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L.A. schools halt $1 billion contract for iPads

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GK86

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L.A. schools Supt. John Deasy suspended future use of a contract with Apple on Monday that was to provide iPads to all students in the nation's second-largest school system amid mounting scrutiny of the $1-billion-plus effort.

The suspension comes days after disclosures that the superintendent and his top deputy had especially close ties to executives of Apple, maker of the iPad, and Pearson, the company that is providing the curriculum on the devices. And an internal report that examined the technology effort showed major problems with the process and the implementation.

"Moving forward, we will no longer utilize our current contract with Apple Inc.," Deasy wrote in a memo sent to the Board of Education on Monday.

"Not only will this decision enable us to take advantage of an ever-changing marketplace and technology advances, it will also give us time to take into account concerns raised surrounding the [project]," Deasy wrote.

Under the contract approved just over a year ago, Apple had been expected to provide iPads with Pearson as the subcontractor. School board members were made to understand that the initial $30-million contract was expected to expand to about $500 million as the project rolled out over the next year or so. An additional $500 million would be used to expand Internet access and other infrastructure issues at schools.

The purchases were being approved in phases, which gave Deasy the option of starting over.

But Deasy, who has been the main proponent of providing the iPads throughout the district and who has defended the project repeatedly, was coming under mounting criticism for his handling of the contract and for the implementation of the program.

Last week, a draft report of a district technology committee, obtained by The Times, was strongly critical of the bidding process.

Among the findings was that the initial rules for winning the contract appeared to be tailored to the products of the eventual winners — Apple and Pearson — rather than to demonstrated district needs. The report found that key changes to the bidding rules were made after most of the competition had been eliminated under the original specifications.

In addition, the report said that past comments or associations with vendors, including Deasy, created an appearance of conflict even if no ethics rules were violated.

Deasy immediately defended the integrity of his staff and the original process, but also noted that he hadn't read the draft report because a copy had not been provided to him.

Emails and other documents, some of which were released under a California Public Records Act request Friday, showed detailed — and numerous — contacts between Deasy, Deputy Supt. Jaime Aquino and the corporate executives.

It appears that the officials began discussing the school system's effort to supply students computers equipped with online curriculum at least two years before the contract was approved.

In one email, from May 24, 2012, Aquino seems to strategize with higher-ups from Pearson on how to ensure that it got the job.

"I believe we would have to make sure that your bid is the lowest one," wrote Aquino, who was an executive with a Pearson affiliate before joining L.A. Unified.


Deasy was one of the last to participate in that email exchange and made his comments after Aquino's, which covered several topics.

"Understand your points and we need to work together on this quickly," Deasy wrote. "I want to not loose [sic] an amazing opportunity and fully recognize our current limits."

On Sunday, Deasy said that the conversations were only about a "pilot program we did at several schools months before we decided to do a large-scale implementation. We did work closely on this pilot."

Deasy said he recalled that Aquino also offered another major vendor, Amplify Education Inc., a similar opportunity.

"Nothing was done in any inappropriate way whatsoever," the superintendent said. "Of course I talk to people. I would be expected to."

Aquino left L.A. Unified at the end of last year and has not responded to interview requests.

It remains to be seen if Deasy's action will satisfy critics. The teachers union Monday called for an official investigation of the original contracting process — the union and Deasy have clashed before and are now in tense contract negotiations. And a source close to the district said L.A. Unified's inspector general is planning to conduct additional interviews.

An earlier inquiry by the inspector general was reviewed by the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, which concluded that no charges were warranted.

But the rollout was troubled from the beginning, and critics also found fault with the process that led to the selection of Apple as the lead contractor and Pearson as its main collaborator.

In the memo, Deasy said his decision also related to the changing marketplace. The original contract, for example, immediately came under fire because the model of iPad the district agreed to buy was almost immediately superseded by a newer version on retail shelves.

Deasy addressed that problem somewhat by getting Apple to agree to provide the newer model for the same price. The Pearson part of the deal also attracted critics because, for example, the school system was paying full price for a curriculum that still was under development during the first year of a three-year license. In his memo, Deasy also alluded to issues that arose during testing.

