UT3? Seriously?
BioShock Infinite is UE3, the Mass Effects were, the Batmans, plenty of great stuff.
Kotaku: The Wii U Won't Be Getting Unreal Engine 4
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BioShock Infinite is UE3, the Mass Effects were, the Batmans, plenty of great stuff.
metalslimer
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I meant looking forward. 3rd parties at least somewhat interested in the wii a few months in.
Dave Meltzer
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Gonzo The Great
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If they did a great job, the Dreamcast would have survived.
This is a business decision. UE4, much as with the newest version of UE3, has no issues with current gen power. It's a fairly scalable engine, not a high spec game. People need to move on from the hardware power argument and focus on the real one: opportunity cost. Or, lack thereof. It's the same as Frostbite in this regard. Frostbite 3 runs fine on PS360, CE3 runs better on Wii U than it does on PS360. There are and won't be any games running any of those in the near or medium term on the Wii U, however. The arguments in this thread should be why publishers do not see any ROI in the system (and didn't prior to launch - not a new opinion brought on with sales figures).
and why would you. they're not made by real people.
Mr_Antimatter
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DOA 2 was a great comparison back in the day. A jaggie mess on the ps2, but smooth and sexy on the DC. By the time the Us release happened, tecmo managed to fix the AA issue, and added stages and such, making DOA 2: hardcore the better version over all.
Still, many an early flamewar about which console was better over all. The later addition of the GCN and xbox hype effected things as well.
Smiles and Cries
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if by traditional you mean those who love old school Nintendo software and would like to see Nintendo try NEW IPs I'm with you
I think the major issue with Nintendo for me is every time they have a new idea they stick Mario in there
Imagine what Galaxy would have been without Mario? A new world a new IP, as an old fan of Zelda and Mario I would still like to see some fresh things from Nintendo new hardware demains this type of thing
Traditional Nintendo Quality in some fresh stuff would be HUGE
new leadership is true
if their focus on the dreamcast had been the same with the saturn, the saturn would have been a hit.
SonicMegaDrive
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They brought the games, they had a great price, they advertised it.
The only thing they did wrong was they couldn't make people forget about the Playstation 2.
I get your point, although I think the value proposition of old consoles attracting new audiences is a slightly different thing to "casuals" moving scene.
I just don't think that "next greatest value" is the Wii U. I have no firm data to back this up, but aren't the 360 and PS3 still selling higher than previous consoles have at this point in their life? If the 360 drops to £99, or the PS3 to £129, that's another incentive again. What does the Wii U have to drop to to reach into that same market? £170? Half it's current RRP? Even lower than that? And if it doesn't drop to those sort of prices, will new consumers see more value in the cheaper system, or the system that offers them VASTLY more for only £100 (ish) more?
I think the Wii U is caught in a really awkward position, both in terms of pricing and its release. Value was a huge, huge driver of what made the Wii a success and that's just not there for the Wii U. That same natural progression to the next best value hardware could still leave the Wii U behind entirely.
Yes all of the awful unreal engine games like:
Asura's Wrath
Batman: Arkham Asylum
Batman: Arkham City
BioShock Infinite
Borderlands
Borderlands 2
Dishonored
DmC: Devil May Cry
EVERY Gears of war game
EVERY Mass Effect game
Spec Ops: The Line
Rainbow 6 Vegas 1 and 2
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Why would you want any awful games like that on your system?
metalslimer
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Sega broke records with the DC launch. Their failures came from the Saturn failures and money they blew. The Dreamcast did decently and if Sega actually had money could have had a full lifecycle
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This.
Nintendo as a game developer are one of my favourite devs out there. Nothing can get me as excited as the prospect of a new, major Nintendo game. But I'm so fucking tired of playing the same franchises over and over. If they made a game with the size and scope of Zelda but with a new world and characters, it would be so much more interesting and they could do new things in gameplay without having to worry about pandering to the expectations of the franchise.
Sega's other problem was that they released a string of bombs like Sega CD, Sega Saturn, etc one after another.
Those financial losses from the previous generation made it difficult to keep Dreamcast going.
I dont think there was much else sega could of done. The dreamcast was done before release simply due to sega's mistakes prior to the DC.
A console with that many quality titles and offering online gaming should of easily been a success but sega burned consumers too many times.
Now I'm kinda expecting Iwata to get let go sooner rather than later unless he has something big planned that the company wants to see out(like a big push of NFC to generate money and userbase).
I'd be willing to argue that selling a console at a huge loss when you have no money is a really bad decision.
I'd be willing to argue that selling a console at a huge loss when you have no money is a really bad decision.
Cbajd5
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The problem here is will that excitement last. There's so much we don't know about the PS4, not a price nor what they will look like. People can be easily turned away if either aren't good.
The Durango's a whole other deal, but the anticipation has been growing more negative since there's been rumors of no used games and always online.
I honestly don't remember that well myself, but how common were AAA cross gen games during the last transition? And was no backwards compatibility such a big deal then as well?
And the hardcore will only need to get either a PS4, Durango, or PC to get most of their exclusively next gen experiences. Most would then be more than willing to wait until the consoles go down in price to get their exclusives. I'm sure the number who are dedicated to either Sony or Microsoft are much lower than Nintendo as well.
