This is not a good thing, they are losing a lot of royalty money on games that won't be on their platform. Plus is not like all those games being there would automatically make Nintendo stop making games themselves.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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This is not a good thing, they are losing a lot of royalty money on games that won't be on their platform. Plus is not like all those games being there would automatically make Nintendo stop making games themselves.
Brainiac 8
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http://www.joystiq.com/2013/02/07/sony-cuts-q3-net-loss-to-115m-handheld-forecasts-down-30-perce/
They are doing better, but they're not out of the woods yet.
Their gaming division is doing better than some of the other divisions though.
This is only good if you honestly don't care about any AAA franchises or games. Otherwise, the droughts will be even worse than they are now and you'll maybe get a new title or two every few months at retail, assuming retail even wants to carry a system that wont move either software or hardware and take shelf space away from stuff that actually will sell.
Smiles and Cries
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I think Nintendo going to E3 at this point will be the final blow for Wii U
not that what they showed last year was not pathetic enough but going to E3 and presenting will be a slaughter
I would be best to kick off some weekly Nintendo Directs and only have your stuff on the show floor to be played
Why invite anyone on stage to make promises they won't keep? Why give the media more reason to mock your platform?
skip the conference put your stuff on the floor to be played get your exclusive first looks from eShop and Miiverse alone that would be the best move
It will mean the Wii U will get spin off titles from B or C teams. You weren't there during the 4 years the Wii reigned and Nintendo fans complained endlessly about how the Wii never got a chance because all it got from the major third party publishers were minor titles without mass appeal? And that was when the Wii was the bestselling console of all! What's the chance of even that happening when the Wii U is on a similar trajectory as the Gamecube?
MisterHero
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Including what I said before about the NSMB/Kart successes being duplicated from DS to Wii, it was also achieved on the NES. NSMB/Wii/Kart are only a few of a handful of games on any console to even approach SMB1/SMB3's records.
Yeah Nintendogs might not be successful like it was before, but Nintendo's original goal was to get people playing core Nintendo franchises. It's the same way for any expanded audience games; you can't expect it to become the bread-and-butter for any high-output publisher.
Barkley's Justice
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lol
Right, so when is X releasing? And how many games after that are Monolith releasing on the Wii U?
fastford58
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I think Nintendo was VERY lucky with the Wii to begin with. The stars aligned for that one.
And then they went ahead and released a console that is gen 3.07 when 4.0 is around the corner...well, the writing is on the wall and the stars are not aligned this time.
My friend has a WiiU. I asked him to show me a game or 2 for it. He showed me F-Zero from virtual console.
And then they went ahead and released a console that is gen 3.07 when 4.0 is around the corner...well, the writing is on the wall and the stars are not aligned this time.
My friend has a WiiU. I asked him to show me a game or 2 for it. He showed me F-Zero from virtual console.
Dark Octave
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LOL
Sales haven't suggested it at all. They suggest the casual audience moved from the Wii to the Xbox 360/PS3. It doesn't say they aren't there at all.
SonicMegaDrive
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Dude, it also plays Punch-Out!!
You gotta have Punch-Out!!. Best game on the system, so far.
King Hippo is hilarious.
Don't care. Will be busy fondling me some Bayonetta.
Phoenician_Viking
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Cross gen games never stopped people from upgrading. The people who will buy PS4 and Durango at launch are the hardcore who have been waiting for a new console for a while. There´s a huge excitement about the PS4, and the Durango has not been revealed yet. There´s also a lot of anticipation about Durango reveal from both the hardcore and the media.
Smiles and Cries
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it means they are never going to win over Sony and MS fans but why am I even replying to you?
GTA 5 exclusive to wiiu its the only way come on nintendo. Seriously tho this industry is pissing me off. It doesn't matter if the the big N released a console more powerful then PS4 the devs would say some bullshits, like its only for kiddie games or Nintendo's phiosophy doesn't fit ours at this time. For some reason since the end of SNES Nintendo has been stereotyped by the industry. We saw it with N64 an Gamecube, arguably more powerful then their biggest competitor, yet still getting shafted on the big game releases. I seriously don't even think moneyhatting will work for them.
