Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4

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ironcreed said:
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"Rage faces" are fucking embarrassing to see someone post.

Also, laughing at the dude getting literally offended over video games. Wow.
 
Much as with Frostbite 3, (hell, even CE3) this is about business and ROI, not hardware. People should be focusing on the projections of opportunity cost in this thread, not hardware power.
 
Blades64 said:
Nintendo bring it HARD this E3.
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The only way they can "bring it hard" is with unprecedented 3rd party support or a ton of new interesting IPs. Saying "Hey look, a new 3D Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc..." is great for the hardcore fans but that won't amount to much for the long-term viability of the platform.
 
If the Wii U was a mobile phone, it still wouldn't get unreal engine 4.

Western Third parties don't like Nintendo and I have a feeling it's because of Reggie.
 
Hero of Legend said:
Honestly, I'd be fucking contempt with full-on JP support and said support actually making it over here, you can keep your western games, but JP doesn't seem to be as graphics-focused as western companies, only thing is, WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!

Most would say 3DS, which is fine, but I'm waiting on real JP support, we had 2 JP-localized western games announced in the past day (Rabbids Land and F1 All Stars, da fuck), but the real JP support is non-existent. Even multiplats from PS3 would be fine, Dark Souls 2, Armored Core 5, Lightning Returns, smaller companies like say Atelier games (if allowed, I hear they're using Sony's engine, so that's won't happen then), Nippon Ichi games, you name it, Wii U's getting nada!

What is possibly going through Iwata's head right now? I remember how gung-ho they were about the 3DS' 3rd-Party support from the get-go at E3 2010. Namco Bandai, Tecmo Koei, and Capcom are the JP devs shelling out ANYTHING, ALL of which are ports...

Nintendo is in MORE than dire need to come up front and announce JP support, because they need a miracle at this point, I'm a believer in their 1st-party output, who isn't, but even Wii had more support at this point.

You said there's a Wii U 3rd Party Direct coming Iwata, well, WHERE IS IT?!
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Honestly, I don't think the Wii or Wii U's success was ever going to be with third party support. It's a machine that is specifically targeted at a different crowd. On one hand it uses a "gimmick" (I'm growing to dislike this word) to attract a mass crowd, and on the other it relies on its hardcore followers who come for first party games.

If Nintendo was putting forth any real effort on first party titles, the Wii U would be attractive. The truth is that Nintendo just doesn't seem to feel the necessity to actually supply content. They've skated by with a release here and there, and people have been willing to wait. I think Nintendo has become complacent.

If they're just incapable of putting out more titles, then they should have used some of the money they made to expand. The concept of a Nintendo box is valid, but not when it's doing a half-assed job of that then it's got nothing left.

What exactly has Nintendo been doing with all of their time and money that they couldn't have had a console version of Starfox ready to showcase the Wii U's tablet controls? Why don't they want to make a real console Pokemon game? Why is a Yoshi skin on Kirby's Epic Yarn all they have to show?
 
As someone who loves Nintendo games, this is so depressing to watch unfold. The facepalms of this console 'launch' just keep coming.

If I had bought WiiU at launch, the deafening silence of Nintendo on upcoming support and perception of their new hardware would be pissing me off.
 
Phoenician_Viking said:
This is the reason of why most third party developers and publishers don´t support Nintendo platforms.
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To be fair, 3rd parties have played a pert in developing that, with subpar ports of their games that are missing features in comparison to their counterparts or were released well after their release on other systems.

That's something that's been happening all the way back to the GameCube days.

Nintendo is at fault for that too, but lets keep everything equal.
 
Fuck. Wow, straight up laughter.


I...have nothing.


First console to be nearly zero third party support?


Man oh man. Nintendo had better be burning the midnight oil on HD game development with all the new studios they've created...right? They DID prepare for this....RIGHT?!?
 
Yea, the fact that Rein killed the floor instead of getting stone cold silence over what would be under normal circumstances relationship killing words speaks to how dire the Wii U situation is a thousand times more the lack of UE 4.
 
It's okay, their internal studios are good enough to provide consistent visual greatness with artistry (SMG as an example) w/o the aid of some third party middleware. I was told people buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games and so no big loss here at all.
 
