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LATimes: Why Apple fans are really coming to hate Apple software

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jelly

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yep, iTunes sucks and iOS has its own problems, the inability to downgrade being chief among them.

Can't you just restore previous firmware, iTunes dumps old versions in your recycle bin. Then you just force it to use that file. Downloading old versions is the problem if you delete them I imagine.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
iTunes is the worst PC app since RealPlayer. Mobile apps you can use or not, it's doesn't matter that much, but iTunes on PC is an abomination.
 

D6AMIA6N

Member
As an Apple fan, I have to agree, iTunes is awful, even on my modern iMac. It's slow, buggy as hell, just a mess really. Real innovation at Apple is needed in my opinion, not a fucking Apple car or watch. Real innovation with their core products, computers and phones. Everything else they've done lately has been half ass.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
itunes is the only thing I dislike. Everything else is pretty good and overexaggerated when people vaguely hate on them.

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Microsoft is building much better apps for iOS than Apple.

Microsoft.
 
Can't you just restore previous firmware, iTunes dumps old versions in your recycle bin. Then you just force it to use that file. Downloading old versions is the problem if you delete them I imagine.

No, because you can only restore via itunes and apple only "signs" a firmware for short period after a new one releases. Past that period it will only allow you to restore the current version.

if you jailbreak, you can downgrade but I believe thats dependant on whether you backed up some files with cydia or something.

The idea that I have no choice what firmware is best for my device is my number one issue with iOS
 

DedValve

Banned
I absolutely adore my mac and ipad but the moment I had to youtube how to put pdfs on my ipad really ticked me off. So much for usability from apple when the rest of the world understands the simple drag drop.

Now I hope I remember it .
 

Mindwipe

Member
Can't you just restore previous firmware, iTunes dumps old versions in your recycle bin. Then you just force it to use that file. Downloading old versions is the problem if you delete them I imagine.

Only for a few weeks until Apple stops signing the image, and not if there is a bootloader update (which is frequent with a x.0 revision).
 

snacknuts

we all knew her
While I am very happy with OS X, and have been for the eight years or so that I've been using it as my primary OS, I have always hated Apple's preloaded applications. And iOS, for me, is awful.
 

kruis

Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
My biggest problem with iOS and iOS apps how cumbersome file handling is. I have no idea how to download a PDF file from Internet on my iPad. I have no idea how to move CBRs from Comic Zeal into another comic book viewer. Or to move files/copy on my iPad that are linked to various apps to my OneDrive cloud storage.

If Apple wants to sell the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement for offices, you need to be able to do these things in the simplest way possible.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
iTunes and iOS are terrible. I can't believe you need to "mod' iTunes to be able to use an iphone on two different computers and that you can't delete the terrible podcast app on iOS (which is now wasting 7 gigs of space that I cannot delete since they removed file access in 8.3.)

It feels like I bought into the Apple ecosystem way too late, because everything is just so crap nowadays.
 

itxaka

Defeatist
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How is that acceptable? And before someone says it, you shouldn't need unofficial workarounds and 3rd party software so your phone will accept files from different computers.



"It's not fat, it's cultivating mass."

shiiiiiiit, I remember that from my iphone 3g days, what a mess that was. And the horrible strange changes of syncing your library an copying everything from your phone to your pc for no reason!

I hope htat has changed already rigth? somebody mentioned drag and drop, which would be really nice as I dont think you could drag and drop music on the 3g without syncing the whole device.
 

Futureman

Member
I prefer OS X to Windows 10 and Apple makes the best hardware, but yea... I barely use any Apple software. Photos, Camera, Clock, Weather and Messages on the phone and I believe only Messages on my MBP. I only use iMessage because my friends do. I'd prefer to use something cross-platform.
 

NekoFever

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I agree on iTunes being bloated and terrible with an increasingly obtuse UI - they really need to trim it down to just being a music player/manager again. But I like Photos way more than iPhoto.
 
