Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4

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Yeah I agree with that first idea. Release a console that's more powerful as a stop gap between the other two. Seems like Nintendo doesn't want to do that, which is pretty dumb.

Nintendo could still do it, but they'd probably need to hand the reigns to someone like Cerny to make it happen.
 
people calling the Wii a fluke? come on son

It was a fluke in the sense that that audience, the one that made Wii a huge fad, the one that made Mario kart and NSMB into massive, 20
Million+ sellers, are not coming back. They latched onto the next trend they saw on Pinterest or Rachel Ray. We all have friends, family and coworkers who were big into Wii 5 years ago, had Wii parties, had their living room littered with plastic peripherals....now do any of them give two shits about Wii u? Hell do a lot of them even play video games anymore? The Wii was lightning in a bottle. It was the right gimmick at the right time. The Wii mote stuff was novel, easy to use and encouraged playing with groups. The Wii u is the opposite of almost all of that. There is nothing new about touch screen gaming in 2012/13.
 
Nope...console gaming is in trouble...people just try and pretend it's just Nintendo. We don't know for certain since the others aren't out yet, but it's just a feeling I have.

Also, I care about console gaming as a whole doing well and Nintendo is a part of that. As a whole people should be more worried about Sony as they're in a more dire position. More than just their gaming division are bleeding money.

People just try and pretend its just nintendo.......lol

The biggest reason for the contraction of the gaming market market right now is because of the collapse of the Wii.

Just a feeling you have eh? You could at least give us some reasons.

Sony's gaming division is not bleeding money.
 
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I think they confirmed that picture to have been taking before/after the event. The thread on it was locked.
 
Nintendo had not one but two opportunities to position itself perfectly. The first was back in 2010 when it could have released a WiiU specced system (minus the technically impressive but expensive and pointless tablet controller) and managed to make the HD console market a true 3 way fight. Nobody would have been looking at the PS4 or Xbox 3 at that point and the Wii was still selling well so third parties would have jumped at the opportunity to capture some of the Wii market base before tablets became a big deal. The second opportunity was last year where they could have used the money and BOM share spent on the gamepad to improve the Wii U specs to something around the 1-1.4TF range and pull a XBox 360 on the PS4 and Durango. Not only would Nintendo have been first to market with a true next gen console but one of MS or Sony (likely the latter) would have been forced to rush their own console to market to cover. If Sony had been forced to announce the PS4 a year back, it would have likely had a weaker GPU and only 2GB of RAM. This would have left Nintendo in the same ballpark performance wise with a product out to market much earlier and third parties would have once again supported the system.

By doing what they did, Nintendo gave Sony and MS enough time to significantly boost their next generation specs and are as a result on the outside looking in this time around.

This sounds like a reasonable estimate of what went wrong. I wonder what Nintendo's can do to limit the damage going forward. I assume that sales of Nintendo's own games will compensate for some of the loss Nintendo has taken on hardware, but is there any hope at all for creating or purchasing a new IP that could do what Halo did for Xbox (and Wii Sports did for Wii)? Or would Nintendo have needed that kind of title during the launch window (or at least well before PS4 hype kicked in) to make a difference? I mean, even if Nintendo wanted to start moneyhatting 3rd parties, and those might be some very expensive hats to compensate for potential sales difference, the games themselves wouldn't start appearing for years.
 
Isn't that more a reflection on the deplorable state of Nintendo than anything?
Games industry is so immature and there has been fiascos and scandals almost all the time. It's pretty disgusting if you start to think about it really.
 
Not too surprising. I'm sure they could make UE4 run on WiiU, but unless there's enough units there's no business incentive to (just like the way there's no reason to port games to WiiU at this point -- it'd be as costly w/ the returns involved of developing for Vita). At this point it makes perfect sense to bill it as the high-end engine, then if U somehow picks up megaton sales this holidays, they can just tell people "hey! we figured out how to make UE4 run on WiiU!"
 
Should I pretend to care about third party support for the Wii U for my opinion to matter? Don't confuse my preference of games with business advice to Nintendo, Billy.

I believe the damage has been done anyway so even if Nintendo came out with something very powerful in a few years support for it is not guaranteed it is not the hardware these guys don't like it is Nintendo and what they stand for "Kids + Family + Fun" Nintendo does not have a core bone in its image so I agree they should stop pretending

Team up with Disney or something and move on
I don't blame 3rd Parties for doing what is best for business but the laughter just separates Nintendo even more

the damage will be hard to fix at this point
 
Wow, what's the story with that?