BY2K said:
That's great and all (seriously, that game is gonna be amazing) but did you ever hear about a console getting laughed at by a full audience of devs? Even the Vita didn't get that.
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It's almost as good as the time he asked how many people owned Gamecubes and several people raised their hand

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news271005epicmanrants said:
The vice president of Epic Games, the studio behind Unreal Tournament, Unreal Engine 3 and forthcoming Xbox 360 title Gears of War, has unleashed a stinging attack on the Nintendo Revolution "freestyle" controller.

Speaking at the IGN Live event, Mark Rein told the audience: "Don't kid yourself - you're going to see more gimmicky, crappy, cheap, I-wish-I-hadn't-bought-it gimmick games based around that controller than you can ever possibly imagine.

"I guarantee you there's going to be lots of people who say the whole reason for this game is this controller, we made the perfect game for the controller. And all it'll be is about the controller, and not necessarily a great game."

That said, he went on, "Nintendo, you know, is going to make amazing games. I mean that's a given." Rein then conducted a quick audience survey to find out how many people present owned a GameCube - and seemed a bit disappointed by the rather large number of hands raised.

So he asked everyone who didn't also own a PS2 or Xbox to put their hands down - and concluded that under ten per cent of the audience were Cube owners only.

"Hard to make a business on less than 10 per cent," Rein said.

When asked if he could envisage an FPS controller that might beat the old mouse and keyboard combo, Rein replied: "I could, but it's not the Nintendo Revolution controller... Didn't you see when Iwata-san held it up? The two controllers are the little wand controller and the other one is a joystick - and it's a joystick with a bunch of ribs under it.

"Remember the one that nearly destroyed your thumb on the Dreamcast, and on the N64 remember how after you played a game for a couple of hours you had to suck your thumb for a month? It's that kind of controller."

Another developer on the panel argued that the Revolution controller would indeed suit FPS games perfectly, but Rein was having none of it. Holding up an Xbox 360 pad, to whoops and cheers from the audience, he proclaimed: "This is the Xbox 360 controller, and there's nothing wrong with it.

"It works just fine for playing games, and it works fine for first-person shooter games, as evidenced by the fact that they sold more first-person shooters on consoles than anybody's ever sold on PCs."

Rein wouldn't be drawn on which next-generation console he preferred, telling the crowd: "Both of the next-generation consoles are great machines. They both have lots of power and they both have lots of memory... I don't think anybody's going to be disappointed with either of them."

By "either" and "both", he's referring to the Xbox 360 and PS3 of course - Rein said the Revolution didn't count since "most developers know nothing about the Nintendo system. They haven't gone and announced specs so I can't say.

"If you read the rumours apparently it's a great machine, but nobody really knows yet."

But as powerful as the PS3 may be, Rein is no fan of its controller, either - at least as far as the prototype's concerned.

"I don't think anybody knows what the PlayStation 3 controller looks like," he said.

"I think we all sure as hell pray like hell it's not that stupid-looking thing they showed at E3."

Not content with having taken a pop at both Nintendo and Sony's controllers, Rein also took the opportunity to have a go at his biggest rivals - who he claims are being far too grandiose when it comes to developing next-gen games.

"I've heard EA and Activision make absolutely ridiculous statements about, 'Oh, it's going to take 30 million dollars to make a game and we need 300 people - that's just a bunch of bullsh--.

"They're just covering up for their own management and incompetence. Or mismanagement I should say.

"Our team size is only about 50 per cent higher than it was last generation, and we're making fantastic games. Gears of War is only about 25 people, and that's smaller than most current-generation game teams."

You can watch the video of the event, during which some other people whose names we didn't catch did try to get a word in edgeways, over at IGN. Gears of War is due out on Xbox 360 some time in 2007, and while it might get a PS3 port we wouldn't hold your breath for a Revolution version.
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He's probably very integral to Unreal development but his reasoning can be very sophomoric.
 
To me as a consumer, this just further validates my opinion to skip on the Wii U and relegate the console to the same secondary tier as N64, GC and Wii were, aka it is the console you buy years later, pick up 4-6 top Nintendo games and call it a day.

That is a shame, because i did not grow up with Nintendo being "secondary" in anything, i grew up when they were the centerpiece of the entire console industry with the NES and SNES. Those days are obviously nothing but mere memory for some of us who lived it.

Sucks, but majority of publishers already have their hands full of making games for next gen consoles + PC and possibly expanding into the mobile market. That is enough to worry about, if they were to cut someone or ignore it, it would obviously be the Wii U.