So how does that help the Wii U?
That game does look good but yeah.. Lol Nintendo had this coming.. And they deserve all this ridicule.
That's what happens when you become too egoistic.
Oh and I agree with Epic. Wii U is NOT a next gen system.
Barack Lesnar
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Quick, someone link to Wikipedia.
metalslimer
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Wounded Nintendo will put out 20 Mario games to try and save the system
BrokenEchelon
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EA ignoring it. Ubisoft fucking it over. Epic not letting the biggest third party engine work on it.
Yeah. Rebrand that shit to Gamecube 2 and call it a day. It's over.
Yeah. Rebrand that shit to Gamecube 2 and call it a day. It's over.
Dave Meltzer
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We've known that for about a year, unless you're a True Believer.
not_so_special
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this is the new mantra of some nintendo fans? for real? because the wiiu is not selling they have hopes that the other two will have the same fate?
a lot of these studios who crashed were of the HD era..the same HD the wiiu is now part
wiiu ist not selling because the price,its not selling because noone gives a damn,there is no "buzz" no " look at this" nothing nada,people just dont care,people want the next bigh thing..and its not the wiiu
shinobi602
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This was pretty much known since launch lol.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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The Dreamcast got railroaded like this didn't it?
I don't see how that relates to what we're talking about. I'm saying the audience exists. That is all that I'm saying.
Fine by me too. But Nintendo should have had A LOT more games ready by now.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
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I'm not sure there is much they can do at this point. The Wii U is not selling at a massive loss and the eventual first party games will definitely improve sales to the faithful so they should break even. Even if they didn't, they have a mountain of cash lying around and the 3ds is pretty secure in its niche so I don't see them being Sega'd. Maybe as others have suggested a significantly more powerful console mid cycle might bring some interest. If they can't give people a reason to own their hardware beyond the software they make, they're better of becoming a 3rd party software publisher themselves.
TheGreyHulk
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Meh.. Wasn't expecting it to get ue4.
I know Nintendo doesn't like to hear it, but their systems aren't bought for 3rd party games. It would be nice to have, but they're pretty much a Gen behind technically. You can't just expect everything to be the same when there's a huge gap in performance.
Nintendo was/is too out of touch with western devs from a technical standpoint. They're currently playing catch up with shaders and all that good stuff that was learned over the last 8 years by devs outside of Nintendo.
Oh well... At least we still have Nintendo games to look fwd to.
I know Nintendo doesn't like to hear it, but their systems aren't bought for 3rd party games. It would be nice to have, but they're pretty much a Gen behind technically. You can't just expect everything to be the same when there's a huge gap in performance.
Nintendo was/is too out of touch with western devs from a technical standpoint. They're currently playing catch up with shaders and all that good stuff that was learned over the last 8 years by devs outside of Nintendo.
Oh well... At least we still have Nintendo games to look fwd to.
metalslimer
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Wiiu is nintendos next gen system. For developers it is not. Its a dumb argument because it aint getting 3rd party support either way
N64 had SM64 at launch and sold better than this and was pretty loved by many people. Wiiu is no system, and it has already outsold the VB 3x over
N64 had SM64 at launch and sold better than this and was pretty loved by many people. Wiiu is no system, and it has already outsold the VB 3x over
Mr_Antimatter
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Yeah, it's the current rallying cry of the nintendo fans. Epic, Ea, etc will all be sorry when the ps4/nextbox bomb and they come crying back to nintendo. I think they were embolden by the 3ds doomsayers having to eat a bit of crow, and think the wii u is set for a similar comeback.
dream
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I think it's probably even more in line with Virtual Boy, considering it arrived pretty much DOA.
My my the mental gymnastics. This whole post is so hilarious and patently false
OriginalNameGuy
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but this thread has nothing to do with the next Mario or Zelda. Unless you are trying to say third party support doesn't matter.
