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Le Pen says 'world peace' would gain from a Trump-Putin-Le Pen trio
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Gentleman Jack
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Well at least the comintern hasn't changed much. :/
No chance she gets over 50% in the second round. The left and right have always united against the FN to nullify them, it's one of the only things they can agree on although the recent terrorist attacks, underwhelming candidates and voter apathy will make it too close for comfort next year.
Insane Metal
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Goddamn it. WTF is going on with the world? :|
"No chance" is what people said about Trump. Tread carefully.
Hashmal_Bringer_of_Order
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Who can save us?
Punished Germany: A redeemed nation robbed of his future.
Punished Germany: A redeemed nation robbed of his future.
Mysterious
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All the opponents are centre-left and centre-right though.
Apples and oranges. If there was a US presidential election round 2, two weeks later with just the top 2 candidates from the 1st round like with France, Trump would lose by a lot. It's a great wake up call for many.
harriet the spy
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Though I am worried about the french election - I kind of have to agree. There isn't as much of an anti-intellectual movement in France as there is in the US (though Le Pen is not as much of a dolt as Trump).
The only hope of Le Pen would be to manage to create massive resentment towards the alternative candidate (from the left if it ends up being right wing and vice versa)
Maybe a turbo-boosted Sarkozy or Melenchon.
But overall, I am more hopeful about the French election than I was about the US one.
harriet the spy
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What about him? He has a chance, though being seen as incredibly ambitious might hurt him.
iRAWRasaurus
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China, Japan, India, Canada and Germany are the new allies!
Some of the hyperbole in this thread is astounding. I'm fairly sure every western leader since 1945 has been compared to Hitler at some point or another. If you seriously believe that a Le Pen victory would mean a "new Axis Powers" then you would benefit a lot from opening a history book.
It's like a mirror image of when Obama got elected and people on the right screamed that he was the antichrist, Hitler, or some sign of the end times. I'm not saying Trump = Obama, but the reactions of those on the opposite side of the aisle to each of them, justified or not, are eerily similar.
The sky isn't falling. World War III will never happen, ever. You won't be playing Fallout 4 in real life. The biggest consequence of these changes in leadership will be the eroding of civil rights advancements made in the past decade. While tragic, especially for those directly affected by said changes, it's not equivalent to a war between major powers, which is almost a laughable concept in this day and age.
It's like a mirror image of when Obama got elected and people on the right screamed that he was the antichrist, Hitler, or some sign of the end times. I'm not saying Trump = Obama, but the reactions of those on the opposite side of the aisle to each of them, justified or not, are eerily similar.
The sky isn't falling. World War III will never happen, ever. You won't be playing Fallout 4 in real life. The biggest consequence of these changes in leadership will be the eroding of civil rights advancements made in the past decade. While tragic, especially for those directly affected by said changes, it's not equivalent to a war between major powers, which is almost a laughable concept in this day and age.
That's what I'd like to know. Do people on here like him? Does he have a chance at all?
AcademicSaucer
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All the people saying china is the good guy now are being sarcastic right?
Dude, this is the same thing people said with regards to Brexit; I was one of those people saying that. Just because the situations aren't different doesn't mean you don't have to be fearful of the far right in your country. It's sweeping all of Europe, as well as the US. It doesn't help that Hollande's approval is in the shitter right now.
Just be careful, alright? Don't trust any security. 2016 was the year where "impossible" happened. A lot.
It'll be paifull to see Sarkozy trying to play the anti-establishment card if he win the primary.
When it comes to Global Warming it's true. China has great interest in genuinly pursuing counter measures.
Can't fucking believe China will end up being the only "progressive" nation left in the world.
Great Britain, for all it's Brexit fuckery, at least didn't end up with such an extreme government like Trump.
Or am I wrong, UKGAF? I mean, Theresa May isn't Cameron, but despite her having to go through the motions of Brexit, she doesn't seem to want to reverse most of what Cameron and Labour achieved in the last decades. At least she's not Nigel Farage.
We're left with Canada, Germany, China, Scandinavia, Ireland, Italy? Brazil is a clusterfuck.
Japan, who knows what is going on. South Korea is having it's own problems, although I think that's a center-right government.
Great Britain, for all it's Brexit fuckery, at least didn't end up with such an extreme government like Trump.
Or am I wrong, UKGAF? I mean, Theresa May isn't Cameron, but despite her having to go through the motions of Brexit, she doesn't seem to want to reverse most of what Cameron and Labour achieved in the last decades. At least she's not Nigel Farage.
We're left with Canada, Germany, China, Scandinavia, Ireland, Italy? Brazil is a clusterfuck.
Japan, who knows what is going on. South Korea is having it's own problems, although I think that's a center-right government.
harriet the spy
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I suspect GAF is too leftist to really like him. He is the embodiment of a centrist. Which makes passing the first round hard for him - the left will want to elect a socialist, and the right will probably go for juppe. But paradoxically (as usual), he would probably win against either of the socialist/republican candidates in the election.If early polls showed him defeating the right wing candidate, I could see right wing people in France rallying behind him. I doubt leftist voters would.
So I guess, he has a chance, but I'd say it's pretty small?
harriet the spy
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She threw that racist ass under the bus to appear more moderate, which is a slightly different strategy from Brexit/Trump. But the French are a different from "Anglo-Saxons", so I wonder if it will pay off. I don't think so, though.
For Europeans this is fucking real. There's already a war in Ukraine. There are enough hints that Putin is actively destabilizing Europe.
Mass_Pincup
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If we get Sarkozy-Le Pen or Hollande-Le Pen (as unlikely as it is right now) I wouldn't be so sure.
As far as the EU goes, only the German chancellor is more powerful.
