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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past
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I did not know that and sincerely apologize.
AbsolutBro
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I really don't get how you can say the underlined given the back and forth with cabot. Not to mention the several people, myself included, that scum-read her.
I was responding to others who made that comment about me and agreeing with it, because it's true. And yes, my reads on several people in that post weren't great, because it was D1. I even made a "fluff" read on Nin that is in another post. I'm not trying to defend my weak D1 reads, it is something I need to work on, but at the very least I'm consistent in my D1 mediocrity. :-\
Careful you don't hurt yourself stretching here. Between the reply tab, current postcount tab, search tab and up-to-date thread tab, I missed some posts. It happens.
I mean, the first is a direct response to Ty4on's question, and the second (while not directed at me) was meant to both try to clarify with anecdotal experience, and to point out that detailing the item Natiko received (and speculating on others) should probably be avoided because scum can both see and influence that discussion. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
As to Magnum, I am kind of withholding judgement for now. On the one hand, he feels like a town who feels like they have a lead and is doggedly pursuing. On the other, having never played with Magnum before I can't say if that would be his scum cover/MO. On the third, mutant, hand, his vote on me is his only post after I prod voted but at least it gives a detailed explanation of why (even if I disagree, naturally).
I think we have about 12 hours left, and I only have a little bit before family stuff starts up, but I will try to be on end day, at least on mobile. My feelings on Melon haven't changed and that's probably where my vote will land, but I want to try to reread Kawl, Kyan and *Splinter. If I survive the next day/night phases, I'm home all week because of inauguration, so I'll be around a lot more.
I liked a lot of Natiko's post, but I did notice this as well.
For example:
This sounds like he's caught Stan bussing a teammate, but it assumes that Absolut is scum AND that Magnum is town (the latter assumption being especially eyebrow raising).
give me a 3000 word essay on your feelings on the current situation.
Not as crazy as it seems.
Cabot what are your thoughts on natiko on this situation.
I'm discarding it, it's pure conjecture.
I think that was a p good post. I'd say that maybe made me feel a bit worse about Bronx again because I had forgotten those posts.
Not sure what to make of Stanley right now. Not acting like he particularly cares he's in the running.
The bolded isn't really true, but I think I didn't explain it very clearly so maybe that's my fault.
My D1 read of Stanley was that there was "a difference" and he was making more of an effort than usual. I considered two possible reasons for that:
1) He's trying harder because he can be a bit low activity sometimes and often ends up in the blender list.
2) He's scum.
For D1, I chose to go with the former - in part because I don't want to trap somewhere in a box where they have to keep being low activity or they get scumread. Stan looked like he would be playing more, cool, let him keep that up and I'd have more opportunities to analyse him and determine his alignment.
End of D1 his vote was revealed to be scummy (I don't remember why at this moment), and that extra context makes me consider option 2 more strongly. So I'd say my scumread was more based on his D1 vote, and the playstyle change was just used as backup.
Also, for AB I only really had one thing to mention, and it was the vote that I had already talked about at the start of the day phase (maybe I should have repeated it). Apart from that he's a fairly solid null, maybe lean town for being consistent with past games.
Weren't your reads in Vampire pretty good? You were suspicious of batsnacks and Hobo D1, both scum.
Hmmm. Maybe I am looking too deep into it but I just don't like it
That's oddly specific. I wanna hear more about this and CCS posts you think support this theory.
AbsolutBro
Member
Batsnacks yes, but I don't think I scumread Hobo. Batsnacks did literally the exact thing that someone had just done in Overwatch: find some tiny inconsistency and jump overboard on it. Haven't seen that here. Earliest would maybe be Sorian on Bronx, but even then Sorian both backed away and was going after other players at the same time.
I can't be the only one not liking this post, the bolded part specifically? Kyanrute has some good hunting posts, and I find myself nodding at his Stan and *Splinter posts. Yet this joke kind of rubs me the wrong way. If he knows those two (Stan/*Splinter) are town, it's easier to put those town reads together.
