awesome, thanks
speaking of the jungle - got any tips for fizz in there?
also looking for the creep order on the map, i kind of got it but wouldnt mind a map. when to get which buff, etc.
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awesome, thanks
speaking of the jungle - got any tips for fizz in there?
also looking for the creep order on the map, i kind of got it but wouldnt mind a map. when to get which buff, etc.
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
you're welcome
stick around the discord channel and you'll eventually get to see some suspiciously cropped pictures
I just sort of flail around in the jungle trying to be useful. Make sure you're clearing jungle camps regularly/often (and not just trying to gank), pay attention to minimap and lanes to see where you could be useful.
These are probably super obvious, but I'm really low level so that's what I focus on. =)
The practice tool is pretty useful for practicing your early jungle clears.
Edit: oh, and the timers on the scoreboard are handy, tell you when baron/dragon/buffs are back up
Don't do it...he's not a jungler.
Jungle path just varies from champ to champ. I usually just go bot side buff camp (red or blue), do one neutral camp that is easiest for that champ (single target is big toad/Gromp, light multitarget damage is maybe Wolves, heavy multitarget would probably be raptors, and then do the remaining buff camp. Then you can look to gank, either while doing the river scuttler or just by heading to lane depending on the situation. If you don't think you can do that or don't have lanes that are good for that you can just keep farming.
Dimb, how do you tell if a champ is a jungler? Something in their kit? With his gap closers and ultimate I'd think Fizz could do fairly well, but I'm fully aware of how little I understand this stuff. =)
Well, the first big giveaway is how good (or bad) their clearing is. If you can't farm camps, you'll fall behind in levels, gold. There's lots of champions that would make for interesting junglers but the clears are brutal.
The only exception I can think of is Twitch, who always clears like shit until he has his jungle item completed. But Twitch jungle isn't meta and is extremely esoteric.
While initial clearing is important, it's really
The subsequent clears that determine if you can jungle or not. Rengar has a bad initial clear, but that's fine because he's level 4+ clearing is good. There's also different paths you can optionally take that cover initial clearing deficiencies of certain champions.
What you're going to find with Fizz is that he needs to max E to clear the AoE camps and to burst targets, but the ability is so mana intensive you're either going to be healthy with no mana, or near dead with mana. Either way, you're kinda fucked.
Stone Ocean
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How good he's at clearing, how good he's at taking objectives, how good he's at dueling, how good he's at ganking pre-6 and beyond 6, how well he scales all those things considered.
You can make up for one or more of these by being exceptional at others, but Fizz kinda sucks in every jungling aspect so yeah.
ThePackman
Member
I haven't got an S rank in so long, feels bad. Even when I was doing really well with someone got an A and now I'm playing terribly.
There are lots of factors, like other people described, but I think the best way to look at it is to reduce it down to two concepts.
#1) What does this champion gain by jungling? Your income drops but you have access to jungle items, and you don't have to worry about lane pressure but you need reliable ways to clear. Right now the strongest jungle items are Cinderhulk (ubiquitously strong on tanks) and Bloodrazor (which actually does better on characters that can reset their auto-attack than ones that are just auto-attack focused). If you can't utilize these you are already at a disadvantage.
#2) What does the jungler need to do? This can vary by team comp but right now initiation tools are really powerful, and so is objective control. The large monsters are most vulnerable to % health damage, and you usually want someone on your team that is tanky enough to hold their attention. Mobility can also be a key factor. Hard CC also is huge for ganks, and if the jungler has that it opens up gank opportunities on any lane.
Hydrophobic
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I was just about to post this. It's only 6 minutes and is pretty easy to understand.
Appreciate the insight, all.
I just don't know enough about all the champs yet. Like, I know some junglers are known for basically being useless 'til level 6. So in my mind, couldn't Fizz be lumped into that category? Early clears may be mana intensive, but then once he hits 6 it isn't really early anymore and those problems may go away? I don't know, maybe they don't =)
Even Morgana seems like she could jungle well, to me, on paper. She has the AOE clear w/ her W (and spellvamp gives her health back with that) and then she's got the snare for her ganks... But she obviously must be bad because people don't play her jungle. Same problem, too much mana cost early?
Edit: and yeah, thanks for the video. really good production value on that, too.
I just don't know enough about all the champs yet. Like, I know some junglers are known for basically being useless 'til level 6. So in my mind, couldn't Fizz be lumped into that category? Early clears may be mana intensive, but then once he hits 6 it isn't really early anymore and those problems may go away? I don't know, maybe they don't =)
Even Morgana seems like she could jungle well, to me, on paper. She has the AOE clear w/ her W (and spellvamp gives her health back with that) and then she's got the snare for her ganks... But she obviously must be bad because people don't play her jungle. Same problem, too much mana cost early?
