KingT731
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The gamepass discount doesn't apply to the launch month. You have to wait 30 days to get the 10% off of a launch day game.
Leaked Marketing Agreement for RE8 Forces Parity and Blocks the Game From GamePass
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Papacheeks
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And so stadia that did deals for specific titles is just as shitty right? How is it any different than MS making a deal to bring a game to gamepass? I bet you there's a clause saying MLB can't bring that to any other service for a short period of time.
IT'S BUSINESS. Epic does it with PC releases. Why is this new. Hopefully your on those threads as well with Kena being timed exclusive to Epic store for a short period.
killatopak
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You really think RE8 game would release on gamepass at day 1? Really? Probably one of biggest names in the market that has no trouble selling at full price. This isn't some new ip, indie game or AA game you know?
Pass me the blunt.
Skyfox
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subject to the material platform capabalities means that if there's something like pistol smoke coming out of zombie after you shoot them on xbox then it has to be on ps5 as well.
Stuff cant be removed, but it can run at a lower res or framerate to be able to run within the platform capabalities.
Stuff cant be removed, but it can run at a lower res or framerate to be able to run within the platform capabalities.
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Josemayuste
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The level of made up news recently are starting to cross so many lines..
ChuckeRearmed
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Quite easily. It all boils down to what MS is willing to pay for that. Just like with time exclusive games, it is all about price.
There was a possibility for Starfield to be moneyhatted for time exclusivity. Would it not sell without that?
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Kilau
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But then where would I find my allotted hourly outrage?
"Subject to material platform limitations". This is a "PS4 Pro" clause, where many games didn't have enhancements on Pro, but was enhanced to XBOX. But they are not limiting resolution, fps, etc on other platforms
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sainraja
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In parenthesis, it does say (subject to material platform limitations) so I would say if there is something the PS5 cannot do and a competitive system can, they are not blocked from doing it. Basically the PS5 can't be shorted on technical features that it can support against competitive platforms.
People can revisit and see how this translates later on when the comparisons come out. I think people here love to overreact.
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Papacheeks
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How so? If resident evil 7 is anything to go by, with VR. RESIDENT EVIL 8 will also have a VR mode.
Sony has always had a great relationship with capcom.
Resident evil has always been associated with Sony since Ps1.
They don't want to lose that to xbox.
It's kind of dirty, but Nintendo does similar things with specific titles.
LisaMariaMartin
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Yes?
I don't see MS going around making third parties sign 'no ps now' clauses but if they do, I'd call them out on it aswell. Its a scummy move and I really don't care about the business side of it. It impacts me as a consumer, I'm not a shareholder and I couldn't give a rats ass if they go belly up tommorow because there are more than enough alternatives out there.
Same with MS, if they decide to go off the reservation, I'll just cancel my sub and go elsewhere, thats the beauty of subs, I'm not tethered to them in any way.
I'd rather playstation invest in their own service instead of trying to cockblock MS. Start by putting up games day 1. Introduce a new, more expensive tier to offset losses. Even MS without any AAA first party games managed to get over 20 million subs. Looks like Sony is taking notice if they try to block individual games from entering the service.
Except for that time when Capcom made it a Nintendo franchise and debuted the most popular game in the series (RE4) on a Nintendo console and remade the first game, of course.
Papacheeks
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You are a moron if you don't think gamepass has a no compete clause for similar services.
HotPocket69
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Good. Fuck RentPass. If you wanna play, put on your big boy pants and cough up the 60 bucks.
Foilz
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Code veronica was on dreamcast and is still by far my favorite RE
killatopak
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That's all it is, a possibility not to mention a new IP as well. Exclusivity versus gamepass is a different dynamic as well. Exclusivity is still the game selling at full price with the publisher weighing that the exclusivity deal that was made gives more money than the estimated amount of people buying the game at full price at a certain time period. This is a great deal for a publisher when they are certain that their playerbase is skewed towards a certain platform not to mention a possible marketing shouldered by the said platform. Going back to Starfield, the devs probably felt that the game was not skewed to certain platform either way or whatever money they were gonna get was projected to be less than what they'd earn if they sell the game at full price on all platforms.
This is compared to whatever metric Xbox use to pay gamepass games. Last I checked, they were still experimenting on how to make deals with the developers which was originally by usage. This is a red flag for RE games as they are characteristically short compared to open world games. What kind of method would they be paying? We don't know. Smaller indie games can be paid their production but only really because they're small to begin with and some indie games may be the next minecraft or at least cuphead so they're willing to take risks as long as it's small. The big games however is a different thing altogether. Not only is there no precedent, what to say a publisher won't ask for money around the same amount they would on an exclusive contract? We don't know and at that point just make it exclusive if you're gonna pay that much anyway.
Full price games still offer the most profit for a third party developer. if it isn't, everybody would be flocking to game pass including the big names as well. Fact is they don't. Automata was recently at gamepass, why is NieR remaster not day one on Xbox? Well SE probably thinks they'll get more money for full price anyway since they tested on how much it sells full price on xbox and how much money they got for it being on game pass.