I think I missed it.
-GameWatch(?) posted an article about Nintendo's Miiverse GDC presentation not getting much interest
-They posted that pic along the article
-Thread was posted in here
-"lol"
-Apparently, the pic is either from before or after the presentation, as the ones doing said presentation are not even presenting anything (which explains the empty seats, people talking/playing on cellphones)
-GameWatch(?) never said anything else
-Thread was locked because there wasn't much to discuss since it was unknown when the pic was taken

So..noone knows, but it still been used as "lol". :p
If anyone that actually was here said anything would be better, but so far not even that.
 
Wow. Literally the laughing stock of the industry.

I remember when some people in the Wii U Speculation thread were so hopeful... oh guys...

The best versions of all PS3/360 multiplats, and downports of all PS4/720 multiplats. That seemed to be the main prediction back in the chain of Project Cafe/Wii U Speculation threads. Those were the days...
 
People just try and pretend its just nintendo.......lol

The biggest reason for the contraction of the gaming market market right now is because of the collapse of the Wii.

Just a feeling you have eh? You could at least give us some reasons.

Sony's gaming division is not bleeding money.

I added another post and explained my thoughts more thoroughly ...in the end I could be way off base.

And yes...Sony's gaming division is still bleeding money...just not as badly as their other divisions.

In order to post a profit Sony has been selling practically whatever isn't bolted down.
 
funny how all the defenders were saying it was next gen...yet it doesn't get the support from next gen engines. I'm sure the first party stuff will still be great for fans.
 
No, it bled more money than they could ever make back and now they're in a position where they have to launch new hardware, which has traditionally cost them eight-figure losses.

Funny thing is he said bleeding not bled. Learn the tenses please because I agree that they have bled money.

To be fair even Vita is still in stores.

What does this topic have to do with Vita?
 
They keep going it won't be in stores.
Nintendo needs to somehow shine this E3. it's going to be near impossible with the ps4/Durango reveals/hype but they need to find a way to steal the show. otherwise the Wii U will be utterly crushed.
 
It's always fun seeing arrogance knocked down a peg. Happened to Sony post ps2, Nintendo after the wii, and the jury is out on Microsoft after the 360.
 
I believe the damage has been done anyway so even if Nintendo came out with something very powerful in a few years support for it is not guaranteed it is not the hardware these guys don't like it is Nintendo and what they stand for "Kids + Family + Fun" Nintendo does not have a core bone in its image so I agree they should stop pretending

Team up with Disney or something and move on
I don't blame 3rd Parties for doing what is best for business but the laughter just separates Nintendo even more

the damage will be hard to fix at this point

The Nintendo handheld/console hybrid, supported by mainly Nintendo games sounds like the best option. Nintendo can support 1 platform properly, just not 2 at once. They still should expand though, open a few studios in Europe and the US. Then they won't even need those 3rd parties. In 5-6 years traditional console gaming might not even be around anymore anyway. So then there even wont be 3rd parties.
 
I believe the damage has been done anyway so even if Nintendo came out with something very powerful in a few years support for it is not guaranteed it is not the hardware these guys don't like it is Nintendo and what they stand for "Kids + Family + Fun" Nintendo does not have a core bone in its image so I agree they should stop pretending

Team up with Disney or something and move on
I don't blame 3rd Parties for doing what is best for business but the laughter just separates Nintendo even more

the damage will be hard to fix at this point

:lol...what does this even mean?
 
-Apparently, the pic is either from before or after the presentation, as the ones doing said presentation are not even presenting anything (which explains the empty seats, people talking/playing on cellphones)
-GameWatch(?) never said anything else

Judging by the as usual cryptic (or gibberish) Google Translation GameWatch seemed to be critical of the low attendance:

Although Nintendo annually, has been popular in session on case production of major titles, focus on Wii U is a hard date for sale at the moment the content sessions, rather than the game titles moreover, the function of the body, this year is the introduction of service We are specialized, it was something unprecedented Let her have the perception that more of the Wii U to be the creator of the world.

However, the speculation of Nintendo this, contrary to the reaction of the two sessions, which was conducted in GDC2013 this is unsatisfactory, he became one vacant conspicuous session either, tell the situation demanding Wii U miraculously.