Some schools reported that students preferred taking new state tests on devices other than the iPads because the small size of the iPad screen made reading more difficult and because the attachable keyboards weren't as well integrated into the device.

Even before Deasy's action Monday, L.A. Unified had decided to try out other devices and other curricula at the high school level. Some devices still are being deployed this fall under the old contract, reaching students at 52 schools, according to the memo.

And under the recently expanded approach, 18,000 laptops are being purchased. Deasy wrote that he expects Apple and Pearson to be among the bidders in the new process.

"We will incorporate the lessons learned from the original procurement process," he said.

"We look forward to refining our processes and ultimately achieve our vision to equip every one of our students with a personal computing device to help them succeed in the 21st century."
 

Rich!

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My local schools (here in the UK) bought Raspberry Pi units instead. That's a far better and cheaper option.

of course, that's purely for IT/programming lessons - I understand an iPad would be as a workbook replacement, which is a shit idea
 

benjipwns

Banned
And under the recently expanded approach, 18,000 laptops are being purchased. Deasy wrote that he expects Apple and Pearson to be among the bidders in the new process.
I forsee no problems with this approach either.
 

Halcyon

Member
Computers are more functional for learning than tablets.

If the school wants a 1000% increase in kids watching porn and beating off in the bathroom, I say money well spent.
 

Zoe

Member
Good riddance.

I'm all for technology in students' hands, but iPads aren't the answer.
 
Crises averted, don't get these kids IPads. They absolutely would not be as effective as a learning tool in a school setting.
 
iPads were a terrible fucking idea in the first place.

Laptops bought for the same money would probably last twice as long for those students/districts.

I think the best option would have been Surface pads. Retain the full usefulness of a laptop while still being able to use it as a book or pad for writing with a stylus/digital pen. OneNote is still the GoAT for screen note taking anyway. I can't imagine they couldn't have negotiated a good deal with Microsoft for 18,000 of them. That would have been a win-win.
 

Borman

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Pearson is a mess. I cant believe the control they have not only over students, but over the educators themselves. I could not become certified without Pearson deciding that it was okay.
 

bigkrev

Member
No problems with a school buying enough computers for every student to have one, but iPads seem a bit ridiculous. Even if you are hellbent on tablets over laptops for some reason, surely a Nexus 7 or a comparable device will do everything an iPad does at a fraction of the cost? These aren't for entertainment, they are for learning!
 

Kuroyume

Banned
Amazing how kids were able tog et through school just fine for generations without the needs of these things. What a colossal waste of money. These schools don't have computer labs?
 
Seriously how in the world do they need ipads???

Get them a Nook or something...

LOL. Implying a Nook or "something" could offer the catalog of software and scale of support Apple and the iPad could offer. iPad was the wrong choice for what they need, but let's not be absurd.

Hell, if you even read the article you'd know why a Nook would be even worse. Surface (or a similar product) would be and is the best option here.
 

Timeaisis

Member
What a racket. You don't need a $500 iPad or a $1000 macbook for your education technology needs. There are way cheaper alternatives that would serve just as well and not cost the school district a $1 billion.
 
Any of these platforms are only as good as the learning software available. I'm willing to bet that there is still a lot of learning tools that use flash and wouldn't work well on the iPad. The iPad is still too limited in my opinion. It's great for certain use cases, but it's not the answer to that magical all in one device that tech futurists like to predict.
 

Laekon

Member
Chromebooks to the rescue.
I'm pretty sure this is what they are doing and the writer put in laptop instead. The main reason is it has a keyboard and all data is stored online automatically. There have been other recent stories of school districts going Chromebooks instead of tablets for those reasons.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
Amazing how kids were able tog et through school just fine for generations without the needs of these things. What a colossal waste of money. These schools don't have computer labs?

Seriously. You don't need to buy a device for every student.

What happened to note pads that cost 20 cents

My school didn't buy me note pads or pencils, so why all of a sudden are they buying people computers?