"People buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games"

Yeah, no. There was a time they bought a Nintendo console for the third party games as well, i bought my SNES to play Street Fighter 2 and MK first, and then maybe playing Super Mario World.
 
kinggroin said:
Fuck. Wow, straight up laughter.


I...have nothing.


First console to be nearly zero third party support?


Man oh man. Nintendo had better be burning the midnight oil on HD game development with all the new studios they've created...right? They DID prepare for this....RIGHT?!?
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they do have $$$ from the Wii sales
 
Shadow Hog said:
First off, they have a remarkable amount of money behind them, and the Wii U is still technically profitable (so long as everyone buys at least one game, which is likely given that's kind of the main point of a games console), so I sincerely doubt they will never release a console again.

Second off, if they have any sense, they won't wait five-to-six years to make another console.
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People buying 1 console and 1 game isnt going to fund R&D on a new console.

And do you have any idea how long the R&D and manufacturing process on consoles takes? Sony put their team together on the PS4 in 2007. If Nintendo decided to scrap the Wii U today and start work on another console it would probably take 3 years minimum to get the new console out. Do you think Nintendo is doing that right now?
 
StevieP said:
Much as with Frostbite 3, (hell, even CE3) this is about business and ROI, not hardware. People should be focusing on the projections of opportunity cost in this thread, not hardware power.
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Precisely. You know it's gonna work out well for Ubisoft. :) once Wii U starts rolling along they'll be the ones up to speed.
 
Interesting fact: The original wii didn't support UE3, nor CryEngine, nor xxx engine .

They said they weren't aiming for next-gen graphics I don't see why this is a surprise.
 
Keep laughing it up, chums. Mark Rein has 5 more years, tops. And this has nothing to do with Nintendo either way.

Way to presume I'm salty (or at least way to presume why I'm salty) though.
 
Blades64 said:
Nintendo bring it HARD this E3.
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nintendo fans will be glad for the games they see. there will be only one major announcement, and it'll be a game we know is coming- retro's thing (we just don't know what it is). we'll also see footage of the wind waker, yarn yoshi, x, and especially mario kart, mario, and smash bros. for wii u owners, nintendo will have won e3. for everyone else, it'll be valve and the steambox because it will have beyond good & evil 2, half-life 3, the last guardian, and mirror's edge 2 at launch for only $299.99 plus tax.

stuminus3 said:
Keep laughing it up, chums. Mark Rein has 5 more years, tops. And this has nothing to do with Nintendo either way.

Way to presume I'm salty (or at least way to presume why I'm salty) though.
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is that when the foxdie in his system kicks in?
 
Coolwhip said:
Did I say anything of the above? Nope. My 'salty' post was a response to a bunch of cocky manchildren collectively laughing at a piece a hardware.
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they're not laughing just at the hardware. they're laughing at:
1) the notion that nintendo's systems are ever going to get quality third party support, when they haven't ever since the super nes
2) the idea that there's a market for third party games on nintendo's systems. people buy nintendo's videogames for nintendo's games. see 1)
3) the fact that manchildren like you are so attached to nintendo, to the point where you deny yourself actual games and get mad at developers when they making the right choice

but hey, at least you got mario and zelda. i mean, you don't want more games anyway. you got a life outside videogames right
 
AzaK said:
Well given UE4 could scale for mobile and toasters, what you say us disingenuous at best, trolling at worst.
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Look at what Rein said.

"But our goal for Unreal Engine 4 console-wise is next-gen consoles. That's really what our energies are focused on."

Nintendo had their chance to join Epic's vision. They didn't. Their labour can be better spent elsewhere.
 
Dave Meltzer said:
That's a valid argument. Personally I think anybody who has been newly exposed to those franchises is noto the kind of person who's going to buy a console just to play a new version. Time will tell.
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Indeed. I guess looking at the 3DS version sales might give us some idea but even that won't give us the full picture.
 
stuminus3 said:
Does the next Mario or Zelda run on Unreal Engine 4?

Oh wait.

Mark Rein is a cock and the manbabies that hang off his nuts aren't worth my time.
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So much salt... it's Nintendo's fault and Nintendo's fault alone that Epic doesn't consider their platform viable. Mark Rein isn't doing this because he has a long-standing grudge, he's doing it because Nintendo are insignificant to his business.
 
I find it funny when people call it the Gamecube 2.0 or the N64 2.0.

Wii U owners should cry tears of joy if the console gets the kind of support either of those two consoles had by the time it's all over and done with.
 
