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[Edwardo]

Keystone just makes me think of all the shitty beer I used to drink.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

How's Ryze? I haven't played him in a long time, but I saw a video recently where a half life yas and wukong attacked one, only one level above them both. Ryze ulted and within three seconds both were dead.

What on earth was that dmg?

 

[nbraun80]

How's Ryze? I haven't played him in a long time, but I saw a video recently where a half life yas and wukong attacked one, only one level above them both. Ryze ulted and within three seconds both were dead.

What on earth was that dmg?

probably depends when the video was made, bout 4 months ago or so he was super broken, now it's not too bad.

 

[clemenx]

He's still as broken as ever when used properly but it's harder to both excecute it and get to that point in the game.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

crit heal mastery is ridiculous on adcs and can legit replace lifesteal.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

crit heal mastery is ridiculous on adcs and can legit replace lifesteal.

Haven't played ADC in a while. When did this become a thing? This sounds really broken with Ashe.

 

[Stone Ocean]

crit heal mastery is ridiculous on adcs and can legit replace lifesteal.

And that's on top of passive lifesteal/spell vamp

So goooooood

 

[Leezard]

Haven't played ADC in a while. When did this become a thing? This sounds really broken with Ashe.

It's in the coming pre season changes.

 

[KarneeKarnay]

ADC's are going to be so scary in the new patch. 0_0


New jungler item Hunter's Talisman...Why wouldn't you choose this now?

 

[Leezard]

Apparently the mastery tree shown before had a mistake. The tier 1 mastery increases spell damage, not ap. I can see it being viable on supports now. It should be nice for all ap and ad casters.

 

[drawkcaB]

10% CDR on TF is pure sex for Xin and Skarner. 20% CDR on IBG hnnnggg.

Man, this preseason is exciting. Definitely going to bring me back.

Hmmm, my standard 10% starting CDR rune sets for jungling seem to be a tad bit fucked now.

Am I reading this right, that last whisper and associated items now only penetrate "bonus armor" or does the description mean that the 40% is a "bonus" (i.e. as is right now).

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

The Thunderlord mastery being on utility seems weird, going to have to try 12/0/18 Lucian, with his passive I think he could get a lot of mileage out of that.

I also think that TriForce-ER Lucian will be really strong.

20% CDR on IBG will probably be really nice for Blue Ez.

 

[Mostmanlyman]

Apparently the mastery tree shown before had a mistake. The tier 1 mastery increases spell damage, not ap. I can see it being viable on supports now. It should be nice for all ap and ad casters.

Damn I just want to play the new season right now.

 

[zkylon]

would be nice if mids got a keystone to choose from tho

i guess u could go 12-0-18 but losing 7% mpen is just no

also like all the mid items are a lot more expensive for some reason

 

[Stone Ocean]

would be nice if mids got a keystone to choose from tho

i guess u could go 12-0-18 but losing 7% mpen is just no

You have a magic DoT, a passive scaling Shiv and a burst of speed for bursts, what else do ya want

 

[Tizoc]

Damn I just want to play the new season right now.

Likewise, when is the earliest we could see games/matches played with this new update?

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

would be nice if mids got a keystone to choose from tho

i guess u could go 12-0-18 but losing 7% mpen is just no

Yeah, I'm thinking that in it's current state a lot of mids would want to go into utility. Cass would do so well with Thunderlord and I would really like that MS on doing 30% damage on Syndra. The loss of pen would be super rough so I don't know.

 

[Stone Ocean]

There's penetration in utility as well

Likewise, when is the earliest we could see games/matches played with this new update?

If the PBE gets updated today, expect preseason streams as soon as it goes back up

 

[Tizoc]

If the PBE gets updated today, expect preseason streams as soon as it goes back up

Wicked, looking forward to seeing what players come up with.

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

There's penetration in utility as well

If the PBE gets updated today, expect preseason streams as soon as it goes back up

Hey Costy, any way you could get us some PBE accounts?

