King Gilga
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Yer, hating using itunes for my iphone 4, hated.
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LATimes: Why Apple fans are really coming to hate Apple software
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Marty Chinn
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This. It's my biggest annoyance of the OS. It forced me to leave after they replaced Google Maps and I'd consider coming back if they ever fix this problem.
If you're looking for a tablet replacement, I'd be cautious of the Surface Pro. While I like using the Surface Pro, every time I switch to tablet mode, it's not a great experience. It doesn't even have a decent browser in tablet mode. A lot of apps are lacking for full screen touch mode. Not even all the major ones are there. Every time I want to use it as a tablet, I end up going back to my iPad mini instead or usability.
Too bad you can't upgrade the RAM on that machine.
Autumn Wind
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I like El Capitan overall but I have to say that if Apple doesn't update the Mac mini soon, I will be getting a quad-core NUC with Iris Pro 580.
I found upgrading the ram helped a lot too. OSX is pretty much useless with less than 8GB of RAM IMO.
The biggest problem with OSX for me is the window management. I find after a few hours of use, my desktop becomes really cluttered up and it becomes difficult to find different windows. I honestly can't believe Apple hasn't improved the window management since the initial release of OSX 15 years ago. In this aspect Windows is far ahead and much more user friendly than OSX.
Adobe's free PDF client syncs with its mobile app.
The 10.5 implementation of Exposé/Spaces was great, I think. Not perfect, but great. But they just had to ruin it.
Killing_Joke
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iTunes is literally the only reason why i won't go for the phone.
Sapiens
Member
Oh, god, this has been true for years, but there are actually more apple users now to complain about it. Core Apple apps have always been mediocre and we've had to depend on amazing companies like Panic and the like to fill the gaps.
I have no issues with the OS at all though and find it a more comfortable environment than my win 7 machines. As far as development goes, I prefer having direct access to the terminal and all the joy that comes with it. No problems developing on a mac and then deploying to a ubuntu server.
As far as mobile goes, I'm still not sold on Android. Maybe I'll try it again soon.
I have no issues with the OS at all though and find it a more comfortable environment than my win 7 machines. As far as development goes, I prefer having direct access to the terminal and all the joy that comes with it. No problems developing on a mac and then deploying to a ubuntu server.
As far as mobile goes, I'm still not sold on Android. Maybe I'll try it again soon.
Tragicomedy
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I don't use a lot of Apple apps on my iPhone, but I'm fine stashing them into a crap folder.
iTunes is completely unacceptable, though. There are so many freaking bugs, shortcomings, and plain inexcusable design choices. I mean, it deletes entire music collections because it can't figure out multiple libraries or versioning.
Hell, I tried downloading albums to my phone to listen to on a road trip. They are saved on the phone, but the app refuses to show them when I tell it to only display downloaded stuff for offline play. Huh? Spotify does that with zero issues.
Finally, I turned off the use of cellular data in the iOS settings for iMusic. And yet every damn time I get in my car and the Bluetooth syncs up, it immediately starts playing stuff I haven't downloaded using cell data. I could be in a mall parking lot miles away from a wifi signal and it starts streaming music.
Fuck iTunes. Back to Spotify I go.
Unrelated: should I use Google Maps over Apple's offering for driving directions?
iTunes is completely unacceptable, though. There are so many freaking bugs, shortcomings, and plain inexcusable design choices. I mean, it deletes entire music collections because it can't figure out multiple libraries or versioning.
Hell, I tried downloading albums to my phone to listen to on a road trip. They are saved on the phone, but the app refuses to show them when I tell it to only display downloaded stuff for offline play. Huh? Spotify does that with zero issues.
Finally, I turned off the use of cellular data in the iOS settings for iMusic. And yet every damn time I get in my car and the Bluetooth syncs up, it immediately starts playing stuff I haven't downloaded using cell data. I could be in a mall parking lot miles away from a wifi signal and it starts streaming music.
Fuck iTunes. Back to Spotify I go.
Unrelated: should I use Google Maps over Apple's offering for driving directions?
Wowfunhappy
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You literally just right click on a tab -> pin tab.
It was added somewhat recently (although I don't remember when; it's not something I use very often), so that's probably why you missed it before.
