Lance Armstrong plans to admit doping to Oprah (USA Today)
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Think Steve Jobs.
ComputerMKII
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Different perspective on life, appreciate the things you have, the realization of helping others in time of need etc.
Psychotext
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I think getting under his skin would result in a very different Armstrong answering the questions.
PowderedToast
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wonderfully contrived performance, lance
"the truth will set you free" *vomit*
"the truth will set you free" *vomit*
I enjoyed that a great deal! Going to be wild reading all the articles next week on this. Soooo many journalists and news sites will be giving their 2 cents.
Indeed she was.
Indeed she was.
True. And yet, 95% of the awful things he did that got him here today happened after he had beaten cancer.
As for Oprah, she did a much better job than I thought it was going to do. I like her, but I really never watched her show (except for clips of Tom Cruise that one time). I think she was as pointed as she could have been and studied up well for this interview. Granted, someone with a full background in cycling would have asked different questions and I would love to see that even more.
What do you want, blood? I think she was polite but firm. She probed but didn't antagonize
Psychotext
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What amazes me is that there's not really anything we know now that we didn't know before the thing aired. That either speaks to how thoroughly he was investigated, or how careful they were about what he actually said in the interview.
Ollie Pooch
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ComputerMKII
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I had to read one of his books as homework for my university but I've never seen his interviews. How can I watch them and which one would you recommend?
Nah, I've seen the first half. The rest hasn't aired on the west coast yet.
I was addressing the overarching reason Lance is being crucified in the first place: his use of PEDs to successfully cheat at riding a bicycle better than the majority of all cyclists who were doing the same. That's what I find ridiculous about this circus, especially in today's sports landscape. Of course Lance has been revealed to be a piece of shit for other reasons, but let's not pretend that's why everyone tuned in.
I'm guessing that's where the whole invincibility thing went awry.
What was with the triumphant music during the breaks on the stream. It almost seemed like they were trying to make people think back to the victories rather than the reality. Oprah was pretty soft really, Lance strikes me as a legit sociopath, he doesn't seem to feel anything..
ComputerMKII
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People are going in on Armstrong hard. It has to hurt him that the people who defended him until the bitter end hate him. He's not getting back shit like this. He's probably in a worse position than before he apologized.
Yeah Oprah gained much more from this than he did. He'd have been better off with a statement or press conference
I would have liked to see him go full batshit and pull a knife out from his boot
Because of things like this:
What did we learn from that interview? That a) he owned up to everything that everyone knew he'd already done, and b) he at least cares about his children. Well done. Should have seen him under pressure, grilled and not given the chance to respond to such soft questioning in such a nonchalant manner. There was literally no point to the interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCo7qbzEX3c - that's just a general best Paxo moments video, but look up his interview with Michael Howard for some genuinely squirmy moments.
Following two links have some great videos
http://www.totalpolitics.com/blog/45518/top-five-classic-paxman-moments.thtml
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-06-27/jeremy-paxmans-greatest-on-air-assassinations
He probably couldn't accept that he couldn't win anymore even with doping. So he has to lie and preserve the fantasy where he is invincible while on drugs. It's like his "never failed a test" thing, something that was REALLY hard for him to let go of. He needs to cling onto something, no matter how warped and pointless an achievement it is.
It also implies that cycling is still dirty while he is not.
Ollie Pooch
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I just meant that its outrageous he's still lying, in an interview where he was supposed to come clean. Completely delusional.
Have to agree that the interview seemed kind of pointless.
ComputerMKII
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Thank you.
Search on YouTube for Paxman vs Michael Howard, and Paxman vs Chloe Smith.
I know. He can't help it. It IS delusional, and kind of sad.
And in return I shall masturbate to your avatar.
gonna need oxygen to the bloodstream brb
Ollie Pooch
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Won't let me post a link. Daily mail has a pretty good write up on it.
Psychotext
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The Fail is banned here.
Can find it with "john fahey armstrong lying".
Can find it with "john fahey armstrong lying".
Ollie Pooch
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I figured as much
Cool. Possible criminal charges eh? Maybe we'll see another confession in a few years when the statute of limitation expires lol.
Ollie Pooch
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Yeah, makes sense. Still, funny how he was pushing it as this big emotional confession when he's still lying through his teeth.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
well, yes, but that didnt come directly as a result of him doping, that happened because he's a grade A douchebag. If he wasn't doping their lives would have been ruined anyway. They aren't dead, either.
yes, directly Livestrong is the main one that gained from his success, but there are other organizations that no doubt benefited from it indirectly and people who looked up to the guy as a hero, regardless.