Natiko if you come back can you expand on how the missing wolfs in your assumptions change the level of your scum reads?
Like people have said some of the scum reads are presupposed on another still alive player being scum.
If you're going to be making assumptions like that it might be better to post them slashed together or explicitly put out for others to better understand.
That post seems like a lot of solid work, even if some will call it over ambitious in putting forth a solved game. I'm sure kyan will award plus plus townie points for it.
Like people have said some of the scum reads are presupposed on another still alive player being scum.
If you're going to be making assumptions like that it might be better to post them slashed together or explicitly put out for others to better understand.
That post seems like a lot of solid work, even if some will call it over ambitious in putting forth a solved game. I'm sure kyan will award plus plus townie points for it.
If it was any one but kyan I'd be worried. He shit posts like this always. Actually the one non scum he had did he do this? Meh regardless I don't see it as particularly NAI for the shit posting swede.
^^^^^^ Now that's scummy...
Thread is so quiet sometimes. I still don't get the CSS lynch. Feel pretty confident he's not scum. He isn't very different to the CCS I remember from Pop. I'm scum reading the votes that came in quietly like Stanley's and think we should look at those if CCS is lynched and flips town.
Can't make out a clear scum read along the low activity group. AB, Bronx, Ynnek and Stanley all look bad to me. Terra and Magnum kinda null and maybe leaning town on Nin
Anyhow, town reads
Kawl - While I disagree with the CCS lynch it seems like a weird thing for scum to focus so much attention on. I'd have love to see more, but his tone is alright. He seems to really believe in the importance of the CCS lynch. I think scum are piggybacking this lynch rather than creating it.
Natiko - I've had so much uncertainty about him, but that means he's the player I've read the most thoroughly so I feel quite confident he is town. Lots of little things, going against the flow, finding small details, having strong opinions, claiming the night actions which I feel like scum would avoid and if scum he's probably lying which makes it even less likely IMO.
CzarTim - Haven't read him nearly as closely as I should have today, but he felt good yesterday. Had a read of me which changed, I like when reads change a bit, and was very negative of acohrs. Lots of small interactions with him where he was criticising him.
*Splinter - This is also mostly stuff from yesterday. Scum!Spinter is usually a lot more aggressive, controlling and interested in pushing an agenda, but here he has been more laidback and giving reads which is what he also did in his last games as town.
Cabot - Nothing sticks out, but that's kinda what he's always like. When I go deeper his posts are always thoughtful and don't give the impression of being analysis for analysis' sake.
Kyanrute - I need to give him a closer look, but right now looking quite good on the surface. He's used to being scum and good at staying out of sight, but his vote on D1 hit at a very important time and his analysis wasn't bad.
Thread is so quiet sometimes. I still don't get the CSS lynch. Feel pretty confident he's not scum. He isn't very different to the CCS I remember from Pop. I'm scum reading the votes that came in quietly like Stanley's and think we should look at those if CCS is lynched and flips town.
Can't make out a clear scum read along the low activity group. AB, Bronx, Ynnek and Stanley all look bad to me. Terra and Magnum kinda null and maybe leaning town on Nin
Anyhow, town reads
Kawl - While I disagree with the CCS lynch it seems like a weird thing for scum to focus so much attention on. I'd have love to see more, but his tone is alright. He seems to really believe in the importance of the CCS lynch. I think scum are piggybacking this lynch rather than creating it.
Natiko - I've had so much uncertainty about him, but that means he's the player I've read the most thoroughly so I feel quite confident he is town. Lots of little things, going against the flow, finding small details, having strong opinions, claiming the night actions which I feel like scum would avoid and if scum he's probably lying which makes it even less likely IMO.
CzarTim - Haven't read him nearly as closely as I should have today, but he felt good yesterday. Had a read of me which changed, I like when reads change a bit, and was very negative of acohrs. Lots of small interactions with him where he was criticising him.
*Splinter - This is also mostly stuff from yesterday. Scum!Spinter is usually a lot more aggressive, controlling and interested in pushing an agenda, but here he has been more laidback and giving reads which is what he also did in his last games as town.