Wowfunhappy
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Funny thing is, I find window management on OS X to be vastly easier than Windows, due to the easy access to mission control and application window views. I know Windows has gotten some of these features more recently, but up until Windows 10, they've never felt quite as easily accessible, especially on laptops with trackpads.
What specific problems have you had with window management in OS X? The only thing I can think of is snapping, which I find to be kind of crap (it hinders my ability to organize windows manually by snapping to half-screen as soon as I move a window toward the side).
Sir Abacus
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Oh never mind, I can't read this morning or any morning.
Huh? Mission Control only came out 2 years ago for OSX while Windows 7 had Aero snap, 3D flip etc ages back. Sure they didn't have multitouch trackpads with gestures a decade ago but those window management features were still easily accesible with mousing to the edge of the screen (Mac had hot corners).
I dont like snapping either and Aero was ugly but Microsft did it first and better
um, expose came out way before windows 7...
Apple scrapped Expose for new windows management system with gesture controlled Mission Control which is what the OP claims he prefers?
That's the tune with MS/Apple on each-others platforms, isn't it?
As noted, Mission Control was basically a rebranding of Exposè, and of all the things that OS X has done better than Windows, it's windows management (virtual desktops were rolled out as Spaces, and didn't involve the kind of hack that Windows did to get similar functionality). I think the changes to Spaces has made it a little worse in El Capitan since the top of the screen is now a hot spot (I.e., you may accidentally trigger the creation of a new Space accidentally), and that's a high traffic area for most users.
There's still no Windows equivalent of being able to just see the windows for a particular app at a quick glance. The 3D flip view in Windows is generally kind of worthless on Windows; it's nice to look at, but a little slow compared to the traditional Alt+Tab, and doesn't really provide any real additional context except in very particular scenarios. Window snapping isn't something I find particularly useful beyond being able to quickly maximize a window via the keyboard shortcut.
OS X has long had superior Windows management IMO.
infiniteloop
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You can in 2015.
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Is Google Maps/Navigation as good on Apple devices as it is on Android? If so, I don't know why you wouldn't use it. It blows Apple Maps away.
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I love my MacBook Pro and iPhone 6S Plus, but I do get where people are coming from. I don't remember the last time I used iTunes though. Probably when I first got my 6S Plus. I stream via Spotify and soon will probably switch to Apple Music, because Spotify takes forever to get new music and they don't get deluxe albums of somethings. I wish Apple would scrap iTunes and come up with a Apple Music app for Mac. I like the Safari integration between my Mac and iPhone. Also the iMessage integration between my devices. If I'm on my MacBook and receive a text or a phone call or Favetime I can answer that all right there.
Hopefully though with iOS 10 later this year and the new iPhone 7 (iOS X is probably what it'll be called), Apple will have big changes to both software and hardware. Let me delete apps I don't want on my device so I can save memory. 64GB iPhones are way too expensive the standard should be 32GB.
I also love my Google apps. Google Photos is one of the best apps ever. All my photos are there from and they go back years. No need to worry about a limit like iCloud, with Google photos all my photos and videos are automatically sync on there and it has infinite space. Gmail is still the best mail app as well. I don't use Chrome anymore as it runs like shit on Mac and the integration between Safari on your Mac and iOS device is just too good. Safari is becoming a really good browser. Now I just hope it gets as fast or faster than Chrome is still the fastest browser around.
As for the people complaining about updates ruining their iPhones, I don't have any experience of that. I don't keep a phone for more than two years. Any phone older than two years will run like shit. I don't think that's an Apple problem, that's just electronics in general. I'm on my 6S Plus and love it, and will get the 7 Plus when it releases and stick to that for two years probably. I can never keep a phone for more than two years, that's pushing it.
Hopefully though with iOS 10 later this year and the new iPhone 7 (iOS X is probably what it'll be called), Apple will have big changes to both software and hardware. Let me delete apps I don't want on my device so I can save memory. 64GB iPhones are way too expensive the standard should be 32GB.
I also love my Google apps. Google Photos is one of the best apps ever. All my photos are there from and they go back years. No need to worry about a limit like iCloud, with Google photos all my photos and videos are automatically sync on there and it has infinite space. Gmail is still the best mail app as well. I don't use Chrome anymore as it runs like shit on Mac and the integration between Safari on your Mac and iOS device is just too good. Safari is becoming a really good browser. Now I just hope it gets as fast or faster than Chrome is still the fastest browser around.