Ubisoft actually has been supporting the Wii U, yeah Rayman Legends getting delayed and multiplated sucked but you can pretty much say both Square Enix and Capcom screwed over the PS3 with both Final Fantasy XIII and Devil May Cry 4 going multiplated.
It's only Nintendo fans that see developers and publishers go under left and right? And calling it a rallying cry for Nintendo fans, isn't that something for Gamefaq forums?
Another? When was there ever a Nintendo box this lacking in third party support? N64 is the closest I can think of.
tehrik-e-insaaf
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It was a little sad seeing how many people at GDC had completely written off the Wii U
I mean, I get that GDC has historically been a PC-centric conference and more recently because of the California/LA/entertainment connections, Sony has really dropping a lot of money on the attendees and cozying up with the development community
but outside of the Criterion guys I met (one of the technical directors had a Super Mario t-shirt on so you can guess how they feel about Nintendo more generally), and your odd developer out (usually someone who grew up playing Nintendo games and really wanted to make games for Nintendo consoles so they put themselves in a position to do so), it wasn't even a factor - people had written off the 3DS as a dead console too (at least impossible for them to ever make a profit on)
the people running the Nintendo licensing booth didn't help matters any - I spoke to a few of the people there about Q&A, bug-fix support, etc and most of them were sales guys from Redmond that knew very little about the technical aspects that would be relevant to a developer, and few of them had any real understanding of what would get an existing indie to port their game to the console - kind of proves my statements about NoA all along - the guys are totally out of touch and NCL can't move their developer-relations on-shore fast enough to pick up the slack
again, not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, GDC has never been a Nintendo-friendly place, the PC development community has kind of existed parallel to Nintendo, but it IS an entire stream of games that Nintendo will probably never get now nor are they even on the radar of (currently) - so it just means Nintendo has to work all that much harder because capturing these devs starts before or right at the beginning of a cycle - and Sony is trying to pull a 360 right now, doing everything it can to get people to commit to the PS family of products right at the start of the cycle
Nintendo has been doing the same thing Sony has been doing, but in Japan, and getting more exclusive content for the next 24 months (whereas Sony is mostly going to get games that will be cross-ported to PC) - so we will hear more about that at E3 - but if you are a Nintendo developer in the US right now - it can be a bit lonely going to some of these development conferences (Nintendo should organize a NDC to boost morale a bit IMHO)
In case you guys are wondering though, the last time a Nintendo game got any real recognition at GDC was Metroid Prime, and IMHO that was only because you had a bunch of ex-PC devs at Retro who were well known in the industry as contributing to Quake mods - Mario Galaxy, its music, etc was barely recognized - based on my conversations over the years, I can't even think of a lot of PC devs that played the game.
I believe Wii Sports got some recognition for its innovation, but that's about it. In one of the sessions, Atari was recognized as "building the modern console gaming industry" - Nintendo was basically not even mentioned. I don't think it's necessarily bias, it's just a reflection about how a lot of these developers think about the world (especially on the West coast).
I mean, I get that GDC has historically been a PC-centric conference and more recently because of the California/LA/entertainment connections, Sony has really dropping a lot of money on the attendees and cozying up with the development community
but outside of the Criterion guys I met (one of the technical directors had a Super Mario t-shirt on so you can guess how they feel about Nintendo more generally), and your odd developer out (usually someone who grew up playing Nintendo games and really wanted to make games for Nintendo consoles so they put themselves in a position to do so), it wasn't even a factor - people had written off the 3DS as a dead console too (at least impossible for them to ever make a profit on)
the people running the Nintendo licensing booth didn't help matters any - I spoke to a few of the people there about Q&A, bug-fix support, etc and most of them were sales guys from Redmond that knew very little about the technical aspects that would be relevant to a developer, and few of them had any real understanding of what would get an existing indie to port their game to the console - kind of proves my statements about NoA all along - the guys are totally out of touch and NCL can't move their developer-relations on-shore fast enough to pick up the slack
again, not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, GDC has never been a Nintendo-friendly place, the PC development community has kind of existed parallel to Nintendo, but it IS an entire stream of games that Nintendo will probably never get now nor are they even on the radar of (currently) - so it just means Nintendo has to work all that much harder because capturing these devs starts before or right at the beginning of a cycle - and Sony is trying to pull a 360 right now, doing everything it can to get people to commit to the PS family of products right at the start of the cycle
Nintendo has been doing the same thing Sony has been doing, but in Japan, and getting more exclusive content for the next 24 months (whereas Sony is mostly going to get games that will be cross-ported to PC) - so we will hear more about that at E3 - but if you are a Nintendo developer in the US right now - it can be a bit lonely going to some of these development conferences (Nintendo should organize a NDC to boost morale a bit IMHO)
In case you guys are wondering though, the last time a Nintendo game got any real recognition at GDC was Metroid Prime, and IMHO that was only because you had a bunch of ex-PC devs at Retro who were well known in the industry as contributing to Quake mods - Mario Galaxy, its music, etc was barely recognized - based on my conversations over the years, I can't even think of a lot of PC devs that played the game.