Offhand gripes I've noticed are things like asking you to save or update a password while blocking a page load. Didn't IE6 have this problem and it's something that's been solved for years now? Lots of dumbing down for the user experience. Is it default to have it truncate all URLs so it looks like you're at the root of the site the whole time? Seems like it could build bad habits. No pinning tabs either? Does it even have a code inspector? The little things add up. If I ever had to use it, I'm sure it would be more disappointing.

You can (and should) turn off the URL trunking in the options. You can also pin tabs now. And it has a (quite good) code inspector, once developer mode is enabled in options.

Password prompts DO block page loads though, and it is quite annoying. Actually, it's stranger than that—they sometimes block page loads and sometimes don't; I don't understand it.
 

injurai

Banned
I've hated iTunes for a long time, and hated most Apple software for quite a while. I don't deny the benefits of Apple. Being a unix-like, pretty hardware, OS coded for the hardware. But there are so many detractors it's not even funny.

It's the perfect computer for some, but for me it's miles behind Windows and Linux depending on what I need. About all it's good for to me is looking pretty and being their for multi-media people.
 

AngryMoth

Member
You know the thing I hate the most is their photo management and how it's integrated with icloud. What I would like is to have all my photos stored on my mac and only a specific set of albums stored on my iOS devices to save space. But far as I can tell this isn't possible, I have to keep them as either the full version or an 'optimised' version. I almost deleted my entire photo library by accident last year trying to sort this out, I was horrified when I opened my mac and my desktop background was blank!
 
My biggest problem with iOS and iOS apps how cumbersome file handling is. I have no idea how to download a PDF file from Internet on my iPad. I have no idea how to move CBRs from Comic Zeal into another comic book viewer. Or to move files/copy on my iPad that are linked to various apps to my OneDrive cloud storage.

If Apple wants to sell the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement for offices, you need to be able to do these things in the simplest way possible.

Download Goodreader. Its pretty much a sandboxed file managment system and pdf/video/music reader

Thank me later.
 
iTunes and iOS are terrible. I can't believe you need to "mod' iTunes to be able to use an iphone on two different computers and that you can't delete the terrible podcast app on iOS (which is now wasting 7 gigs of space that I cannot delete since they removed file access in 8.3.)

It feels like I bought into the Apple ecosystem way too late, because everything is just so crap nowadays.

Can't this be handled in Settings > General > Storage & iCloud Usage > Manage Storage?
 

thenexus6

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I gave up on iOS and iPhone back in 2013. I still use OSX for my computer but would be open to change in the future.

Problem is safari is just so smooth on OSX no other browser matches it for me on any other OS.
 

snacknuts

we all knew her
You know the thing I hate the most is their photo management and how it's integrated with icloud. What I would like is to have all my photos stored on my mac and only a specific set of albums stored on my iOS devices to save space. But far as I can tell this isn't possible, I have to keep them as either the full version or an 'optimised' version. I almost deleted my entire photo library by accident last year trying to sort this out, I was horrified when I opened my mac and my desktop background was blank!

iCloud is terrible.
 

Interfectum

Member
Has anyone mentioned the web version of iCloud photos yet? It breaks the images up into pieces so you can just copy/paste to a photo editor and mess with it. It's so fucking dumb. Health Kit is also awful. I've stayed away from iTunes for years now. All my backing up is done via iPhone and I don't sync any music (just use Apple Music for now).

I don't think anyone at Apple actually uses half these programs.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Can't this be handled in Settings > General > Storage & iCloud Usage > Manage Storage?
No, you cannot delete App caches without deleting the App. And since Podcast is a system app, there is literally no way to delete it without formatting the entire phone.

Which wouldn't be a problem if there was a way to do a full backup of the phone for the delisted apps that I own, but since that is impossible, I have to choose between permanently losing 10% of my usable space on my phone or just deleting apps that I can never get again.

I could try jailbreaking at some point to see if I can manually get into the file system to just delete the Podcast app manually (or at least the cache), but since doing a JB requires formatting the phone anyway, that seems to defeat the purpose for me.

It really seems like every update closes the system more and more and makes it harder to fix problems without formatting the phone. That's like asking someone to throw out the entire contents of their house because their kitchen sink is dripping. It's insane.
 