As for the people complaining about updates ruining their iPhones, I don't have any experience of that. I don't keep a phone for more than two years. Any phone older than two years will run like shit. I don't think that's an Apple problem, that's just electronics in general. I'm on my 6S Plus and love it, and will get the 7 Plus when it releases and stick to that for two years probably. I can never keep a phone for more than two years, that's pushing it.
I use Waze. Love it.
Again Windows 7 had thumbnail taskbar previews. It's even better on Windows because it can account for browser tabs as well while ironically Alt-Tab on OSX only did windows.
And again I don't care for snaps, I dont think Windows was pretty, but Windows has always had pretty advanced windows management
AstroNut325
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Wait... Really? Crap. I thought SP4 would be the perfect tablet. But if the apps and user experience in tablet mode are terrible then what's the point?
I just want an iPad with drag and drop for pics, movies, and documents.
iTunes is so bad that I've just switched to streaming music only from Spotify. It's too confusing to figure out what I can and cannot sync between devices. And god forbid if you get new PC hardware and forget to transfer your iTunes to the new PC - Apple will make you wipe your iOS devices to sync to the new PC. It's utterly ridiculous and very anti-consumer. The ONLY reason I use iTunes is so I can put custom ringtones on my phone. If I have to drag/drop media files onto my iphone, I use the 'VLC' app.
If the iphone wasn't such a good way for me to stay in touch with my family (all of whom use iOS), I'd ditch it in a second.
If the iphone wasn't such a good way for me to stay in touch with my family (all of whom use iOS), I'd ditch it in a second.
GeordieMark
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I'm in the iTunes sucks camp and agree standards have slipped in general. I hate the latest version and find it a bit of a pain to use, especially as I'm not really interested in Apple Music. The shovelware they keep downloading to my iPhone is also a real drag, made worse by the fact that iPhones still have really crap storage. Storage is at a premium on my phone and I'd rather like to control what apps are using up the space. There is no need whatsoever for me to have an iWatch app when I don't have an iWatch and don't plan on getting one.
I do think the fact that Windows is generally pretty good these days is also a factor in the perception that Apple software has gone downhill though. The gap between OSX and Windows that existed in the Vista days is long gone, and if anything, Windows is now the better OS in my opinion. That said, Apple laptops are still great so I won't be switching anytime soon, or at least not until the Surface Book is available in the UK.
I do think the fact that Windows is generally pretty good these days is also a factor in the perception that Apple software has gone downhill though. The gap between OSX and Windows that existed in the Vista days is long gone, and if anything, Windows is now the better OS in my opinion. That said, Apple laptops are still great so I won't be switching anytime soon, or at least not until the Surface Book is available in the UK.
Have you used Windows 10?
Mammoth Jones
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If Google would honor my itunes movie purchases and music I'd consider switching. But until then no way am I leaving.
But I don't have much of the problems people seem to have with iTunes. But I use it on a macbook. Sad it's still shit on Windows. It's 2015. iTunes needs to be platform agnostic to maintain support.
Spotify's UI and experience is far superior in my opinion.
But I don't have much of the problems people seem to have with iTunes. But I use it on a macbook. Sad it's still shit on Windows. It's 2015. iTunes needs to be platform agnostic to maintain support.
Spotify's UI and experience is far superior in my opinion.
Wiz
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So I'm pretty much full in on the Apple ecosystem (iPhone 6, iPad Air 1, and Macbook Pro).
In general, most of their apps get the job done, but many are poorly desinged and are missing key features. The main reason I still use them though, is for the integration they provide between all three devices. It really is a huge benefit and convenience.
I'll go thru each for the hell of it.
Safari - Great: IMO, best browser on both iOS and OSX. Handles web pages reasonably well, and is very smooth especially on OSX. Could be better on iOS. Not memory friendly for my iPhone 6 at all.
Mail - Bad: I still use the mail app, but if there were a better all in one app that could have the same integration between all my devices, I'd take it. Mail is just...not that good at syncing stuff for me. It just feels so stale to use, and is lacking in a lot of features. What's worse is, it feels like Apple is taking it backwards with each update.
