Stone Ocean
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League of Legends |OT12| No more Lyte, just darkness.
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if you can have your ult not sit on top of the enemies, that's good. so even something like q'ing back into your team and ulting is good. only use it if someone absolutely is about to die or if there is outplay potential. you want to be fighting inside the ult and not let the enemy bully you off it or come in it.
PhillipCostigan
Member
watching Reckful play League is really entertaining
hope he sticks with it
also LOL at Ketch trolling the thread
hope he sticks with it
also LOL at Ketch trolling the thread
Stone Ocean
Member
I mean, would you rather dodge skillshots for a few seconds or lose half your HP because she maxes it second now?
mcz117chief
Member
Don't know why Jinx is a Pikachu (because of her W? That's weaksauce), it should have been Kennen, he is the real lightning hamster of League.
killatopak
Member
only grills allowed.
I think I should have puller her away from my spirit with E and all in'd her. I lost 1/3 of my hp running away every time anyway. Every attack and every tick of the Darius bleed takes a second of the time, so I might have been able to trade evenly. But I ran away the first time and was never able to get back into the lane after that.
I also think I should have played way more aggressively at the very beginning after you guys killer her twice, but never having played against that hero I had no idea. And of course she was playing a lot better then any of the scrubs in my solo que games.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
if u fight her with ur spirit pulled u instalose because u take like 2x dmg. just accept the dmg taken and stand behind minions.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
It was way worse before the nerf as that shit would last forever.
Even then i still break spines when they think they can get away and crawl back to their base. Its the best when you have no sight of them and it says they died.
Circle Axe dont cause bleed no more.
Oh ? The thing I read said you take 30% of the damage done to the spirit. What I was doing was running all the way out of the circle and I lost a shit ton of hp anyway and all the lane XP. So should I stay in the circle and just buy like 9 health potions?
Also, I'm going to main this character now because she seems cheap as fuck.
... Pretty sure Darius Q causes bleed... Is it just to minions?
Ghost is Bad
Banned
u know she can hit u and the spirit at the same time when u try that right
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Iirc the spirit damage starts at 30% and scales to 50%
The more I try out and fuck around with jungle Ziggs in customs with bots the more I think it's actually not just viable, but flat out strong. I need to play in a normal with GAF to try it out before. What jungle Ziggs can, and can not, do:
1.) Oddles of poke and zoning. Doesn't seem like a big deal at first glance, until you realize that few junglers actually have all that much poke, certainly not to the extent that Ziggs does.
2.) Actually clears very well. And not just in the "wow this non-meta champ clears well". I mean flat out clears well. Can do buff-to-buff clears with good remaining health and in either direction and can do any initial full clear. With hunter's position and stalker's he has good mana sustain and once Runic Echoes is completed he's stays topped up the entire time. Minefield is particularly great at helping him zone monsters while he clears. Starting around level 5 monster camps don't even touch them by the time he wipes them out.
3.) Ganks well. Well placed Satchel Charges or Minefields are really potent ganking tools, and as an added bonus both can be used to zone enemy champions away from low health allies. The range on Q and its ability to be lobbed over minions means that low health gank targets have a harder time escaping under the security of a tower. Satchel charge is really neat because you can use it in so many ways: escape, knock back, gap closer.
4.) His ultimate gives him really good map and counter gank pressure. An enemy 3v2 or 1v2 ganks might look safe at first glance, but a 200-300+ damage Inferno Bomb at rank 1 coming out of nowhere means it's never as safe as it appears to be.
5.) His poke & siege game and power scales well as the game goes on.
6.) Tower smashing maniac. Few magic damage champions can do to towers what Ziggs can do. A few passive procs and a Satchel Charge is a dead tower. An open tower with a two item Ziggs in range is gone. Unless an enemy champion(s) was already on the spot, the tower is just gone.
and what Ziggs is bad at:
7.) Obviously fragile, particularly early game before high CDR and additional ranks in reduce the cooldown to sensible levels. But it's not as bad as it seems because Ziggs has the tools necessary to deal with moderately good counterjunglers. The big duellists will pose problems, but smart play can circumvent that (not that I'd pick Ziggs into a Lee Sin or Elise, etc. on purpose).