With no Frostbite and no UE4, the Wii U is basically dead for 3rd party Western Support...

And most likely destined to a third place finish in the next generation console sales in the US and Europe. Just my predicition.
 
Green Biker Dude said:
they're not laughing just at the hardware. they're laughing at:
1) the notion that nintendo's systems are ever going to get quality third party support, when they haven't ever since the super nes
2) the idea that there's a market for third party games on nintendo's systems. people buy nintendo's videogames for nintendo's games. see 1)
3) the fact that manchildren like you are so attached to nintendo, to the point where you deny yourself actual games and get mad at developers when they making the right choice

but hey, at least you got mario and zelda. i mean, you don't want more games anyway. you got a life outside videogames right
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Was this really necessary?
 
Keslord said:
"Rage faces" are fucking embarrassing to see someone post.

Also, laughing at the dude getting literally offended over video games. Wow.
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Embarrassing? Just having a laugh, man. Lighten up. I may even buy a Wii U one day once it accumulates enough games that I find interesting.
 
Hero of Legend said:
Honestly, I'd be fucking contempt with full-on JP support and said support actually making it over here, you can keep your western games, but JP doesn't seem to be as graphics-focused as western companies, only thing is, WHERE ARE THE GAMES?!

Most would say 3DS, which is fine, but I'm waiting on real JP support, we had 2 JP-localized western games announced in the past day (Rabbids Land and F1 All Stars, da fuck), but the real JP support is non-existent. Even multiplats from PS3 would be fine, Dark Souls 2, Armored Core 5, Lightning Returns, smaller companies like say Atelier games (if allowed, I hear they're using Sony's engine, so that won't happen then), Nippon Ichi games, you name it, Wii U's getting nada!

What is possibly going through Iwata's head right now? I remember how gung-ho they were about the 3DS' 3rd-Party support from the get-go at E3 2010. Namco Bandai, Tecmo Koei, and Capcom are the JP devs shelling out ANYTHING, ALL of which are ports...

Nintendo is in MORE than dire need to come up front and announce JP support, because they need a miracle at this point, I'm a believer in their 1st-party output, who isn't, but even Wii had more support at this point.

You said there's a Wii U 3rd Party Direct coming Iwata, well, WHERE IS IT?!
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I'm not even sure if Iwata is aware of a lot of these western AAA games.

As for JP support, in my opinion it's already not looking extremely great. What upcoming console games do Japanese publishers have coming out anyway? The one big one I can think of -- MGSV, already doesn't have a Wii U version.
 
metalslimer said:
I would laugh if it wasnt so damn pathetic. The Wiiu is like the industry joke at this point
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At the end the joke will be on the industry, cause if the Wii U don't replicate the Wii success (and we all know it won't), and the PS4/XBOX have a hard time to achieve PS360 numbers, hard times will come for everybody in the game...
 
stuminus3 said:
Keep laughing it up, chums. Mark Rein has 5 more years, tops. And this has nothing to do with Nintendo either way.

Way to presume I'm salty (or at least way to presume why I'm salty) though.
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Calm down, step outside for a while. No need to call anybody a chum in here.
 
These companies do not view Nintendo as legitimate business partner. They are actively destroying Nintendo and Nintendo as a company needs to do something about, or else they won't be around much longer.

I think at this point it should be Nintendo's mission to pretty much retaliate. You can't let companies smear your companies reputation so openly.
 
Green Biker Dude said:
they're not laughing just at the hardware. they're laughing at:
1) the notion that nintendo's systems are ever going to get quality third party support, when they haven't ever since the super nes
2) the idea that there's a market for third party games on nintendo's systems. people buy nintendo's videogames for nintendo's games. see 1)
3) the fact that manchildren like you are so attached to nintendo, to the point where you deny yourself actual games and get mad at developers when they making the right choice

but hey, at least you got mario and zelda. i mean, you don't want more games anyway. you got a life outside videogames right
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I had too lol :)

This thread is great.
 
maabus1999 said:
With no Frostbite and no UE4, the Wii U is basically dead for 3rd party Western Support...

And most likely destined to a third place finish in the next generation console sales in the US and Europe. Just my predicition.
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right now it's selling worse than the gamecube. if things start going well for the system, it could sell 20-25m in five years. in that time, nintendo would basically need to keep its head down and just focus on squeezing as much profit out of the machine as possible. they're not going to turn it around into an even decent success like the snes was.
 
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