Music - Very Bad: If it wasn't for a convenience of having my local music + streaming library all in one place, I'd go back to using Spotify. Fact of the matter is, the music app on iOS is just a mess. There's too much going on, it's really wonky and complicated and hard to do what I want to do. I have to navigate through so much just to play a song or find an album/artist. Not even gonna start on iTunes. lol. Straight trash even on Mac. This thread has summed up my thoughts.
Photos - Bad: Lol, what is even the OSX Photos app? Like, how am I even supposed to use this? I tried it once, hated it and never went back. It's way to oversimplified and for a desktop photos app, that's not what I want at all. It's like they took the iOS app (which isn't that bad) and oversized it. The one positive to using the photos app is all my pictures sync fairly quickly between my devices, which is why I still use it.
Notes - Good: This is actually one of my most used apps, and I think it's really improved over the years. Syncing is kinda wonky at times but done well, the newer features are obvious but welcome additions (formatting, folders, etc) and it mostly does what I want it to do.
Maps - Average: Hear me out on this one!! The maps app actually improved a lot, and I don't know why I'm still using it when Google Maps is far superior, but I am. And I just don't see any reason to switch. I guess I'm lazy. The directions it gives are good, but the only thing I don't like is it's not really up to date on traffic conditions. Maybe I will switch back to Google maps, but for now Maps is actually holding it down for me.
Messages - Great: Never had any problems using messages, and in particular iMessage. Sometimes group messages can be glitchy, but for the most part the app does what I want it to do. Integration on OSX is what really pushes this app ahead for me. Love answering messages using my Macbook. Saves a lot of time.
Calendar - Bad: I'm not really a calendar person, but if I was, I wouldn't be using this app. But the way it's built into the OS, it kinda forces me to use it.
Facetime - Good: No huge offenses with Facetime, besides the sometimes shaky video quality, but maybe it's just my bad connection. Overall, it works fine and is one of my most used apps on iOS.
Reminders - Bad: I really hate using this app lol. It's just badly designed IMO, really hard to set up a reminder. I mostly ask Siri to set up reminders for me, which is one of her best uses and the only reason I still deal with this app.
Podcasts - Good: One of my most used apps, and despite what some might say, I actually like it. I find it easy to play, track and discover new podcasts.
Can't really think of any huge red flags in this app, but I'm sure others will.
iBooks - Average: I use the kindle app over this one, and that's mostly because I don't like buying things through the iBooks store. I just feel that kindle has a far superior library and prices. And it's a more mature app with better features, so it wins the battle for me. In my use, it hasn't been that bad.
News - Average: On one hand, I love having a central place for all my news. On the other hand, this app just doesn't handle it well for me. Again, it might be my bad connection, but articles take forever to load and overall the app is not very smooth at all. I just don't have a good experience reading articles in this app. Would like a replacement that does this better.
The rest: Not worth mentioning for me. Either they are harmless and simple enough to use (Calculator, Clock) or I just don't use them (anything else). I wont include the professional apps since most aren't using them, but I will say Logic Pro X is Apple's best in terms of software. Love it.
So in short: Some good, some average, some bad. But overall their software is really not anything to write home about. A lot of improvements need to be made, and for some, they need to be burned and rebuilt. I still use a lot of them because of the continuity and convenience factor, which really trumps some of the negatives I have.
In general, most of their apps get the job done, but many are poorly desinged and are missing key features. The main reason I still use them though, is for the integration they provide between all three devices. It really is a huge benefit and convenience.
I'll go thru each for the hell of it.
Safari - Great: IMO, best browser on both iOS and OSX. Handles web pages reasonably well, and is very smooth especially on OSX. Could be better on iOS. Not memory friendly for my iPhone 6 at all.
Mail - Bad: I still use the mail app, but if there were a better all in one app that could have the same integration between all my devices, I'd take it. Mail is just...not that good at syncing stuff for me. It just feels so stale to use, and is lacking in a lot of features. What's worse is, it feels like Apple is taking it backwards with each update.