Maybe Nier Automata at gamepass actually didn't get played that much. Is Xbox even interested at in bringing the NieR remaster to gamepass at day one? Are they interested at all at RE8 at gamepass on day one? We don't know and you don't know as well so don't speak as if it's a given that it would have been on gamepass at day one.
Possibility? Maybe. Definitively? You're speaking out of your ass.
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Yea RE was associated with PlayStation for one generation, and only out of necessity because the Saturn was basically dead after the first game (which was released on the PSX and Saturn). By the time the PS2 was out, Capcom made it completely multi-plat.
Same ol G
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Lol SDF going all out, a lot of whataboutism but that's not new.
Fact is this is a shitty business practice with third party multiplatform games, timed exclusive is one thing but forcing technical parity and blocking other services is a shitty scummy move by Sony.
And as others have said it, PS5 games performing better than Xbox versions probably has to do with these kind of contracts.
Playstation is still necessary for me to play certain games but what a shitty company.
Fact is this is a shitty business practice with third party multiplatform games, timed exclusive is one thing but forcing technical parity and blocking other services is a shitty scummy move by Sony.
And as others have said it, PS5 games performing better than Xbox versions probably has to do with these kind of contracts.
Playstation is still necessary for me to play certain games but what a shitty company.
xrnzaaas
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If Microsoft paid them the right money for the exclusivity - yes. This is a big IP, but not a proper huge game like GTA or CoD.
TheGodfather07
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This is getting hilarious. Everyday theres something new about how evil sony is without any actual proof of such claims. Its like people are terrified that sony are going to run away with another generation and are trying anything to stop it. Maybe if a certain company decided to actually release some games and properly compete there would be no need for this BS. Instead they still have nothing 6 months in! When have we ever had a console launch with no new 1st party games?
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killatopak
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Ah yes, the more popular GC games.
RE4 GC 1.6m
REmake GC 1.35m
RE0 GC 1.25m
4.2m total
The height of RE pre RE5 was on PSX
RE1+RE1 Directors cut + RE1DC Dual Shock 2.75+1.13+1.2= 5.08m
RE2 4.96m
RE3 3.5
13.54m total
For comparison RE4 PS2 did 2.4 million compared to GC 1.6m
Code veronica X for the PS2 did 1.4m compared to 1.14 on the DC
Resident Evil Outbreak beat every GC RE except for RE4 with 1.45m
https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html
Snake29
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Sucking that Gamepass dick, or are we past that?
Topher
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Not only Xbox, but this alleged agreement supposedly limits any platform, including PC to "technical parity".
At least one member of the media is suggesting this is fake.
Again because there wasn't a viable other option. Once the PS2, GameCube, and Dreamcast were on the market Capcom made it a multi-platform franchise.
Hell, they even ported RE2 to the Nintendo 64. Trying to pretend it's a Sony franchise at this point is laughable.
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FactoryOfDeception
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I mean it's shitty but these types of deals happen all the time. Don't like it don't support the companies it's pretty simple.
Mr. "I think you need a TV that is larger than 27 inches to even take advantage of 1080". (when trying to defend the 720p games on the Xbox One in 2014)
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You can still buy Starfield on PC.
killatopak
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You're banking on that IF very hard.
Fact of the matter is that its roots is the PSX and it sold a lot better on all PS consoles. I can't say which one sold better on the PS3 and the 360 cause they combined it on their page. This isn't like FF where it did start out on an NES platform but only really exploded on the PSX. RE didn't become MORE popular on GC, it actually contracted.
PS2 were getting peanuts in a form of spin offs compared to mainline GC games. You can't get a comparison better than that. Those peanuts beat 3 out of 4 mainline RE games. It's basically like Persona. A freaking spin off doing better than a main line game.
HotPocket69
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It's out?
ChuckeRearmed
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In general, I fully believe that sooner or later all the games will launch on Game Pass Day 1. It is already becoming a platform independent from Xbox.
Interesting point regarding Nier Replicant. I suspect because it doesn't have native Series / PS5 version does it?
In general, I fully believe that sooner or later all the games will launch on Game Pass Day 1. It is already becoming a platform independent from Xbox.
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Papacheeks
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Not only Xbox, but this alleged agreement supposedly limits any platform, including PC to "technical parity".
At least one member of the media is suggesting this is fake.
Destin is a chod, who knows nothing and regurgitates the same info as most dumb fuck youtubers. Colin has more integrity since he waits to talk about certain things in length, and research them rather than make a tweet/youtube video off of someone uneducated in the gaming business.
Destin and many others like him in media for games have no fucking clue. All they know if from interviewing in a controlled environment paid by their company. ANd maybe getting some tidbits on inner struggle or disgruntled employee's. WHich usually none of them high up.