Cabot - Nothing sticks out, but that's kinda what he's always like. When I go deeper his posts are always thoughtful and don't give the impression of being analysis for analysis' sake.
Kyanrute - I need to give him a closer look, but right now looking quite good on the surface. He's used to being scum and good at staying out of sight, but his vote on D1 hit at a very important time and his analysis wasn't bad.
I don't mean non-entity in terms of others discussing her, I mean I don't think she has shared much of worth in D2. Her play in D1 got criticism and now in D2 her only real discussion has been centered around Cabot who I'm pretty sure just about everyone except nin and her town read. If she was scum though I don't think she would be playing so frustrated nor do I think she would solo push Cabot so hard currently. It just doesn't seem likely so for now she's null.
I would posit this, if you are on the scum team and you've already lost a teammate D1 not to mention D1 your vote was considered pretty garbage by everyone - would you deem it the best strategy to come back and double down on it? I just don't buy it personally. He would've been better able to blend in had he voted for melon or CCS.
Well I noted before that the reason those posts get highlighted is you can see it across the theoretical scum that they did similar things that for the most part none of the other plays have done.
Along with that there are tiers for a reason, I think Bronx and Stan look scummy based just on the acohrs posts, their votes, and the overall content of their posts. I wouldn't call the AB points for each of them significant in influencing their placing, it more is circumstantial evidence that pushed AB up to leaning scum. Perhaps it would have been more useful to include it under AB, but since they were also in my scum list I included it under them as the authors.
In my mind the chances of them being scum goes something like Stanley > Bronx >>> AB >> *Splinter. As the game progresses I could see AB and Splinter moving, but as of right now I didn't feel there were two better candidates to place above them while also covering the idea of a scum vote on acohrs. That's why barring new evidence or a thunderdome on people that aren't Stan or Bronx I wouldn't vote on anyone but those two today.
I also know that there are likely three scum left, not four but since I don't think I'm perfect I've opted to list four. Also, I'm not sure if I answered your question because I didn't fully understand it, but I tried lol Clarify further if I missed the point and I'll try again.
Sorry that I have to do a two hour drive to pre-order, and that my driver decided today they'd probably go up.
It seems that way, because it was that way. As I said earlier, I had no strong preference towards CCS or acohrs, and voted simply to prevent a tie.
ok Karl this means war
No, not that. Pre-ordering a Switch ;pSorry that I have to do a two hour drive to pre-order, and that my driver decided today they'd probably go up.
I kind of want to preorder one but if Zelda doesn't really perform much better than on Wii U not much point.. Plus I don't want to preorder from GameStop online. They're garbo.
What about CCS? Sorry if I'm being dense, but I don't remember you saying much about him lately.
Looks like I'm still here for a little bit. Entirely possible I may or may not miss day end tho.
I feel like the conversation has resigned itself to a few talking points, but nobody actually wants to commit to a lynch.
I feel like the conversation has resigned itself to a few talking points, but nobody actually wants to commit to a lynch.
hey some of us do
I disagree, off the top of my head we have
Me - melon
Kawl - CCS
Natiko - Stan or Bronx
I think AB wants melon but I can't be bothered checking right now, making dinner.
Re: if there is a bus vote on acohrs, it would be either Splinter or Ty
Ok so Ty posts a lot so I might've missed something. Hopefully not. If there was a bus vote on acohrs, I'd guess Ty to be the one.
Ty's playstyle in general seems to involve a lot of questions, something that he himself has said. This can be seen in his communication with acohrs too. But, scum or no scum?
There is the fact that bussing is a thing that scum do and Ty is the only one whom I think fits the bill. The only other concrete thing I see is that Ty to me seems too trusting when it comes to CCS and his reads. "I do not want to lynch CCS or acohrs because of CCS's jedi reads." Not his own reads, but the reads of a person who to me was acting in an irrational way. Seems very strange to me. Ty's acohrs vote itself comes late enough to join the train but in a point where I feel he could be a scum sacrificing a mate for #townpoints. To answer the question, scum, when it comes to this point. I will read d2 Ty again to see if my view changes.