Music - Very Bad: If it wasn't for a convenience of having my local music + streaming library all in one place, I'd go back to using Spotify. Fact of the matter is, the music app on iOS is just a mess. There's too much going on, it's really wonky and complicated and hard to do what I want to do. I have to navigate through so much just to play a song or find an album/artist. Not even gonna start on iTunes. lol. Straight trash even on Mac. This thread has summed up my thoughts.
Photos - Bad: Lol, what is even the OSX Photos app? Like, how am I even supposed to use this? I tried it once, hated it and never went back. It's way to oversimplified and for a desktop photos app, that's not what I want at all. It's like they took the iOS app (which isn't that bad) and oversized it. The one positive to using the photos app is all my pictures sync fairly quickly between my devices, which is why I still use it.
Notes - Good: This is actually one of my most used apps, and I think it's really improved over the years. Syncing is kinda wonky at times but done well, the newer features are obvious but welcome additions (formatting, folders, etc) and it mostly does what I want it to do.
Maps - Average: Hear me out on this one!! The maps app actually improved a lot, and I don't know why I'm still using it when Google Maps is far superior, but I am. And I just don't see any reason to switch. I guess I'm lazy. The directions it gives are good, but the only thing I don't like is it's not really up to date on traffic conditions. Maybe I will switch back to Google maps, but for now Maps is actually holding it down for me.
Messages - Great: Never had any problems using messages, and in particular iMessage. Sometimes group messages can be glitchy, but for the most part the app does what I want it to do. Integration on OSX is what really pushes this app ahead for me. Love answering messages using my Macbook. Saves a lot of time.
Calendar - Bad: I'm not really a calendar person, but if I was, I wouldn't be using this app. But the way it's built into the OS, it kinda forces me to use it.
Facetime - Good: No huge offenses with Facetime, besides the sometimes shaky video quality, but maybe it's just my bad connection. Overall, it works fine and is one of my most used apps on iOS.
Reminders - Bad: I really hate using this app lol. It's just badly designed IMO, really hard to set up a reminder. I mostly ask Siri to set up reminders for me, which is one of her best uses and the only reason I still deal with this app.
Podcasts - Good: One of my most used apps, and despite what some might say, I actually like it. I find it easy to play, track and discover new podcasts.
Can't really think of any huge red flags in this app, but I'm sure others will.
iBooks - Average: I use the kindle app over this one, and that's mostly because I don't like buying things through the iBooks store. I just feel that kindle has a far superior library and prices. And it's a more mature app with better features, so it wins the battle for me. In my use, it hasn't been that bad.
News - Average: On one hand, I love having a central place for all my news. On the other hand, this app just doesn't handle it well for me. Again, it might be my bad connection, but articles take forever to load and overall the app is not very smooth at all. I just don't have a good experience reading articles in this app. Would like a replacement that does this better.
The rest: Not worth mentioning for me. Either they are harmless and simple enough to use (Calculator, Clock) or I just don't use them (anything else). I wont include the professional apps since most aren't using them, but I will say Logic Pro X is Apple's best in terms of software. Love it.
So in short: Some good, some average, some bad. But overall their software is really not anything to write home about. A lot of improvements need to be made, and for some, they need to be burned and rebuilt. I still use a lot of them because of the continuity and convenience factor, which really trumps some of the negatives I have.
diffusionx
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Safari is great, on both platforms. No complaints.
iTunes is bad. It's actually gotten worse since the redesign. I don't ever hook it up my iPhone, though, so I just use it for listening to and buying music on my Mac. But I would rather use my iPhone to listen to music.
That said, the iOS Music app is really frustrating. I loved it when I got my first iPod Touch, back in the iOS 2 days. It's just gotten worse. I don't like the way the music panel pops up and it doesn't flow well. The radio has also regressed from the iTunes Radio of old. I have a Pandora sub now.
Maps works great for me. Apple pulled it together nicely.
iCloud has always worked very well for me. Everything syncs nicely. This goes for everything. I use Keychain, I use Photos, Messages, it all works perfectly. Even the Music stuff, it just works.
Siri works pretty well, but it was so bad at launch (I got a 4S). I'd probably use it more if I actually got into the habit of using it back in the day.
iOS 8 was really bad. It reminded me of Windows, in that all this weird stuff would happen for no reason and I needed to reboot to fix it. iOS 9 is a lot better, but it's still not the fast smooth stable Snow Leopard type fix-up I thought it would be.
