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[drawkcaB]

Blitz pick is very very questionable...

Agreed.

Wrong. Horrible vision control and map rotations. Bad pulls. A big reason these lanes fell behind was because of how Aphromoo played this game.

Even then, beyond Aphroo's really questionable play the pick itself was just bad even had he played well. They have Azir and Tristana in an obvious siege comp, both of whom can self peel so the team needs some lockdown to keep the opposing team in place after the disengages have been used (see Lemon's Morgana pick vs. Fnatic). Elise has a bit of that with her cocoon, but Blitz offers absolutely none of that, neither does Olaf (which was equally a terrible pick into this comp).

Morgana would have been the superior pick and it was available at the time.

On the subject of the Olaf pick, how does Gnar slip away? Would have been perfect. Fits the comp, can play both the 1v1 and undermanned lane, and isn't all that gold dependent either.

 

[HORRORSHØW]

flash wolves getting kabum'd

 

[sleepykyo]

Lol. What a group. Everyone in it gets a win.

 

[Leezard]

flash wolves getting kabum'd

Yeah, this might ensure that CLG/KOO are getting out of groups. It's not a done deal so far, but a single win difference is so big here.

 

[Imperfected]

You can say Taiwan isn't part of China, but no one's going to believe you if you keep losing to Brazil...

 

[theprodigy]

beat Korean team, proceed to lose to wildcard

of course

edit: oh right, paiN has more wins than LGD

 

[NSESN]

Brazilian team helping NA team again

 

[Pancakes]

Brazil helping out their NA buds, god bless. Now CLG can get their shit together and hopefully not suck massive dick next week.

 

[Ledhead]

Man, my boys C9 killing it this week. So proud

 

[Terbinator]

Holy shit, C9 beat FNC?

 

[Leezard]

Holy shit, C9 beat FNC?

Screw CLG and Fnatic, C9 and Origen are the true western hopes.

I hope FNC manage to claw themselves back, CLG already have a near-free ticket out of groups.

 

[NSESN]

Screw CLG and Fnatic, C9 and Origen are the true western hopes.

3rd seed OP
I still think FNC can make out, but they need to stop to prioritize sivir, it makes their comp really predictable

 

[Afro Samurai]

How did C9 do it?

They were facing delegation at LCS NA Summer 2015. Now they're at Worlds with 3 Wins and 0 Losses!

 

[tm24]

How did C9 do it?

They were facing delegation at LCS NA Summer 2015. Now they're at Worlds with 3 Wins and 0 Losses!

Hai is just the most amazing shotcaller. The best NA player ever by far. Hell, might be a top shotcaller worldwide period

 

[Stiler]

So glad to see C9 make it this far.

was really hoping CLG would pull a turn around but they didn't .

That Darius Penta from balls was awesome.

 

[Leezard]

Both C9 and OG are winning thanks to their shotcalling. It's great to see and makes for fun games.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

I wonder if you buy a ticket to the game, do you get all 6 games?

That's a freaking deal, but I dunno how much a ticket costs.

 

[Newt]

It's great to see Fnatic losing.

 

[Brazil]

I hope FNC manage to claw themselves back, CLG already have a near-free ticket out of groups.

:lol

CLG gonna get Alliance'd hard.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Even though rito screwed up the balance with a few champs getting banned all the time, the pick variety are great.

 

[theprodigy]

:lol

CLG gonna get Alliance'd hard.

FW already did that though!

 

[Shining Sunshine]

Best part of today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG90UDBAHoE

 

[Bacon]

Tristana needs to be banned against sneaky. Why hasn't anyone started doing this yet?

 

[Ragingnight]

Even though rito screwed up the balance with a few champs getting banned all the time, the pick variety are great.

I don't follow league for a long time but what cause morde to be that popular in ban/pick?

 

[Stone Ocean]

I don't follow league for a long time but what cause morde to be that popular in ban/pick?

He got reworked into a duo laner

 

[Shining Sunshine]

I don't follow league for a long time but what cause morde to be that popular in ban/pick?

Morde can make dragon into a ghost and then easily take towers with it.

 

[Ghost is Bad]

 

[NSESN]

The funny part is that if Bjergsen Viktor ulted+laser in that baron fight C9 would have played relegations.

 

[Bacon]

The funny part is that if Bjergsen Viktor ulted+laser in that baron fight C9 would have played relegations.

He knew he had to throw in order for NA to have a chance

 

[kenbo]

What a depressing day

 

[Elfstruck]

Hai is just the most amazing shotcaller. The best NA player ever by far. Hell, might be a top shotcaller worldwide period

People say Yellowstar is better than Hai as a shotcaller, but today showed that Hai is a fking mastermind and very unpredictable.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

People say Yellowstar is better than Hai as a shotcaller, but today showed that Hai is a fking mastermind and very unpredictable.

Yellowstar is definitely held back with the mixed language barrier. There were many times when Huni wasn't on the same page for the ult combo.

I think mixed language is still a problem with every Korean import team, and it shows as all of the #1 teams are using the same language within the team.

 

[Edwardo]

I didn't see any matches today. Should I just watch em all tomorrow morning or are there only a couple good ones?

 

[WesternHeretic]

I didn't see any matches today. Should I just watch em all tomorrow morning or are there only a couple good ones?

FNC vs C9.

 

[NSESN]

I didn't see any matches today. Should I just watch em all tomorrow morning or are there only a couple good ones?

watch TSM vs LDG for the fun factor, KT vs OG and FNC vs C9 for good games

 

[janoDX]

If CLG banned Ashe they might had a chance against KOO, even win it straight up, lots of CLG's fails on that game were because of Ashe arrows, but "Yeah Pray's Ashe is not the problem" mentality killed the game.