And an iPad would be horrible to write and edit an essay on.
 
Amazing how kids were able tog et through school just fine for generations without the needs of these things. What a colossal waste of money. These schools don't have computer labs?

What do you think old people said when we were kids and schools started getting computer labs?
 

massoluk

Banned
I think interactivity is a good way to engage kids in school, but let's be real here, cheaper Android tablets would have sufficed.

edit: But who knows, since the bidding process is such that Apple won...
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
I'm pretty sure this is what they are doing and the writer put in laptop instead. The main reason is it has a keyboard and all data is stored online automatically. There have been other recent stories of school districts going Chromebooks instead of tablets for those reasons.

Chromebooks have their own horrible catches to come along with them. The only GOOD thing about them is their price frankly. "Hey, let's get these because they are dirt cheap, in the meantime handing over control of all features, services, management and costs/billing to Google" This was the EXACT same thing that led to Microsoft's rise to dominance in the 90s. "Well we are already using their OS, and they are cutting us a break on their productivity pack. Well we are already using their OS and productivity pack, and they are cutting us a break on their server OS architecture"

At least with tablets, the focus is on the available software and the management/storage of that is up to the actual developer/publisher. If you need to go from iPad to Nexus to Galaxy, etc as long as the software is available for those tablets it is portable or you can switch to a new software platform entirely. Chromebook for a good chunk of the experience you are locked to Google Apps and moving away from that (say Office365, proprietary, etc) is a major fucking pain in the ass.

I think interactivity is a good way to engage kids in school, but let's be real here, cheaper Android tablets would have sufficed.
Android as a tablet software platform is a wasteland. There are still a ton of holes in software areas on iPad as well... but Android tablets for educational institutions are pointless. They are basically media browsers with virtually no app (or educational app) availability.
 

SyNapSe

Member
I think what makes this look really shady is a school district the size of LA kicking off a project of this kind of cost on software that was still being beta tested.

I work for a smallish midsize type company and before we'd move forward with any type of major project like this we'd want references and likely want to see the system in place at a clients site.
 

njean777

Member
Just get laptops not tablets, and I wouldn't even say get apple laptops either. I prefer apple laptops, but children do not need 1000$ laptops for schoolwork.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Wolfram Alpha

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Bullshit excuse, Apple always get an in @ the education level, even when there is a cheaper and usually more viable solution.

The basic/essential educational tools and software are available on the Android and PC platforms.

you gave two pieces of software (even if the two most widely used). The point is you don't know their planned curriculum, training, or other currently licensed software. To just say "well android has these two apps" isn't anywhere near as definitive as you are making it out to be.

edit - and apple has always gotten in at the educational level because of the fact that it was always vertical from the hardware down to the application software. it's the same reason they STILL get in at the education level. A lot of that was offset during the 00s with the computer consulting firms handling vendor and support contracts as well.. but there is still a cut there to be had by those firms that apple can still undercut simply by being vertical.
 

KevinRo

Member

Can you stop typing? Chromebooks should be the only alternative. Not only are they cheap, you can use them as a terminal or use virtualization software to make your Chromebook run any app over your browser from your main servers. Stop, please. You're the reason why our dumb teachers and politicians think our students need expensive aas tablets and laptops.
 

sn00zer

Member
These things are so dumb....we have so many schools closing in MI, while that ones that are open everyone gets an ipad
 

benjipwns

Banned
I think what makes this look really shady is a school district the size of LA kicking off a project of this kind of cost on software that was still being beta tested.

I work for a smallish midsize type company and before we'd move forward with any type of major project like this we'd want references and likely want to see the system in place at a clients site.
Well, yeah, but you work in the private sector. They expect results.
 

Dunlop

Member
Billion dollar contract, dayum.

I'm pissed that my kid's school is starting this shit also. I have 4 Android tablets at home but will be expected to get them Ipads
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
Thank God. This was the biggest waste of money ever. A billy for fucking iPads. If you're going to get tablets, there are tons of cheap alternatives out there. Fuck Apple when you can save hundreds per unit and get the same general performance.
 

borghe

Loves the Greater Toronto Area
Can you stop typing? Chromebooks should be the only alternative. Not only are they cheap, you can use them as a terminal or use virtualization software to make your Chromebook run any app over your browser from your main servers. Stop, please. You're the reason why our dumb teachers and politicians think our students need expensive aas tablets and laptops.