Nicktendo86

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I remember I had an iPod classic, which I loved, and my wife got me an iPod touch (I think it was 4th gen) and I tried to remove the music from my old one so I could put it in ITunes and then sync it to the new one. Took me forever to do it, had to make some special folder or something and go through about a billion steps to do it. Madness.

I don't use that iPod anymore, firmware updates have made it run very, very slow now. It never got upgraded to iOS7 but the security updates it has received has somehow made it run worse, I can only think Apple do it to make you want to upgrade.

It's just far easier to listen to music on my Android phone, Google play music works great and I was an early subscriber for all access so only pay £8 for it. When I had to use my wife's old iPhone 5 for a few months I found just using the Google apps rather than the Apple counterparts made for a much better experience.
 
so so true.
safari sucks
preview sucks hard
itunes is just garbage

i replaced all of these with alternatives over the last 5 years.
 
^ I love Safari.
And while I don't use OSX, all my colleagues working in media have been crying since the transition from Aperture and Final Cut Pro. I was somewhat familiar with FCP and I still can't understand how they could think it was a good idea to move away from such a tremendous, incredibly intuitive video editing platform to the current software. FCP was the tool I envied as a Windows user.

They handled this so poorly. They basically treated enterprise like they're consumers.

"Oh, we're releasing a new version that's completely different with no warning! There's no migration path! And it's missing features!"

It's really unfortunate with all of Apple's Pro apps, because you're basically forced into Adobe's subscription model now. A monopoly.

Meanwhile, Apple seems to be trying their damnest to make MacBooks a slightly more powerful consumption device, judging by the new 12".

As for the apps, the problem on the Mac side is Apple dumbed down all their previously at least aspiring to be competitive iLife and iWork apps so that they had a single code base between iOS and OS X. The issue with that was all of a sudden these apps' feature sets were limited to what's capable on an iOS device.
 

Funky Papa

FUNK-Y-PPA-4
lots of companies are building much better apps for ios than apple...isn't that the point of the app store?

Microsoft used to be ridiculed by Apple for developing cumbersome and buggy software, but specially at a time when Apple's motto was (still is?) "It Just Works". Apple users replacing Apple's core apps with third party options would have been something you couldn't even begin to imagine a few years ago, yet here we are.

I'd say it's fairly revealing.
 

X-Frame

Member
Everything did seem to be a lot more simple a few years ago, but I agree that lots of their apps now need an overhaul or just trash and start again.

I hate the new Photos app. Why does it launch every single time my phone syncs, even if there are no new photos? Am I missing a setting that only launches it if there are new photos in my Camera Roll?

And like others have said I need to be able to delete all these stock crap iOS apps on my phone. It's getting ridiculous that I need a separate folder to hide them all.
 

Ambitious

Member
so so true.
safari sucks
preview sucks hard
itunes is just garbage

i replaced all of these with alternatives over the last 5 years.

What do you use instead of Preview? I tried Readdle's PDF Expert which came out not too long ago, but the performance was unfortunately way worse than Preview, which has terrible performance itself.

Microsoft used to be ridiculed by Apple for developing cumbersome and buggy software, but specially at a time when Apple's motto was (still is?) "It Just Works". Apple users replacing Apple's core apps with third party options would have been something you couldn't even begin to imagine a few years ago, yet here we are.

I'd say it's fairly revealing.

Nowadays, I use "it just works" only ironically. Because not a single Apple app or service "just works" anymore.
 

bill0527

Member
I did this myself and only later found out it was a thing. Stop giving me shitty apps for an asperational life Apple think thier users are living.

I've never been able to understand how Apple gets away with tying so much software to the OS that you can't get rid of.

Didn't Microsoft go through about a decade and a half of anti-trust lawsuits over this very thing?
 

Blackhead

Redarse
lots of companies are building much better apps for ios than apple...isn't that the point of the app store?

Microsoft used to be ridiculed by Apple for developing cumbersome and buggy software, but specially at a time when Apple's motto was (still is?) "It Just Works". Apple users replacing Apple's core apps with third party options would have been something you couldn't even begin to imagine a few years ago, yet here we are.