I hope they learned the lesson and just take out Ashe from them. FW did it and KOO was defeated with calm.

 

[sleepykyo]

People say Yellowstar is better than Hai as a shotcaller, but today showed that Hai is a fking mastermind and very unpredictable.

Eh, Fnatic has done consistently well. But C9 was pretty weak toward the end of Hai's run as midlaner. Then again Yellowstar has better teammates to work with.

Though Hai's return makes me wonder how much of TSM and Alliance's troubles. Froggen got his team built around him and did poorly outside of one split. Got a new team and did even worse. His leadership seems to be lose slowly. If Santorin was supposed to replace Bjerg as shotcaller it doesn't seem like it and as the split progressed Santorin lost the ability to decide what to do as jungler. Lustboy communication's skills got worse. And Dyrus went from being stuck on an island to would rather be on an island. It isn't like Hai was leading a different C9 roster, but he is getting more out of them than Meteos did.

 

[Elfstruck]

Eh, Fnatic has done consistently well. But C9 was pretty weak toward the end of Hai's run as midlaner. Then again Yellowstar has better teammates to work with. .

How could he shotcall when his team didnt believe in him? No matter how good your shotcall is, it will always fail when your teammates dont believe in you.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

If CLG banned Ashe they might had a chance against KOO, even win it straight up, lots of CLG's fails on that game were because of Ashe arrows, but "Yeah Pray's Ashe is not the problem" mentality killed the game.

I hope they learned the lesson and just take out Ashe from them. FW did it and KOO was defeated with calm.

No, Ashe isn't the problem.
You just take sivr, or take up cleanse, go into QSS. Even then, the arrows weren't making huge picks. CLG was already done even before arrows started being effective.

The problem is picking Blitzcrank, Olaf, and Pobelter not picking Viktor.
Olaf would just get destroyed by Kennen in lane, Blitzcrank is hit and miss with no other uses than grapple, and Pobelter doesn't seem to have a handle on Azir. He fumbled so many skills that any Azir pro can pull off.

And, instead of picking Blitzcrank, which I assume is what they thought was a Kennen counterpick, Morgana can easily counter Kennen with Dark Binding, and has a ton more utility. Even Annie stun could be more useful and doesn't require a skill shot to hit Kennen.

 

[dimb]

Olaf is actually an effective tower pusher when you play the game properly and split one side. CLG must not be real Americans though because they did not hard push one side of the map with this advantage.

 

[Shining Sunshine]

lol

no one should not ban mordekaiser

 

[PeskyToaster]

No, Ashe isn't the problem.
You just take sivr, or take up cleanse, go into QSS. Even then, the arrows weren't making huge picks. CLG was already done even before arrows started being effective.

The problem is picking Blitzcrank, Olaf, and Pobelter not picking Viktor.
Olaf would just get destroyed by Kennen in lane, Blitzcrank is hit and miss with no other uses than grapple, and Pobelter doesn't seem to have a handle on Azir. He fumbled so many skills that any Azir pro can pull off.

And, instead of picking Blitzcrank, which I assume is what they thought was a Kennen counterpick, Morgana can easily counter Kennen with Dark Binding, and has a ton more utility. Even Annie stun could be more useful and doesn't require a skill shot to hit Kennen.

Yup, it was a bizarre draft from CLG. A Blitzcrank when their team comp depends on Kennen getting to your team? He wants to get pulled. Any other support would have been better.

 

[thestopsign]

Yup, it was a bizarre draft from CLG. A Blitzcrank when their team comp depends on Kennen getting to your team? He wants to get pulled. Any other support would have been better.

I think Janna or Braum would have made a lot of sense that game, or take away the Morgana before they pick it because she works well against Kennen support anyways let alone Kennen top.

 

[Imperfected]

Olaf is actually an effective tower pusher when you play the game properly and split one side. CLG must not be real Americans though because they did not hard push one side of the map with this advantage.

Honestly, I caught that game later in the day on a rebroadcast expecting something completely different from the way people were talking about it. Everyone makes it sound like they were playing well and just lost because of bad picks and bans.

That was one of the worst games of Worlds so far. They looked like shit across the board, and got outplayed anywhere and everywhere a chance for an outplay existed. They were strategically, tactically, and mechanically trounced from start to finish, and I doubt any degree of better picking or banning would have done much to change that.

I don't think CLG's necessarily on a backslide, they just kept doubling down on losing bets that game and went bankrupt in a hurry. To some extent it did show an inability to handle falling behind early, particularly on the part of Aphromoo and Zion (who kept trying to make big plays to stop the bleeding, and just kept making it worse), but other than that it's hard to identify real, long-term mistakes or offer meaningful advice beyond "play better, don't tilt so hard".

 

[garath]

I think the criticism came in that their comp made it very difficult to come back from behind. Their big plays might have been better with a better team composition. A Janna over blitz for example might have prevented a few deaths early and they might not have fallen behind quite as much.

They had a few near misses early that snowballed out of control. They were on tilt from it and couldn't play back at all. Hopefully they got it out of their system now and they still have a successful tourny.

 

[Annubis]

LoL teams asked to remove G2A logo at 2015 World Championship

Good of them.

 

[kenbo]

Good of them.

Hope they cover the logos with a piece of paper or something

 

[Shining Sunshine]

So many people use G2A sponsor, yet this stuff happens.

 

[brian!]

feel like all the Amazing media I'm seeing indicates that he's turned into a bro, pretty into it tho

are these the words he'll say once og beats tsm in finals?: https://youtu.be/TEYUETSOdbk?t=3m50s

 

[Shining Sunshine]

How come that G2A news isn't a thread?