Edit: and yeah, thanks for the video. really good production value on that, too.
dope, thanks
it does feel very dangerous with the jungle on either side but ahri is just too waifu for me not to play
zip zooming around with R is too fun and her Q ends up feeling super strong if you get her going
Dobkeratops
OT Hard Carry
Stone Ocean
Member
Give up dobe
He's one of us
He's one of us
Hydrophobic
Member
One of them!
Sr Kitsune
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Kotetsu534
Member
Happens. Just gotta focus on your own play. If you're tilting just take a break and do something else. Good news is that if you go on a losing run you're MMR will drop and you'll get placed against weaker opposition so I often find that a particularly bad run is quickly followed by a big uptick in win percentage.
I've lost 10-13 normal blind games in a row before, it happensMan, I was doing pretty well for awhile, then went on a 6-game losing streak.
hey guys im no furry / japanophile but ahri is a blast
more of a kayle / lux guy irl tbh
Stone Ocean
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Still one of us
BreezyLimbo
Banned
You got 10 orbs?
looks like a skin shard
i was gonna post yesterday that i felt her ult felt clunky and i was missing more than usual. i suspected the w changes might affect her feel but wanted to play her before deciding, but her winrate dropped 4% in solo q because of this hidden nerf because of something that some rioter decided was "pretty bs to play against"
hotfix that shit riot, usability nerfs are not cool, hidden, undocumented nerfs that don't get proper player feedback are not cool
edit: not a big fan of the w buffering changes she got either, i really dislike when nerf don't go through pbe, you can't nerf a champion's responsiveness without getting player feedback, that's not cool
Yeah, I don't think I'm tilting (yet) but it's a little painful to look at my match history =)
these are pretty ok
i like the lux and jinx ones. poppy is good too
yeah you have to manually set it but it's a real game changer
will help balance out matchups where enemy mid is duoing with their jungler
you're a yasuo player lmao
I mean it sounds like Orianna was secretly firing her abilities like a quarter of a second earlier than the in-game feedback showed. That's pretty bad! They should fix that right away, other people have to lane against her and it's not fair to them for the game to lie to them.
she wasn't secretly firing her ult earlier, she was starting the cast it before the ball ended its flight
the animation and visual effects reflect when she begins to cast, it was just starting during travel instead of after travel, which is an issue they've arbitrarily decided in secret, on this patch
afaik she's been like that for years, which feels awesome cos you get to chain your moves in a really satisfying way. there's less counterplay but it's an ability that many champions can just dodge with high movespeed (or a mobility skill or flash) and shit
no, only runes bought since may or something will get refunded
there will be something for people that bought runes before, probably something lame like chests or an icon or whatever
not saying there should be big recompense for runes you've bought, i only think they should refund shit u bought with rp. not against it either, just not super strongly for it
BreezyLimbo
Banned
would be nice if you could actually how many people are tp'ing to a ward
this shouldn't be a problem by now...
i just really dislike runepages being sold still
this shouldn't be a problem by now...
i have a bunch of runes too but i never really expected a refund
i just really dislike runepages being sold still
Terbinator
Member
I don't believe so as the main feature of LDR is the armor pen % - which is more effective later in the game when the tanks *should* have more armour.
I think Ghostblade rush is a better buy for the early flat reduction in armour pen, combined with Executioners Callling to reduve their HP regen.
Wolf Akela
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How is this an A-? I was utterly useless throughout the game.
will we need rune pages after the runes reforged update?
is quinn fun in the top lane? i need to try her tonight
after being stuck forever in p3 i finally make some progress ;_;
hopefully i can make it to p1 again and maybe not go into a like 10 game losing streak and demote lol
yeah, rune pages will behave like mastery pages, in that you can edit them in champ select, but you can also save a bunch of them so you don't have to set it up every time
tho it might be less useful now that there'll be less shit to click since runes will be "simpler"
quinn is like the only top laner i find fun, but i feel tank meta kind of counters her so idk
I say this as someone who doesn't play top lane, and as someone who's only played Quinn in the jungle...
If I was playing Quinn top against a tank, I wouldn't put too much focus on killing the tank. If you can make it happen, cool, but don't make it the game plan. I'd pack some early, strong AD items (Ghost blade or IE components) to boost my Q wave clear and burst, and roam with ult non-stop than transition into a splitpusher - pressure, pressure, pressure.
I'd probably opt into more crit based or even off-tank builds as opposed to the more traditional Lethality/assassin builds to make Quinn more relevant late game.