David Jaffe is putting in the work, him and Colin in the next year are going to blow up. ANd would not surprise me if they collab more with each other and possibly people like Jeff Gertsman.
Destin, Ryan Mcaffrey are decent guys who like games, they honestly have no fucking clue though. All they know perspective wise is from what they are given access too by IGN and the likes. I doubt any developer high up in the foodchain would talk to these chodes unless they were pro company or something. People like shue or whatever are kind of an exception and a lot of those instances they are controlled dinners/talks.
As in its not like shue or someone like Phil sent a personal test to Ryan/Destin and was like lets go get a beer or some taco's. Which if people watched Jaff'e stream on the way he went off on Minnmax is what he's talking about. Nothing against BEN, he's super nice guy, I like him. But he has no fucking idea nor does his partners.
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Topher
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Ok....I don't know the guy. Just saw he worked at IGN.
GHG
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sainraja
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It hasn't been that long:
Microsoft supposedly forced parity on Division 1
VG247 has an article on spiderman puddlegate and it has this choice quote: “On The Division, Xbox had a deal with Ubisoft, and part of that deal was to ensure that the PS4 version did not look better than it. The resolution, frame rates, and density of assets could have been higher on PS4, but...
And just like then, DF will most likely prove this to be the same.
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Aguero9320
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Another bad look for Sony.
Probably explains how they've managed to defy reality in some performance comparisons between the systems so far though.
Parity is a win, right?
Probably explains how they've managed to defy reality in some performance comparisons between the systems so far though.
Parity is a win, right?
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Every MS game will be out on PC also, so....
Lol at people trying to spin this is a non issue, or as not at all greasy.
Sony: If the game can look and play better on Xbox, make sure that it doesn't
Thats dirty as fuck. Paid sabotage, enforced by contract. Nothing shocking here, but it's greasy and a bad look if you ask me. But it's nothing new, and I'm sure MS has done the same in the past. I just hate this kind of shit.
Sony: If our competitor approaches you for the purpose of adding your game to their game pass service, you must decline or we will sue the fuck out of you.
This is pretty standard contract stuff for marketing deals. Sony will Compensate Capcom somehow I expect to offset the benefits the company would potentially get by bringing Village to GamePass.
Still, it's interesting that Sony's approach to combating the consumer value of GamePass is to actively start paying publishers not to allow their games on GamePass. GamePass is truly win win for publishers now.
Sony: If the game can look and play better on Xbox, make sure that it doesn't
Thats dirty as fuck. Paid sabotage, enforced by contract. Nothing shocking here, but it's greasy and a bad look if you ask me. But it's nothing new, and I'm sure MS has done the same in the past. I just hate this kind of shit.
Sony: If our competitor approaches you for the purpose of adding your game to their game pass service, you must decline or we will sue the fuck out of you.
This is pretty standard contract stuff for marketing deals. Sony will Compensate Capcom somehow I expect to offset the benefits the company would potentially get by bringing Village to GamePass.
Still, it's interesting that Sony's approach to combating the consumer value of GamePass is to actively start paying publishers not to allow their games on GamePass. GamePass is truly win win for publishers now.
MiguelItUp
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So, this has kinda become another strange fanboy poo flinging thread? Of course it has...
Between this and that similar Monster Hunter "news" that came out, people clearly are misinterpreting things. It's ridiculous.
The game AND Capcom have clearly been giving extra love to Sony, so much so that it being "blocked" from Game Pass doesn't really come off as a surprise. Shouldn't at least. I mean, the last RE stream even mentioned talking to "key industry leads" or whatever terminology they used. Everyone that appeared was related to Sony, lmao. I was laughing. I mean, it may as well have exclusivity of some form on the Sony platforms.
It'll be there some day if you REALLY wanna wait, so who cares? Shame it's not launching there, sure, but clearly there are reasons why it isn't. Just like how Outriders wasn't available for PC on Game Pass for launch.
Yes, Game Pass is tight if you're into that thing.
No, Sony is not Satan.
You can like what you like, others can to. Move on.
Between this and that similar Monster Hunter "news" that came out, people clearly are misinterpreting things. It's ridiculous.
The game AND Capcom have clearly been giving extra love to Sony, so much so that it being "blocked" from Game Pass doesn't really come off as a surprise. Shouldn't at least. I mean, the last RE stream even mentioned talking to "key industry leads" or whatever terminology they used. Everyone that appeared was related to Sony, lmao. I was laughing. I mean, it may as well have exclusivity of some form on the Sony platforms.
It'll be there some day if you REALLY wanna wait, so who cares? Shame it's not launching there, sure, but clearly there are reasons why it isn't. Just like how Outriders wasn't available for PC on Game Pass for launch.
Yes, Game Pass is tight if you're into that thing.
No, Sony is not Satan.
You can like what you like, others can to. Move on.
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Topher
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SLB1904
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chill
Bruno_Arrais85
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Are you guys new to gaming? Let's just pretend Nintendo and MS don't do this.