CrunchyFrog
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wait, what?
Yeah, the guy is fucked up, for how he acted personally and how he digested how people treated him. There is something genuine about this that just isn't working. He doesn't get it. He's coming down from the mountain and has no idea how to interact with everyone at ground level.
This is weird.
Like, I want to believe him. I want to like him after all of this. I also hate him on a personal level for ruining lives.
but, I think the penalty he is serving is bullshit. 6 months for confessing and 'catching' Lance with witness testimonies compared to his lifetime ban. His lifetime ban is unjustified for cheating. I don't see it any other way. Levi Leiphemer and Dave Zabriskie get to continue racing (well, Levi was punished (but only because it was an easy out to get Cavendish on the team)) and George Hincapie gets to retire at the perfect time and continue his clothing line. Tyler Hamilton gets awards for co-authoring a book and gets to use that prestige to inflate his training program. The rest of the team also gets to continue on.
There is a fine line between shit Lance has done in his personal life and in his career. He should be punished for doping, not for being an asshole. That's how everyone else was treated.
Travis Tygart... man, honestly, fuck this guy. His handling of this case has been like an old west sheriff, strutting through town like Top Dog for finally catching a notorious outlaw. The ruling is ridiculous and his actions, his demands for Lance to get a ~fair~ punishment for the rules of the sport he broke would crush cycling.
There is so much wrong with this. Lance is obviously wrong. He sucks. He is a sociopath. I do not deny that. I won't support him crushing people. However, there is a complete entanglement of things that he was accused of doing that were considered "cheating," and shit he did off to the sides, directly or indirectly. Lance is being vilified for his person and not his crime.
Pretty fucked up.
This is weird.
Like, I want to believe him. I want to like him after all of this. I also hate him on a personal level for ruining lives.
but, I think the penalty he is serving is bullshit. 6 months for confessing and 'catching' Lance with witness testimonies compared to his lifetime ban. His lifetime ban is unjustified for cheating. I don't see it any other way. Levi Leiphemer and Dave Zabriskie get to continue racing (well, Levi was punished (but only because it was an easy out to get Cavendish on the team)) and George Hincapie gets to retire at the perfect time and continue his clothing line. Tyler Hamilton gets awards for co-authoring a book and gets to use that prestige to inflate his training program. The rest of the team also gets to continue on.
There is a fine line between shit Lance has done in his personal life and in his career. He should be punished for doping, not for being an asshole. That's how everyone else was treated.
Travis Tygart... man, honestly, fuck this guy. His handling of this case has been like an old west sheriff, strutting through town like Top Dog for finally catching a notorious outlaw. The ruling is ridiculous and his actions, his demands for Lance to get a ~fair~ punishment for the rules of the sport he broke would crush cycling.
There is so much wrong with this. Lance is obviously wrong. He sucks. He is a sociopath. I do not deny that. I won't support him crushing people. However, there is a complete entanglement of things that he was accused of doing that were considered "cheating," and shit he did off to the sides, directly or indirectly. Lance is being vilified for his person and not his crime.
Pretty fucked up.
bodyboarder
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I didn't catch it, didn't see the point. If he'd come clean a few years back fine, left it way too late.
If he wasn't doping, he would not have needed to be a douchebag?
onken
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Oh my god Hazel Blears is revolting.
Rocket Scientist
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LOL! He said he deserves to participate in sports again?! What a fucking joke this man is. I feel bad for everyone who thought this man was their hero.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
no, other people who are accused of doping (and probably do) don't go to the same lengths that he does to quash, do they?
what im saying is if he actually truly WASNT doping, he still would have done the same shit because he's an asshole. so him doping isnt the constant here. it is that he's a big jerk.
I think you have your logic backwards.
Mr. Enigma
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The only other person who comes to mind is Roger Clemens. He fought everything he was accused of and beat the government only because the main person they had against him had a slimy track record.
Isn't the big difference that the others actually went in and testified and admitted what they did while Armstrong decided not to? It's easy to say they got sweetheart deals, and I agree that they could have been punished more, but at some point in the last 2 years, they TOLD THE TRUTH and accepted some consequences for it. Lance is STILL lying. So no, I don't buy the notion that he got screwed.
And yes he's going to be the bigger fish to fry. He was the one with the yellow jerseys.
And yes he's going to be the bigger fish to fry. He was the one with the yellow jerseys.
But if he wasn't doping, what would have had to be a jerk about?
Rocket Scientist
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Your guys'debate is pretty pointless it seems.
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