Discomurf
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The company was short on of cash from past mistakes (ahem 32X, Saturn) and had to make a tough call, if they stuck too it a couple more years who knows.
Mr_Antimatter
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Sure they could have. It's just Kojima stepped in, and showed the world what the ps2 could do shortly after the japanese launch.
Knowing it could pull off MGS 2 made people take strong notice. The trailer, it's music, and it's effect on the industry made it pretty much the iconic moment of E3's for that generation.
It's worth pointing out that Nintendo are going hell for leather trying to secure indie games, the closest direct parallel to 'non-blockbusters' in the movie industry. Whether they're ultimately successful is, of course, a whole other matter, but they've clearly got a path in mind.
At one point people gathered around n64s to play goldeneye and perfect dark. They don't need another generic shooter, but trying to get after that market again wouldn't hurt either... I never understood why they let it go without a fight in the first place. Would be a good complement to lighter games like Mario and Zelda.
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I get the feeling the only feedback they listened to was improving their online capabilities.
Duallusion
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@ the free-for-all trolling in this threadI'd be pretty worried if WiiU was my only gaming platform of choice. Since it won't be and was never intended to be, I'm pretty sure I'll be playing a bunch of great games regardless of UE4 support. Given their track record probably some of the best games of upcoming generation, too.
Sucks for Nintendo, though. But we'll see how much.
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He literally doesn't know what he's talking about.
miyamoto will probably be designing games for another 5-10 years at most. dude's 60 now, and he'll probably retire at some point. i think that'll influence how nintendo goes about with franchises. tezuka won't be far behind him. then it'll be aonuma as the old veteran calling the shots if he's still around.
i think aonuma and koizumi have very different philosophies than miyamoto and tezuka. miyamoto and tezuka seem to dislike having story clutter up gameplay, but koizumi and aonuma feel it helps give games character and atmosphere. they probably would start doing their own thing if miyamoto wasn't around to ask for a new mario game (or to make things into a mario game).
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Next he'll tweet that water is wet. Anyone with any sense has known this for quite some time.We have experts weighing in:
He's not entirely wrong, even though he's saying the obvious.
Where else are you expecting Wii U ports to come from? Are you really expecting scaled down PS4/720 ports?
Its a Gies joke from the whole SimCity debacle.
Chinpoko_Master
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What he's saying is actually painfully obvious at this point.
the wii u would need to start getting ports of ps360 games for this to be true.
I figured I'd ask straight-out, so during the Q&A with Rein, I did. "Will UE4 run on the Wii U?"
"Hahaha no." Rein said, with expert comedic timing. The room erupted with laughter.
Holy shit
This is the funniest thing I've read all day, wow
Brutal shit..that's for sure
Let's be honest. If they port bioschok infinite, given current sales for third parties, nintendo fans won't care about the game itself let alone the engine
A bit off topic but can anyone see Sega going back into the console system market in the future?, maybe if one of the big hitters drops out or changes long term focus?.
I just wonder if Sega has grown enough as a company since going 3rd party to have enough money behind them to do it. I'd love to see it happen though, its always felt wierd to me to not have a Sega console.
I just wonder if Sega has grown enough as a company since going 3rd party to have enough money behind them to do it. I'd love to see it happen though, its always felt wierd to me to not have a Sega console.
They probably see it as too big of a gamble to spend that much money on a new IP and they probably don't want to have their teams that make big selling games tied to spending 2 or 3 years making a title that may not make them anywhere close to the same amount money. Depending on how many people they end up hiring during their current expansion they might give it a try eventually though.
Why would I not count indies. Are they suddenly lesser games? At one time I was considering buying a 360 just because of the indie titles. Of course they eventually came to the PC so I didn't have to get one.
Shouldn't we be praying for Wii U support?
Majmun
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Don't forget about the awful Lost Odyssey, Shadow Complex and Shadows of the Damned!!
Haha okay, thanks. Sorry I didn't know.
metalslimer
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Wiiu is not even getting ps3/360 ports so he's wrong already
I'd say 2 years before multiplat support dries up, sports games even longer
I'd say 2 years before multiplat support dries up, sports games even longer
mgs2 wasnt more impressive than shenmue.
That game had small ass environments. It was all smoke and mirrors.
Dc was a fucking naomi.
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Why do we want multiplat ports on the Wii U? Buy a PS4 for that. You own a Wii U for Nintendo games and exclusive third-party titles that Nintendo courted. People gotta stop acting like Nintendo "failed" by not being included in multiplatform plans. Nintendo boxes are companion consoles. You get them because they do things your PS4/720 doesn't.
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But WiiU owners don't care about these 'shitty' Western games, they only want the 'Cool' games like Kirbys Fun World etc...
Agreed. It will be just like last time. Some games this fall will be cross gen, then sports titles for a year or two after that.
So maybe Wii U will get a few more sports games from EA...oh, right.
Discomurf
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They figured better bet to gimp it for a little extra $ in their pockets than bet boosting it for a little less $ in their pockets. And its beginning to look like they lost the bet.
sega was going to go back into the console business, but sammy put a stop to that. and sammy runs things now so we'll never see another one unless sammy says so.
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