Whether there are a lot of developers that Nintendo wants to expose cases of major titles still work, whether there are a lot of developers who do not have much interest in the Wii U in the first place. I do not know the situation fine, seems to be no doubt there was a shift of speculation and Nintendo, the expectations of developers in any way.
 
I believe the damage has been done anyway so even if Nintendo came out with something very powerful in a few years support for it is not guaranteed it is not the hardware these guys don't like it is Nintendo and what they stand for "Kids + Family + Fun" Nintendo does not have a core bone in its image so I agree they should stop pretending

Team up with Disney or something and move on
I don't blame 3rd Parties for doing what is best for business but the laughter just separates Nintendo even more

the damage will be hard to fix at this point
Remind me again of these 3rd party business successes? Just like... 5 different examples lately? Because I can give you dozens of sad examples that ended up in bankruptcy or studios breaking apart.
 
People just try and pretend its just nintendo.......lol

The biggest reason for the contraction of the gaming market market right now is because of the collapse of the Wii.

Just a feeling you have eh? You could at least give us some reasons.

Sony's gaming division is not bleeding money.

Sony's about to launch a new console, I'm pretty confident the next P&L will show their gaming division bleeding more money.
 
It was a fluke in the sense that that audience, the one that made Wii a huge fad, the one that made Mario kart and NSMB into massive, 20
Million+ sellers, are not coming back. They latched onto the next trend they saw on Pinterest or Rachel Ray. We all have friends, family and coworkers who were big into Wii 5 years ago, had Wii parties, had their living room littered with plastic peripherals....now do any of them give two shits about Wii u? Hell do a lot of them even play video games anymore? The Wii was lightning in a bottle. It was the right gimmick at the right time. The Wii mote stuff was novel, easy to use and encouraged playing with groups. The Wii u is the opposite of almost all of that. There is nothing new about touch screen gaming in 2012/13.

i hear this repeated so much and i just don't buy it at all. maybe if we repeat it so much, it'll become true? it gets repeated often, so it must be true? i personally believe that families are the most sure-fire audience for any new console. there just isn't as much device substitution there.
 
-GameWatch(?) posted an article about Nintendo's Miiverse GDC presentation not getting much interest
-They posted that pic along the article
-Thread was posted in here
-"lol"
-Apparently, the pic is either from before or after the presentation, as the ones doing said presentation are not even presenting anything (which explains the empty seats, people talking/playing on cellphones)
-GameWatch(?) never said anything else
-Thread was locked because there wasn't much to discuss since it was unknown when the pic was taken

So..noone knows, but it still been used as "lol". :p
If anyone that actually was here said anything would be better, but so far not even that.


Thanks for sharing and explaining. Hahaha

Nintendo just can't catch a break with the Wii U. All this negativity surrounding it.
 
Amazing response though :lol

Man.. I remember those good old Wii U spec threads with lherre, Eaty, wsippel, Ace, BY2K, IdeaMan, Übermatik and all the other crazy people - back then UE4 on Wii U was something we loved to see and all we got were vague statements like "Fish, meet water". It was amazing :lol

Yeah, this is going to be a Nintendo only console first and foremost, I'm fine with that since I'm getting the other two down the road. But man, Wii U only users will miss almost everything
 
This is a good thing. It means the Wii U will have unique games, and not just some gimped version of a PS4/720 title.

Monolith Soft will save the day!
 
Come on, crowd psychology is more complex than that. If I was attending I would have laughed as well just because it's an unexpectedly humorous reply, not because of some evil third party agenda. "Hahaha... no" is pretty dickish, but some massive assumptions are being made. Reading the text in your head also isolates it from any context.

Now, if there was whooping, clapping, standing ovation and all that noise, it's a different story.
 
i hear this repeated so much and i just don't buy it at all. maybe if we repeat it so much, it'll become true? it gets repeated often, so it must be true? i personally believe that families are the most sure-fire audience for any new console. there just isn't as much device substitution there.

It's true in as much as that all tangible evidence so far suggests its true. Sales certainly do.
 
This is a good thing. It means the Wii U will have unique games, and not just some gimped version of a PS4/720 title.

Monolith Soft will save the day!

That sounds great, in theory.

In reality, will a lot of developers step up to the plate and actually make any relevant games for the machine?
 
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