I use both Mac OS and Windows 10, and Windows is as close to OS X as it ever has been. But that isn't necessarily a knock on OS X, it's a perfectly functional and capable OS that I do like using.
I wonder if the problem is that Apple has gotten so big, good programmers and designers and managers are hard to find and in such high demand, there's no way they could get top tier people for all of these things. It's not like Google and Microsoft and Amazon and everyone else hasn't run into these issues (look at how Youtube Gaming is doing). And I doubt people are knocking down the door to go work on iTunes, so the program just kind of stagnates...
iTunes is bad. It's actually gotten worse since the redesign. I don't ever hook it up my iPhone, though, so I just use it for listening to and buying music on my Mac. But I would rather use my iPhone to listen to music.
That said, the iOS Music app is really frustrating. I loved it when I got my first iPod Touch, back in the iOS 2 days. It's just gotten worse. I don't like the way the music panel pops up and it doesn't flow well. The radio has also regressed from the iTunes Radio of old. I have a Pandora sub now.
Maps works great for me. Apple pulled it together nicely.
iCloud has always worked very well for me. Everything syncs nicely. This goes for everything. I use Keychain, I use Photos, Messages, it all works perfectly. Even the Music stuff, it just works.
Siri works pretty well, but it was so bad at launch (I got a 4S). I'd probably use it more if I actually got into the habit of using it back in the day.
iOS 8 was really bad. It reminded me of Windows, in that all this weird stuff would happen for no reason and I needed to reboot to fix it. iOS 9 is a lot better, but it's still not the fast smooth stable Snow Leopard type fix-up I thought it would be.
I use both Mac OS and Windows 10, and Windows is as close to OS X as it ever has been. But that isn't necessarily a knock on OS X, it's a perfectly functional and capable OS that I do like using.
I wonder if the problem is that Apple has gotten so big, good programmers and designers and managers are hard to find and in such high demand, there's no way they could get top tier people for all of these things. It's not like Google and Microsoft and Amazon and everyone else hasn't run into these issues (look at how Youtube Gaming is doing). And I doubt people are knocking down the door to go work on iTunes, so the program just kind of stagnates...
Marty Chinn
Member
Windows 10 took a step back from Windows 8 as far as the tablet experience goes. It's definitely desktop primary with tablet a distant secondary at the moment. I think the whole backlash against Windows 8 made them focus on the desktop aspect and put the tablet stuff on the back burner. Hell, switching to tablet mode on the Surface Pro is off by default which to me is totally bizarre. You have to dig in to the settings to enable stuff like the on screen keyboard to show up automatically and the interface to switch to tablet mode when you remove the keyboard.
Chrome is terrible when it comes to touch scrolling. Edge feels incomplete but will probably get there in a few revisions. So browsing is just not good in tablet mode which is one of the primary things I want to use a tablet for. Just the other day I thought I'd try to read comics on it and it doesn't even have a Comixology app. So it feels like a lot of big name apps just don't exist which means you're stuck with the desktop version instead of a tablet app.
I think the point of it is a nice light laptop capable that you can also use a stylus for taking notes and drawing. My wife uses hers to take into meetings.
Ack, forgot about that.
The taskbar previews are fine for browser tabs (as you noted), but as someone who's on the software side of things, that's not useful for, say, trying to sort out which instance of Visual Studio I should be referring to. It also requires you to use your mouse and navigate tot the taskbar whereas in OS you can simply use a gesture, a mouse button or a keyboard shortcut, so that tends to be a much smoother process for me.
You're right about browser tabs on OS X though. I'm not a super heavy tab user (I tend to group tabs into windows based on intent, like research, later reading, etc), so it's less of an issue for my situation.
I'm still not sure if Windows 10 has made virtual desktops/spaces more readily accessible. I think they were going to with Windows 10, but I've sort of moved away a bit from virtual desktops of late so I'm not sure if that's the case or not.
FonkyByNature
Member
I recently got an iPhone 6S and can't agree more.
iTunes is really bad user experience wise. The whole thing is a mess, even little things like fast forwarding a track can be a pain to use with fingers, it's just laggy and unprecise.
For a big company like Apple, especially one that talks about how great their stuff works, their software should have the best user experience but very often it's not.