8.) Dragon control sucks. Good God does it ever suck. Even with two items it's a struggle. I'd never consider doing it solo unless I was packing three items and solo sneaking a quick dragon mid-game even when you know the jungler can't contest is absolutely out of the question if it's possible any enemy is around. Ziggs needs teammates when doing dragon. Dragon sneaking on the other hand is good thanks to his long range, big time damage between Inferno Bomb and Bouncing Bombs.
9.) Small window between the end of the first blue buff and the completion of Runic Echoes where mana can be issue if Ziggs isn't able to buy Hunter's position + Stalker's in a timely fashion.
1.) Oddles of poke and zoning. Doesn't seem like a big deal at first glance, until you realize that few junglers actually have all that much poke, certainly not to the extent that Ziggs does.
2.) Actually clears very well. And not just in the "wow this non-meta champ clears well". I mean flat out clears well. Can do buff-to-buff clears with good remaining health and in either direction and can do any initial full clear. With hunter's position and stalker's he has good mana sustain and once Runic Echoes is completed he's stays topped up the entire time. Minefield is particularly great at helping him zone monsters while he clears. Starting around level 5 monster camps don't even touch them by the time he wipes them out.
3.) Ganks well. Well placed Satchel Charges or Minefields are really potent ganking tools, and as an added bonus both can be used to zone enemy champions away from low health allies. The range on Q and its ability to be lobbed over minions means that low health gank targets have a harder time escaping under the security of a tower. Satchel charge is really neat because you can use it in so many ways: escape, knock back, gap closer.
4.) His ultimate gives him really good map and counter gank pressure. An enemy 3v2 or 1v2 ganks might look safe at first glance, but a 200-300+ damage Inferno Bomb at rank 1 coming out of nowhere means it's never as safe as it appears to be.
5.) His poke & siege game and power scales well as the game goes on.
6.) Tower smashing maniac. Few magic damage champions can do to towers what Ziggs can do. A few passive procs and a Satchel Charge is a dead tower. An open tower with a two item Ziggs in range is gone. Unless an enemy champion(s) was already on the spot, the tower is just gone.
and what Ziggs is bad at:
7.) Obviously fragile, particularly early game before high CDR and additional ranks in reduce the cooldown to sensible levels. But it's not as bad as it seems because Ziggs has the tools necessary to deal with moderately good counterjunglers. The big duellists will pose problems, but smart play can circumvent that (not that I'd pick Ziggs into a Lee Sin or Elise, etc. on purpose).
8.) Dragon control sucks. Good God does it ever suck. Even with two items it's a struggle. I'd never consider doing it solo unless I was packing three items and solo sneaking a quick dragon mid-game even when you know the jungler can't contest is absolutely out of the question if it's possible any enemy is around. Ziggs needs teammates when doing dragon. Dragon sneaking on the other hand is good thanks to his long range, big time damage between Inferno Bomb and Bouncing Bombs.
9.) Small window between the end of the first blue buff and the completion of Runic Echoes where mana can be issue if Ziggs isn't able to buy Hunter's position + Stalker's in a timely fashion.
Yea. The idea would be to not stand close to the spirit. Like I should have puller her away from it with E. I regret not trying to fight it at least once. Specially since she had the two early deaths.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
if ur not close to the spirit, illaoi has no reason to chase u. she's just gonna wail on the spirit until u get chunked and make u back off fully.
That's whats happened anyway. She'd rip me, I'd run out, get chunked lose all the XP. Go back, get ripped again, then have to full back losing even more XP.
What are you supposed to do?
Darius
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Man i was dunking people on hexakill. Darius is the stephen curry. Illaio is like his brother but takes too long to line up her shots. Wish they just buffed her attack speed or animation or something.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Scales to 45% plus an average of 17 with ad.
it's cute girls, don't question it
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
But thats highly illogical.