But for real, I hope this goes through PBE quick because this seems like a ton of fun

 

[zkylon]

pbe should be today, hopefully

You have a magic DoT, a passive scaling Shiv and a burst of speed for bursts, what else do ya want

two of those are in a tree you're never gonna go full on

if you like utility so much how about we trade, two adc keystones for utility and two ap mid keystones for offensive :^)

There's penetration in utility as well

yeah, 6 flat at level 18 vs 7% all game

pls

might as well get 45% cdr, you can reach that with morellos+cdr/lvl runes+blue

Yeah, I'm thinking that in it's current state a lot of mids would want to go into utility. Cass would do so well with Thunderlord and I would really like that MS on doing 30% damage on Syndra. The loss of pen would be super rough so I don't know.

7% mpen is mandatory on every mid, that thing is probably stronger than the actual keystone lol

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

Hopefully they change the masteries a little so they are more favorable for AP Mids. The offensive keystones almost feel more like it should be called the AD tree.

crit heal mastery is ridiculous on adcs and can legit replace lifesteal.

It'll be so dumb on Yasuo.

 

[Stone Ocean]

two of those are in a tree you're never gonna go full on

if you like utility so much how about we trade, two adc keystones for utility and two ap mid keystones for offensive :^)

NO

THIS IS MY SEASON. GO AWAY MAGES

 

[zkylon]

yea i didn't think so :>

it's a non-choice, none of those keystones are better than 7% mpen

it also kind of sucks that you have to choose between merciless and mana regen. i can't imagine ever going the mp5 masteries now

i like the idea of keystones, and they seem to do fun stuff for other classes, just masteries in themselves seem really boring for mids

 

[Ghost is Bad]

why not just use the dot burn then on the offense tree

 

[zkylon]

that's what i'm saying, there's only one keystone for mids, while there's two for adcs

no reason why they couldn't just make it so there's not four or whatever so we all get to choose

 

[killatopak]

Well at least there's one for you. I legit don't know if there are bruiser keystones. I think tanks benefits most in top lane for the updated masteries and items.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

the best bruiser mastery is bond of stone which is probably the best defensive mastery period.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Yeah, bruisers get free DR or life steal based on their max HP, that's fucking strong specially for lane

 

[zkylon]

i do appreciate the mage keystone is called deathfire

Well at least there's one for you. I legit don't know if there are bruiser keystones. I think tanks benefits most in top lane for the updated masteries and items.

damage reduction is gonna be pretty good for bruisers

 

[Leezard]

Bursty mages can run the "get movespeed when dealing 30% damage" keystone. The dot one is another choice. That's two choices.

 

[zkylon]

not really cos you lose on 7% mpen

 

[Stone Ocean]

Mid laners sacrifice part of their % penetration all the time by only putting 2 points in it, dunno how that's gonna be an issue. If they can live without 6% pen they can live without 7.

 

[Leezard]

not really cos you lose on 7% mpen

Oh, you're right, I thought it was an offensive keystone. Then yeah, you have to sacrifice mpen and you only have one choice in offensive tree.

Unless Karthus/Anivia spell crits count for the crit mastery, which I doubt.

 

[Hemi-PoweredDrone]

With the new Kog, I'm thinking that building a ton of AD isn't going to be all that great. I think maybe Tear-BotRK-Manamune-Runaan's will probably work really well, maybe even Wit's End since his W is magic damage. Manamune will just be adding another onhit to his autos, but it might not work since with his attack speed he'd just eat through his mana in like three seconds.

 

[subtles]

I just hope everyone doesn't tunnel on to a few strong/broken things like they always do. If there's one thing we get over the next few months, I hope it's more diversity.

 

[zkylon]

so, turns out the counter to yasuo is having riven, fiora and vayne in your team for tri lane throws

split pushing, friends!

lmao

Mid laners sacrifice part of their % penetration all the time by only putting 2 points in it, dunno how that's gonna be an issue. If they can live without 6% pen they can live without 7.

???

some go 4%, not 0% dude

also it's doublepen so it's also for autos which is important for mid harass early game

no way any midlaner ever goes 0 points in the mastery pen

i challenge u to find me a champion that does that

Oh, you're right, I thought it was an offensive keystone. Then yeah, you have to sacrifice mpen and you only have one choice in offensive tree.