The lack of a Comixology app is pretty much the main thing stopping me from buying a Surface book. It eliminates my major use case.
I received my first Apple product for Xmas just gone (iPod Classic 160gb) and started using iTunes for the first time and it was a nightmare (this was on my Windows PC). In those first few weeks I had already botched up my library by having 2800 duplicates, songs from the store not downloading because I "have them" yet they "cannot be found" when I try to play them. I had to manually copy my music folder and put it somewhere else then delete everything and then point it to the new folder and re-sync. For some reason I lost a lot of music on my iPod due to this. I wish updating your library was as simple as Winamp where it just checks for changfes to a folder rather than me having to point to individual folders.
I only wanted an iPod because I was sick of constantly managing my 4gb Sanza Fuse mp3 player but this experience reminded me of why I had been a latecomer to iPods. iTunes is terrible but even worse to newcomers.
I only wanted an iPod because I was sick of constantly managing my 4gb Sanza Fuse mp3 player but this experience reminded me of why I had been a latecomer to iPods. iTunes is terrible but even worse to newcomers.
Shpeshal Nick
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iTunes doesn't really bother me much anymore. I've just gotten used to it I guess.
I think it's stupidity though that devices are tied to specific libraries/computers. Not sure which fucking genius decided that was a good idea.
I think it's stupidity though that devices are tied to specific libraries/computers. Not sure which fucking genius decided that was a good idea.
Junior Mint
Member
iTunes is straight up trash. Like having your phone wiped because you got a new computer is ridiculous. Also, locking your phone to a single computer is just hilariously stupid. I have a work iPhone where I have to make the choice between backing up to my work laptop and not have any of my music or have my music but have to back up a work phone to my personal computer.
The all or nothing approach with Apple Music also sucks ass; if you don't want every single piece of music you own to be uploaded to the cloud you literally cannot save songs nor create playlists in Apple Music. Switched back to Spotify right away after my free trial ended.
The all or nothing approach with Apple Music also sucks ass; if you don't want every single piece of music you own to be uploaded to the cloud you literally cannot save songs nor create playlists in Apple Music. Switched back to Spotify right away after my free trial ended.
AstroNut325
Member
This is good to know. Thank you.
I'll test the SP4 more before pulling the trigger. Especially in tablet mode.
If I don't like it I'll stick with the iPad.
to some extent i agree, but i think that's as much to do with the turnaround at microsoft as it is with any putative decline in the quality of apple's output
CrudeDiatribe
Member
They didn't scrap it, they rolled it into Mission Control which did more (but not as well until 10.11). The functions could still be bound to keys and mouse buttons like Exposé has had since 2003 (5-button mouse FTW).
Microsoft's software for iOS and Mac is way better than (most of) Apple's software for Windows. iCloud doesn't give us much problems on the PCs at work, but everyone hates Quicktime and iTunes.
Last few versions of Mac Office weren't particularly good (Excel especially lacked features), but the latest is great.
kavanf1
Member
Couldn't agree more. I've been working up the courage for months to transfer my entire music library to MediaMonkey, but I just can't face it. iTunes is a horrible piece of shit and it seems to get worse with every release. I have no idea why they keep changing shit around seemingly just for the sake of it.
sechsterangriff
Member
Actually I'm coming to hate Apple because of its hardware. They used to be well built over-expensive laptops. But now all "Retina" laptops are now just unexpandable over-expensive laptops.
InfiniteBento
Member
I just switched to an iPhone finally and I loathe the core apps on this thing. They feel really clunky to me.
CrudeDiatribe
Member
My recollection is that it and Lightroom shipped so closely together and both were very well received and then Adobe iterated on Lightroom much faster than Apple did with Aperture especially with respect to performance, and people just switched to Lightroom for that reason.
I didn't, because I've always hated LR's UI, and now I'm salty as fuck because Aperture has been shitcanned. Performance was always good enough between my SLR's MP count and having PowerMac/Mac Pros. Need to earnestly test out Capture One because I think it's a lot closer to Aperture UI than Lightroom is.
I know that, I even mentioned hot corners in my original reply to OP. Direct your comments to the OP perhaps as he's the one enamoured with the trackpad Mission Control system.
Anyway, back on topic
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