Ok so Ty posts a lot so I might've missed something. Hopefully not. If there was a bus vote on acohrs, I'd guess Ty to be the one.
Ty's playstyle in general seems to involve a lot of questions, something that he himself has said. This can be seen in his communication with acohrs too. But, scum or no scum?
There is the fact that bussing is a thing that scum do and Ty is the only one whom I think fits the bill. The only other concrete thing I see is that Ty to me seems too trusting when it comes to CCS and his reads. "I do not want to lynch CCS or acohrs because of CCS's jedi reads." Not his own reads, but the reads of a person who to me was acting in an irrational way. Seems very strange to me. Ty's acohrs vote itself comes late enough to join the train but in a point where I feel he could be a scum sacrificing a mate for #townpoints. To answer the question, scum, when it comes to this point. I will read d2 Ty again to see if my view changes.
This one makes me think Ty isn't scum, to be honest. Unless he had already fully decided to bus this is very aggressive against a teammate in trouble.
My general feeling is he's nonsense. I think he's bad for town regardless of his alignment, but I realized I was tunneling in on him before and thought it was best to step away. It's impossible to truly know his alignment because he apparently has settled on playing like a loon regardless of alignment for whatever reason.
I wasn't trusting of CCS' reads, I remembered his reads in Pop which were completely off and helped cost us the game
And yes I stood on the fence for a long time. I didn't see what was the big deal with their self voting. I voted acohrs because both played like they did in Pop and players that I trusted like CzarTim and Natiko were pushing for his lynch.
It feels like he's bouncing back and fourth between "IDGAF ¯\_(ツ
I wasn't trusting of CCS' reads, I remembered his reads in Pop which were completely off and helped cost us the game
And yes I stood on the fence for a long time. I didn't see what was the big deal with their self voting. I voted acohrs because both played like they did in Pop and players that I trusted like CzarTim and Natiko were pushing for his lynch.
I myself considered the self votes confusing and unnecessary. They made no sense as a town play and I don't still see the good scum play in them. Could you explain what exactly you thought about the self votes, apart from them being not a big deal? How did you explain them to yourself?
These was my post on it on Day 1.
Stupid, anti-town behavior. Except now we know one of them wasn't town.
Sophia, that quote was not meant for that post, stupid multitasking Kyan is reading and quoting and writing posts all at the same time and that is what he gets, a mixup of things. But yes, the book of Sophia and acohrs:
+one quote in Sophia's post above, well done Kyan in terms of the things missed
Ty. While Sophia's vote does fit the bus idea where scum would want to be on the train to gain townpoints but would not be willing to join the train until at the last possible minute because they'd want to save their mate, Sophia's antagonizing ways make her vote more convincing than that of Ty's. There is a case where scum Sophia is throwing shade at her mate right from the start for them #townpoints, but I find the case of defensive Ty more convincing myself.
It feels like he's bouncing back and fourth between "IDGAF ¯\_(ツ
+one quote in Sophia's post above, well done Kyan in terms of the things missed
Ty. While Sophia's vote does fit the bus idea where scum would want to be on the train to gain townpoints but would not be willing to join the train until at the last possible minute because they'd want to save their mate, Sophia's antagonizing ways make her vote more convincing than that of Ty's. There is a case where scum Sophia is throwing shade at her mate right from the start for them #townpoints, but I find the case of defensive Ty more convincing myself.
When I see someone do stupid things they're usually town. I don't think much about them and look elsewhere.
melonrabbit
Member
I'd flip CCS for the anti-town shenanigans, lack of caring or attempting to contribute (even when pushed), sheeping, and other frustrating behavior. Without it we can't close the loop with acohrs. And I recognize it could just be me getting such scummy vibes from this play style.
I will put my vote down for now.
vote: CCS
However, I am willing to switch my vote to Stan, if that gains traction or if there's a tie.
I will put my vote down for now.
vote: CCS
However, I am willing to switch my vote to Stan, if that gains traction or if there's a tie.