Unless Karthus/Anivia spell crits count for the crit mastery, which I doubt.

that would be fun, but i doubt it

 

[Stone Ocean]

Healing off 15% of an Anivia crit would be fucking broken lol

???

some go 4%, not 0% dude

also it's doublepen so it's also for autos which is important for mid harass early game

no way any midlaner ever goes 0 points in the mastery pen

i challenge u to find me a champion that does that

I said part, not all of it lol

But my point is if you can live with 4% magic pen you can live with 0 with some extra flat pen if you really want those utility keystones. 4% mpen is equivalent to roughly 3 flat pen for most of the game vs squishies. 7% is way more meaningful sure but if you can play the game as is right now with 2 points in the hybrid pen mastery then you can ignore the 7% if the mini Luden's or the MS boost are more important to you.

 

[zkylon]

well u said they can live without 6%, not 4%, dumbo

i guess we'll see, i don't believe there's much of a point of going anything other than the mpen since to me it sounds stronger than both those keystones, specially since you actually get a really strong keystone too

so we should be comparing 7% mpen to +5cdr cap/3+3 at lvl18 dpen, and i don't think either of those are worth it unless there's some weird cheese you can do on some champion with the extra cdr

 

[23qwerty]

doesn't randuins reduce crit damage from karth and anivia? they seem to be okay with leaving in somewhat strange interactions with their crit. though does ie increase them...? probably not?

 

[Nekofrog]

A lot of these changes seem really weird for a company who had touted about removing invisible power for so long. This just seems to throw heaps of it at the game. So many items and abilities that only proc under specific conditions with little way of telling the enemy that it's going to happen.

 

[Stone Ocean]

A lot of these changes seem really weird for a company who had touted about removing invisible power for so long. This just seems to throw heaps of it at the game. So many items and abilities that only proc under specific conditions with little way of telling the enemy that it's going to happen.

Costy implied you'll be able to see which keystone masteries the enemy has in-game

 

[subtles]

Looking through the opp. masteries will probably be a must now.

Oh boy.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

not really cos you lose on 7% mpen

6 mpen is better than 7% because its better early and mid game. 7% mpen only beats out the flat 6 mpen when the enemies have 100 Mdef, which adcs or other squishies usually dont get to

 

[Ambition]

Riot says a lot of things. They nerfed Sona for being too oppressive in lane but then they go ahead and release Tahm Kench, and approve Darius, GP, and Fiora's new kit.

 

[zkylon]

Oh boy.

music was god tier but really disappointed in seeing nier as an arena fighter like rising

if it's gotta have another game's gameplay i'd rather it be souls or whatever

high octane twitch action is not what nier's about. nier's about story and world building and those super poignant little side quests and walking around around a desolate, melancholic world.

6 mpen is better than 7% because its better early and mid game. 7% mpen only beats out the flat 6 mpen when the enemies have 100 Mdef, which adcs or other squishies usually dont get to

you don't get mpen to kill squishies :I

 

[Stone Ocean]

music was god tier but really disappointed in seeing nier as an arena fighter like rising

if it's gotta have another game's gameplay i'd rather it be souls or whatever

high octane twitch action is not what nier's about. nier's about story and world building and those super poignant little side quests and walking around around a desolate, melancholic world.

It's not an arena fighter though, the game will still have exploration and shit like the first game. Nier had crazy combat with all the big-ass powers and bullet hell dodging already, it just happened to suck, Souls style combat wouldn't fit at all.

Story and world building are also intact since Yoko Taro is still the director and writer.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

you don't get mpen to kill squishies :I

Thats the only thing I kill tho

 

[NCR Redslayer]

It's not an arena fighter though, the game will still have exploration and shit like the first game. Nier had crazy combat with all the big-ass powers and bullet hell dodging already, it just happened to suck, Souls style combat wouldn't fit at all.

Story and world building are also intact since Yoko Taro is still the director and writer.

Also Nier2 probably wouldn't exist without Platinum being involved.

 

[subtles]

music was god tier but really disappointed in seeing nier as an arena fighter like rising

if it's gotta have another game's gameplay i'd rather it be souls or whatever

high octane twitch action is not what nier's about. nier's about story and world building and those super poignant little side quests and walking around around a desolate, melancholic world.

I believe that was just a proof of concept since the game is still very young. Okabe will be at home and the Yoko Taro presentation at GDC leaves me with no doubts re; his focus in game development. I'm really excited to see him with an actual development team.

Ocean's avatar.... loool I can't believe I missed the artwork/connection.