As far as France goes, you see what people say about the American GodEmperor?
That's actually a better representation of the French presidential power.
Melenchon is the most useless politician dickhead France has right now.
I'm not even joking, he's an idiot without a plan or a base.
He'll get crushed like always and cry about the revolution.
probably not. Right now all her paths to victory rely on blunders from other parties.
What a disgusting human being. Damn, why the world is getting more and more crazy each day?
My only hope is that since it will be 2017 the elections, the world won't do something stupid and allow this idiot to be the next president of France. Unlike 2016 in which... Ah, fuck 2016.
My only hope is that since it will be 2017 the elections, the world won't do something stupid and allow this idiot to be the next president of France. Unlike 2016 in which... Ah, fuck 2016.
harriet the spy
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Sarkozy-Le Pen - as I said - is a bit scary.
Hollande - Le Pen - thank you for providing a good hearty laugh
(and not because I think Hollande would win.)Yes, but Russians also have influence in the SPD and not just because they cling to their Ostpolitik, see Gazprom-Gerd Schröder.
Also interesting:
Exclusive: Riding Trump wave, Breitbart News plans U.S., European expansion | Reuters
Germany and France in 2017, huh?
Also last week at a Trump election party in Moscow:
Via @BBCWillVernon
Am i the only one who thinks this look sort like an animorphs cover TF sequence?
France straddles the line between Anglo and Mediterranean Europe, so it should be interesting.
So far, Mediterranean Europe doesn't seem to be in danger of turning too much to the right (although Corsica voted for the Nationalist, so...)
But if there was a second referendum, remain would likely win. The second round in the event of a FN win is a "No seriously you idiots, she's going to be president, it's happening. You've had your fun showing how cool you are by abstaining and telling your mates that all politicians are shit, now you need to get up off your arse."
Le Pen will get the most votes in the first round but two weeks of protesting and mobilising against her will prevent her from winning in the second round. It's like a do over and the left aren't too proud to vote for the right (and vice versa) to stop the FN.
Taking nothing for granted! The setup of the election and very recent history in local elections should reassure however.
harriet the spy
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Corsica is super racist though. I'd say that (paradoxically?) the south of France is significantly more racist than the north - Brittany has very little politically in common with southern england in spite of being the closest to the UK (at least geographically, if not culturally)
harriet the spy
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My bet is that Juppe will win primary and the election - which would be an interesting super-establishment choice for france compared to UK/US. I really really hope she does not win in any case.
Reverend Funk
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Man we're never gonna get that star trek future are we
Palette Swap
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I'd say his chances approach zero. I like him, he comes across as smart, eloquent and progressist, but he's way too centrist to appeal to the left, and he's the embodiment of an elite. His centrist anti-establishment approach is interesting, if anything, but under an urban/rural, internationalist/isolationist prism, he would get trounced by a populist like Le Pen.
In the same way, I think NKM is one of the most moderate and interesting candidates on the right, for virtue of not being a bigot and actually caring about environmental issues, but outside of major cities, she has no appeal.
I still believe the next two sundays are going to be crucial. I'm annoyed to have to give money to a party that has been so grossly mismanaged, but a lot hangs on this. I really don't want to see Sarkozy running, and the difference between his positions and Le Pen's is pretty thin on some issues.
That's my intuition as well, but it might be wishful thinking on my part. He's a reasonable candidate, one people on the left would easily swallow in a "lesser evil" scenario, but at the same time, Le Pen could attack him for the time he's spent being a politician (ie part of the establishment), and depict him as corrupt in light of that case two decades ago.
I'm left-wing but I'd be fine with Juppé, although I'd rather have Macron. Last days polls have me worried that Fillon might be winning the primary though. He's clearly more conservative, and also one of the most pro-russian candidates in his party.
Eternal Gamer
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UN Security Council 2017
China save us!!
As the time passes I am more certain we are heading towards a third world war, as all of these guys will try to create their esphere of influence.
Mass_Pincup
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You should vote for the primaries, I don't know if the inscription is closed but you should check it out.
Unlike all previous leaders? Trump is going to be more friendly to Russia than any of the last presidents
Palette Swap
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AFAIK, there's no specific registration: as long as you're registered to vote, you just have to show up, pay 2, and sign some bullshit pledge.
Edit: did anyone catch the bullshit Le Pen is apparently pulling on media representation and CSA? They're apparently bypassing the rules by refusing media invitations these days, so as to accrue air time they'll use later. Basically, expect to see them a lot more in the coming months.
AbortedWalrusFetus
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It's like you forgot there was another global war before trek universe
I absolutely will ! At first it was only to stop Sarkozy from running again but now I might have to vote Fillon out aswell :/
Mass_Pincup
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Great! Since I'm abroad right now and our process is a bit different I didn't really knew how it was supposed to happen.
I'm in the exact same boat.
Eternal Gamer
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My worry is because of this will see a more bold Putin. He will push his luck to see how far he can go without an US reaction.
harriet the spy
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Yea, NKM is pretty cool for a right wing candidate, which probably betrays me as a horrible globalist bobo. Sarko is a piece of shit and I really really really hope he does not win.
Since we are talking about right wing primaries. I have not followed French politics *super* closely for a while (I emigrated a while back) - but how is Valls a socialist? How is more a socialist than NKM for instance? More on the right on social issues, does not seem on the left on economic issues? Party affiliation in France sometimes confuse me.
edit: just checked the latest polls, and god am i so happy to see Cope at the bottom of them. I had the misfortune of seeing him once at my university and I don't think I have ever met a bigger worm.
PeskyToaster
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I'd be fine if this is our time's Axis powers. Pretty tame shit compared to the real thing.
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