanding that this is simply a version of the PS4 that's capable of running games at 4K, no? If it were to significantly improve performance, especially in competitive games, that would be a different issue I think.
They don't have to address the fact that new hardware made to push 4K work better than old hardware that was made for 1080P. it's logic
Not to be a dick but I really laughed at this lol we haven't had traditional consoles since Gamecube I think & even back when consoles was just for games they never said they had to stay the same & they have always added stuff as technology got better.
Look at this picture & you will see 2 big changes 1 they got a Sega CD that was also a portable CD player & 2nd they got the 6 button controller. the fact that the later consoles got the 6 buttons should be a way bigger deal than the fact that the games have a higher resolution for the people that buy the new console.
You say that you could buy the new controller & CD add-on I say you can buy the new console or be happy with what you have people didn't die because some people had 6 buttons & Sega CD games.
Also this is a much better hand than what was dealt to the people who bought the Gamecube because when they ungraded the Gamecube into the Wii you couldn't continue to play the new games on the old console you had to get a new one.
People who bought the PS1 later got Analog sticks & rumble , people who got the Xbox later got a decent controller , people who got the Xbox 360 later got HDMI,Wifi . people who bought PS3 later got controllers with rumble.
When did you develop this outlook of what a console is supposed to do & how it had to stay the same?
Even PS3 ,Xbox 360 & Wii had games you couldn't play unless you bought the add-ons.
At least in this situation you still get to play the same games even if you don't buy anything new. If you're worried about other people getting more than you on the console you have you should be more upset about PSVR because it's getting PS4 games that you can't even play at all but you're upset that people with 4K TVs & PS4.5 are getting a higher resolution than your PS4?
Thanks, exactly what I wanted to say. Good job.
How is it obsolete when it's still playing the same games as the 4K model?
The issue is with the upgraded specs difference, not peripherals/an HDMI port. Wifi was a pretty big upgrade, but then again, a wired connection will always be better.
They don't have to address the fact that new hardware made to push 4K work better than old hardware that was made for 1080P. it's logic
Not to be a dick but I really laughed at this lol we haven't had traditional consoles since Gamecube I think & even back when consoles was just for games they never said they had to stay the same & they have always added stuff as technology got better.
Look at this picture & you will see 2 big changes 1 they got a Sega CD that was also a portable CD player & 2nd they got the 6 button controller. the fact that the later consoles got the 6 buttons should be a way bigger deal than the fact that the games have a higher resolution for the people that buy the new console.
You say that you could buy the new controller & CD add-on I say you can buy the new console or be happy with what you have people didn't die because some people had 6 buttons & Sega CD games.
Also this is a much better hand than what was dealt to the people who bought the Gamecube because when they ungraded the Gamecube into the Wii you couldn't continue to play the new games on the old console you had to get a new one.
People who bought the PS1 later got Analog sticks & rumble , people who got the Xbox later got a decent controller , people who got the Xbox 360 later got HDMI,Wifi . people who bought PS3 later got controllers with rumble.
When did you develop this outlook of what a console is supposed to do & how it had to stay the same?
Even PS3 ,Xbox 360 & Wii had games you couldn't play unless you bought the add-ons.
At least in this situation you still get to play the same games even if you don't buy anything new. If you're worried about other people getting more than you on the console you have you should be more upset about PSVR because it's getting PS4 games that you can't even play at all but you're upset that people with 4K TVs & PS4.5 are getting a higher resolution than your PS4?
I'd love upgrading to a PS4.5 if the price happened to be in the same ballpark as buying a DS3...
I'm pretty sure people have always hated mandatory add-ons that aren't some radical new gimmick thing. Buying PS Move controllers to play PS Move games was logical. Buying Motion Plus controllers to play Skyward Sword was annoying.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Yea, people don't seem to get this.
If you have no intention of getting a 4K TV in the near future then this new console will do nothing for you anyway aside from maybe steadying the framerates.
But by the logic of the person I was responding to you bought that PS3 believing that the controller that came with it was the only controller you needed & you don't want other people who bought their console later making your console experience inferior to their's.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
Honestly, as a mid range PC gamer, i'm not at all concerned. So long as all ps4's can play ps4 games, with acceptable resolution and framerates, i'm good.
I don't have a 4k tv, and it's probably not in the cards till around the ps5 hits anyways, so the ps4k would have to offer something amazing to get me to invest in it. But I have no problems with it existing, unless we start seeing ps4k only games en mass.
I don't have a 4k tv, and it's probably not in the cards till around the ps5 hits anyways, so the ps4k would have to offer something amazing to get me to invest in it. But I have no problems with it existing, unless we start seeing ps4k only games en mass.
The Artisan
Member
They don't have to address the fact that new hardware made to push 4K work better than old hardware that was made for 1080P. it's logic
Not to be a dick but I really laughed at this lol we haven't had traditional consoles since Gamecube I think & even back when consoles was just for games they never said they had to stay the same & they have always added stuff as technology got better.
Look at this picture & you will see 2 big changes 1 they got a Sega CD that was also a portable CD player & 2nd they got the 6 button controller. the fact that the later consoles got the 6 buttons should be a way bigger deal than the fact that the games have a higher resolution for the people that buy the new console.
You say that you could buy the new controller & CD add-on I say you can buy the new console or be happy with what you have people didn't die because some people had 6 buttons & Sega CD games.
Also this is a much better hand than what was dealt to the people who bought the Gamecube because when they ungraded the Gamecube into the Wii you couldn't continue to play the new games on the old console you had to get a new one.