I mean are you seeing commission here? Holy balls. I'm sure google agrees with you implicitly. They even offer up "educational" pricing on Google Apps as well!! All so we (me, you, them) can bitch in 10 years about how google is behaving in an anti-competitive manner and under investigation by the Justice Department because 10 years earlier people bought into the simplicity and price of Chromebook ignoring the keys to the kingdom they were handing over to google.

and I'm the one who needs to stop type. There aren't :rolleyes: big enough for your sales pitch. "All you need is google!!!"
 

kess

Member
Apple does not really offer education discounts for institutions anymore. Educational supplies shouldn't cost that much more than the cost of production, but we all know what a racket school books are.
 

Piecake

Member
These things are so dumb....we have so many schools closing in MI, while that ones that are open everyone gets an ipad

The beauty of funding schools by local property taxes. Some schools get 60 million dollar football stadiums. Other schools have to eliminate football completely in order to avoid being closed down.
 

Blackhead

Redarse
Chromebooks have their own horrible catches to come along with them. The only GOOD thing about them is their price frankly. "Hey, let's get these because they are dirt cheap, in the meantime handing over control of all features, services, management and costs/billing to Google" This was the EXACT same thing that led to Microsoft's rise to dominance in the 90s. "Well we are already using their OS, and they are cutting us a break on their productivity pack. Well we are already using their OS and productivity pack, and they are cutting us a break on their server OS architecture"

At least with tablets, the focus is on the available software and the management/storage of that is up to the actual developer/publisher. If you need to go from iPad to Nexus to Galaxy, etc as long as the software is available for those tablets it is portable or you can switch to a new software platform entirely. Chromebook for a good chunk of the experience you are locked to Google Apps and moving away from that (say Office365, proprietary, etc) is a major fucking pain in the ass.


Android as a tablet software platform is a wasteland. There are still a ton of holes in software areas on iPad as well... but Android tablets for educational institutions are pointless. They are basically media browsers with virtually no app (or educational app) availability.


Why Some Schools Are Selling All Their iPads
| The Atlantic (Aug 5 2014)

Other iPad pilot teachers came to see the benefits of laptop capabilities, too. “At the end of the year, I was upset that we didn’t get the iPads,” said seventh-grade science teacher Larissa McCann. “But as soon as I got the Chromebook and the kids started using it, I saw, ‘Okay, this is definitely much more useful.’ ”

While nobody hated the iPad, by any means, the iPad was edged out by some key feedback, said Joel Handler, Hillsborough’s director of technology. Students saw the iPad as a “fun” gaming environment, while the Chromebook was perceived as a place to “get to work.” And as much as students liked to annotate and read on the iPad, the Chromebook's keyboard was a greater perk — especially since the new Common Core online testing will require a keyboard.
 

Phoenix

Member
What do you think old people said when we were kids and schools started getting computer labs?

An I can tell you with certainty that it was said.

I have never seen the rationale in arguing against progress. As someone pretty close to the education circle, there is marked improvement in students that use this technology on a daily basis at their desks in the classroom and this has motivated a number of schools and organizations to produce/supply solutions for their students.
 

Alx

Member
Amazing how kids were able tog et through school just fine for generations without the needs of these things. What a colossal waste of money. These schools don't have computer labs?

Actually I think that moving to e-books could be a huge improvement for kids/students in general. Moving around those heavy lumps of paper was a chore, and they could get expensive too.
I still think some "old fashioned" tech can be useful, and pen & paper is still a very useful combo for learning. But for more advanced tools, yes a laptop would be more useful than a pure tablet. Like someone suggested earlier, a Surface could be a good compromise, especially since it can come with tools that can prove useful in the future (MS Office), but having branded products in a public school is always a shady situation.
 
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