I'd say it's fairly revealing.
Furthemore when the app store launched Apple banned lots of apps because they "duplicate features that come with the iPhone". And people suported them (without an intervention by the US government Apple might never have relaxed the rules).
 

ngower

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They've been on a downward spiral pretty much since Jobs' death. Not saying there's a one-to-one correlation between the two, but just serves as an easy timestamp for the genesis of their issues.

Most recently, I loathe the iOS Music user interface. I'm going to total my car trying to change a fucking song one of these days. They need to make it simple again.

Also, my Macbook Air was a top of the line model two to three years ago, nearly $2000. Now it chugs when I'm watching a video or have too many tabs open. They NEED to work on their memory usage and make things less clunky and bloated.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
lots of companies are building much better apps for ios than apple...isn't that the point of the app store?

If iOS let you choose default apps rather than force their own then I'd agree and happily move even more of the to my junk folder on the last page.
 
You can (and should) turn off the URL trunking in the options. You can also pin tabs now. And it has a (quite good) code inspector, once developer mode is enabled in options.

Password prompts DO block page loads though, and it is quite annoying. Actually, it's stranger than that—they sometimes block page loads and sometimes don't; I don't understand it.
I should look into the tab pinning stuff for someone then. I couldn't find it.
 

kaskade

Member
I can't say I really have any issues with Safari on iOS or OS X. Photos has been fine for me so far, no real issues and it all syncs well. iTunes needs the real overhaul. I'm sure they know that at that point but hopefully they come out with something new soon.
 
Microsoft used to be ridiculed by Apple for developing cumbersome and buggy software, but specially at a time when Apple's motto was (still is?) "It Just Works". Apple users replacing Apple's core apps with third party options would have been something you couldn't even begin to imagine a few years ago, yet here we are.

I'd say it's fairly revealing.

I'm not sure it's all that revealing, to be honest. The core apple applications still "just work" with some feature changes here and there. But they're pretty basic and intentionally straight-forward. The hardcore (I'd consider people who post here to be fairly advanced at these things) can and will seek out the hardcore apps that are capable of replacing the default. You can replace the Calculator with a fancy graphing calculator app. You can drop Photos for some other image app I guess. I'm using Waze and Google Maps instead of the default maps app.

I think the default apps are nice for casual usage and remain approachable and useful for everyone. If you want more robust features or something specific, well that's what the app store has always been for. Nothing new about that.

Personally I think it's pretty cool that 3rd party apps are thriving. It's good for the ecosystem.
 
I absolutely adore my mac and ipad but the moment I had to youtube how to put pdfs on my ipad really ticked me off. So much for usability from apple when the rest of the world understands the simple drag drop.

Now I hope I remember it .
This. No more iPads for me. Going Surface Pro later this year.
 
I'm not sure it's all that revealing, to be honest. The core apple applications still "just work" with some feature changes here and there. But they're pretty basic and intentionally straight-forward. The hardcore (I'd consider people who post here to be fairly advanced at these things) can and will seek out the hardcore apps that are capable of replacing the default. You can replace the Calculator with a fancy graphing calculator app. You can drop Photos for some other image app I guess. I'm using Waze and Google Maps instead of the default maps app.

I think the default apps are nice for casual usage and remain approachable and useful for everyone. If you want more robust features or something specific, well that's what the app store has always been for. Nothing new about that.

Personally I think it's pretty cool that 3rd party apps are thriving. It's good for the ecosystem.

The god awful podcast and Music apps say otherwise. They're not bad because they're too simple, they're bad because they're awful.
 

Dinjoralo

Member
This thread is making me very happy that my parents gave me an Android phone for graduating high school instead of an iPhone.

My main memories of using Apple stuff come from all the computers in my schools being iMacs, and even then I ran into annoying bullshit. If it's gone downhill since then, hoo boy. I'll stick with what I have.
 

btrboyev

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Can't you just restore previous firmware, iTunes dumps old versions in your recycle bin. Then you just force it to use that file. Downloading old versions is the problem if you delete them I imagine.

No. Apple stops verifying old IOS version relatively quickly.
 
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