I believe Wii Sports got some recognition for its innovation, but that's about it. In one of the sessions, Atari was recognized as "building the modern console gaming industry" - Nintendo was basically not even mentioned. I don't think it's necessarily bias, it's just a reflection about how a lot of these developers think about the world (especially on the West coast).
Dude, game cube had 3rd party support through out its entire life. This is FAR worse than game cube. Even the Wii had some decent 3rd party support for the first two years. This thing is being taken out back and shot before it even makes it to its first E3 by western 3rd parties. This is potentially heading into virtual boy territory if things do not change for the better.
At least the Dreamcast was a powerful machine with a ton of great games (still one of the best launch line ups ever), the Dreamcasts problem was people were still hurt over the Saturn and many people got caught up in Sony's usual hyperbole regarding the PS2.
Discomurf
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As a long time Nintendo fan and current Wii U owner I have to admit Nintendo has effed up pretty hard. All the big current gen games (BioShock, Tomb Raider, Crysis 3) cannot be played on Wii U and it looks like all of the big next gen games wont be there either. Sure we'll have all of Nintendo's great first party content, but outside of that it'll be the same old story -you'll need another console.
From the overpriced underpowered hardware, no multi-touch support, slow OS, confusing (and bad) marketing, poor game schedule strategy, and horrible 3rd party relations they really have no one to blame but themselves.
I could (and hope) I'm wrong but I think they're in big trouble this gen. In all honestly at this point from a business perspective there best bet might be to push less for the 'core gamer' and relaunch the Wii U more for the casuals - pack it in with Wii Sports U and a Wiimote+ this holiday and sell it for $249.
From the overpriced underpowered hardware, no multi-touch support, slow OS, confusing (and bad) marketing, poor game schedule strategy, and horrible 3rd party relations they really have no one to blame but themselves.
I could (and hope) I'm wrong but I think they're in big trouble this gen. In all honestly at this point from a business perspective there best bet might be to push less for the 'core gamer' and relaunch the Wii U more for the casuals - pack it in with Wii Sports U and a Wiimote+ this holiday and sell it for $249.
Plinko
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I don't know, but you did.
Nintendo didn't win over Sony and MS fans last generation and destroyed the other two because they won the casual fan.
Unfortunately for them, this time it's not working. This is their problem--where do they go from here? Do they go after the casual fan again, or do they try to win back the traditional (a term I like FAR more than "core") gamer?
I think they have to try for traditional again. That stopgap system idea I posted earlier is the best way to do it. They just need to leadership to make it happen.
Well, the post you originally quoted was in regards to the family audience of the Wii not moving on to the Wii U. I agree with the original posters point, I don't think that same audience does care about the Wii U, and that's a massive problem for Nintendo.
Does that same Nuclear Family from the Wii commercials still exist, and have they simply just moved on to Sony and Microsoft? If they do still exist, I certainly believe they have shrunk, and if they have moved on to Sony and Microsoft, I don't think they're going back to Nintendo.
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