Why cant she be in a jynx outfit -_-
Why cant she be in a jynx outfit -_-
mcz117chief
Member
that is a bulletproof argument if I ever saw one ^^
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
Makes me wonder if KON people are crazy.
Stone Ocean
Member
They are 100% crazy
Reivaxe
Member
You played Darius into Illaoi?
... Haha .. HAHA!
I play Illaoi almost exclusively these days (Hell, the only reason I haven't played the game in so long recently is because after that BS Redmercy vid had everyone suddenly banning Illaoi every time I qued up ... and I'd dodge cause she's the only champ I felt like playing top). One of the reasons I picked her up was cause I was tired of wasting a ban on Darius when I play top. She is legit the ONLY melee champ I find that can dick on Darius.
Sure, it's a play-like-a-bitch-til-6 lane for Illaoi but once you hit 6 if the Darius hasn't gotten a sizable lead by then then he can't 1v1 you. As a Darius you want to take advantage of your early power. Darius is the best melee champ at zoning other melee champs from farm, so you're gonna wanna manage the creeps well and not mindlessly push. Illaoi will try to bait a Q to get the lane to her side, a good Dar who knows this match up will know to not do that and force her to stand by as the creeps die. At 3 she can try to trade, Dar should make sure he doesn't get E'd (the illaoi will be trying to make sure she gets the E off cause if she doesn't lane it she's gonna have to back WAY the fuck off)
But yeah, if a good Dar doesn't get an early lead on her they would pretty much abandon lane and abuse her glaring weakness (she's not so strong when she's forced to run around the map).
As someone who plays a ton of Illaoi this is my favorite fun match up. I LOVE DICKING ON THAT BS CHAMP ... so much.
Uhhh, Darius is actually the most bull shit melee champ in this game.
Illaoi is actually very fair, she just plays in a way that many don't understand.
But it is a good idea to play her if you think she's so strong. If only to see how an Illaoi player thinks and how huge her weaknesses really are.
SenorArdilla
Member
New champ on patch 6.20?
maybe, there's gonna be a new champion between yorick and warwick
BreezyLimbo
Banned
ok so
warwicks rework
what if he started out as a human. And he had an aoe skillshot. And he shot a gun. And then he can transform and do aoe swipes, but he becomes melee in wolf form.
Eh? Ehhhh? Eh?
Stone Ocean
Member
A reworked Blood Scent could be awesome
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
had a nemesis game where an urgod had over 8000 hp. Hmmm
SenorArdilla
Member
Warwick should be retconned into some guy obsessed with Kindred. So he goes out and tries to make Soraka the Lamb to his Wolf.
Dreams-Visions
Member
I mean if he plays it right and walks up to you before throwing out the hook, it's hard to play against at any elo. If you don't have the right kind of support in the lane with you to deal with it, you're going to feed.
Orochinagis
Member
Well, I hit another barrier again, currently in Silver 4, got destroyed on supp, adc and mid lanes , the enemy team played too good I couldnt do anything to do something.
killatopak
Member
Isn't he obsessed with power and godhood? They could make it work but it's riot so nah.
awesome legends rising 2 trailer
too bad it'll feature rekkles who most likely won't be at worlds. i like rekkles but they probably should've done someone else, i would've loved to see one about ryu (awesome revenge story against faker) or forgiven (generally crazy story about always being short of getting to worlds) or perkz (vacations) or trick or someone from g2
tho i guess there's a real chance of wildturtle also not making it to worlds so idk
i'm pretty sure ww and soraka are 100% shipped
too bad it'll feature rekkles who most likely won't be at worlds. i like rekkles but they probably should've done someone else, i would've loved to see one about ryu (awesome revenge story against faker) or forgiven (generally crazy story about always being short of getting to worlds) or perkz (vacations) or trick or someone from g2
tho i guess there's a real chance of wildturtle also not making it to worlds so idk
i'm pretty sure ww and soraka are 100% shipped
mcz117chief
Member
Can you show me his build?