People who bought the PS1 later got Analog sticks & rumble , people who got the Xbox later got a decent controller , people who got the Xbox 360 later got HDMI,Wifi . people who bought PS3 later got controllers with rumble.
When did you develop this outlook of what a console is supposed to do & how it had to stay the same?
Even PS3 ,Xbox 360 & Wii had games you couldn't play unless you bought the add-ons.
At least in this situation you still get to play the same games even if you don't buy anything new. If you're worried about other people getting more than you on the console you have you should be more upset about PSVR because it's getting PS4 games that you can't even play at all but you're upset that people with 4K TVs & PS4.5 are getting a higher resolution than your PS4?
I don't have time to read all that right now but hopefully this explanation can make matters clearer:
One of the reasons I'm not into PC gaming is because, it is of my understanding that new hardware and parts come out 2-3 years which could cost $100 to upgrade each time...if I were a PC gamer I would always want the best possible options on me, which would mean upgrading 2-3 years and spending $100 that often just on hardware. I don't want to do that! That's just me! If others do that or if they do it differently then rock the way you wanna rock it but it doesn't float my boat!
Now with console gaming I never have to have that thought of upgrading 2-3 years to have the best possible tech on my platform of choice (PlayStation). Now that's coming to console gaming! The same shit that makes PC gaming go round! Now (in theory) there's going to be new hardware, of the SAME generation coming out every 2-3 years in which to have the best possible tech I'll have to spend more money, more often! I don't want to do that! If that's what console gaming is going to become, I'm giving it up.
And that's my decision, it shouldn't affect you, nor your opinion of me, honestly...Because I've said this several times, if other people can rock this, good for them. No disrespect. But I'm not about this
I don't even think that the PS4K needs to be a continual upgrade route, it could seriously just be Sony creating a 4K media hub to compete with Panasonic and Samsung. People have accused Sony of allowing their corporate structure to get in the way of their products properly integrating with each other in the past and they were absolutely correct. So, instead of having a bunch of different Sony brand 4K blu ray players that nobody buys and the PS4 which isn't fully 4K capable, they can just have one cohesive product with a huge amount of R&D and support behind it.
The biggest proof to me of the PS4K is that Sony haven't announced a 4K Blu Ray player yet. Sony should have done that by now and I'm fairly certain that Panasonic and Samsung are currently the only companies with players on the market.
Personally, I want a 4K blu ray player since I spent almost 3 grand (£) on a TV and have yet to get any content that really showcases it's capabilities (Netflix doesn't really count, it's barely as good as 1080p bluray and people spending 4K money are picky). The current 4K Blu Ray players (which aren't even announced for the UK yet) would probably release at about £275. That isn't that much less than a PS4, so I mean, I'd be willing to pay a bit more if it meant getting an upgraded PS4, especially if they upgraded the storage to like 4TB and added HDR support.
Also, 4K TV owners are whales, it makes sense to target us.
The biggest proof to me of the PS4K is that Sony haven't announced a 4K Blu Ray player yet. Sony should have done that by now and I'm fairly certain that Panasonic and Samsung are currently the only companies with players on the market.
Personally, I want a 4K blu ray player since I spent almost 3 grand (£) on a TV and have yet to get any content that really showcases it's capabilities (Netflix doesn't really count, it's barely as good as 1080p bluray and people spending 4K money are picky). The current 4K Blu Ray players (which aren't even announced for the UK yet) would probably release at about £275. That isn't that much less than a PS4, so I mean, I'd be willing to pay a bit more if it meant getting an upgraded PS4, especially if they upgraded the storage to like 4TB and added HDR support.
Also, 4K TV owners are whales, it makes sense to target us.
I've never even considered the controller as being part of the Console Package because conveniently you can just go buy the new controller when it comes out. Most people eventually buy second controllers whether or not they have new features so this controller upgrade doesn't even change their buying plans, there's nothing annoying about it at all. The PS4.5 coming does disrupt your buying plans because you immediately desire the better performance, but it's not the PS5 so it's annoying to even think about.
I prefer to call you blimps.
GamerMax73
Member
GamerMax73
Member
No, That's turning consoles into premium products. Around 180m consoles (MS/Sony) were sold last gen. Only 45m have been sold so far this gen. Accepting a number of multiple purchases, there are still a lot of gamers on last gen waiting for a price reduction model.
Replacing PS4 entirely with PS4.5 and releasing a new console every 3 years, fixing a price point of $400, is bad for consumers. I don't think the market will hold that kind of model.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Stop being so confrontational, and sense the obvious lightheartedness of that particular comment. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you and your short fuse?
Console generations are going to change. Gone are the days when a console would be an affordable way to get high-end gaming hardware that holds up well for years on end. These things are going to be dated in far shorter periods of time, and with the oh-so evident demand for better graphics, there's little choice but to release on a shorter cycle. Incremental upgrades prevent older revisions becoming immediately irrelevant and unable to play new games, so it's a better solution than short generations for those that don't want to upgrade very often.
You should probably become less married to the idea of fixed 'generations' of consoles, especially since MS & Sony moved to x86 architectures which allow for this kind of incremental build model.
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With the current ps4, can you just swap out the hdd with the new ps4k model, as in take ps4 hdd out, remove new hdd in ps4k, then put in old ps4 hdd in it?
Or do you have to back up and restore ( which takes hours)
Or do you have to back up and restore ( which takes hours)