Yeah did noone do their homework?Ty4on where you at?
I thought CzarTim might have crumbed what Natiko got, but didn't find anything.
Checking Kawl rn, but nothing is standing out. Maaaaybe this:
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I thought CzarTim might have crumbed what Natiko got, but didn't find anything.
Checking Kawl rn, but nothing is standing out. Maaaaybe this:
melonrabbit
Member
Yeah did noone do their homework?
Do you think we can get Sawneeks to do it?
Two quotes that I have made possible guesses from:
1st quote: I may have been targeted, though his role of watcher doesn't make me particualrly sure.
2nd quote: He definitely did not target CCS
Sophia and maybe Stan. Kyan moved up too, but I gotta go look over his posts again.
Ynnek7, Nin1000, Bronx-Man and Terrabyte20xx are all nulls too. Magnum slightly town from tone. Bronx I wanna compare to Pop and other games and I can't remember Nin's opinions which is odd.
melonrabbit
Member
Ynnek was the SK in Pokémon, right?
What happened between yesterday and today cabot ?
I know melon is still as null on your list but considering you were trying to push her out, i would like to hear what happened.
ok, makes sense. Thank you
I keep coming back to this post.
AbsolutBro
Member
morning folks. getting some thoughts down, then going to make breakfast. will reread more thoroughly after that.
Kawl only had one night to watch someone, so hopefully he got a hit.
Some people get bothered if you don't go into full detail on a vote.
Kawl was popping up on some radars for his insistent tunnel on CCS, despite his flip not really giving us much. Both Czar and Natiko were pretty townread for good reasons, so the fact that they were lovers was really unfortunate. :-\
Kawl only had one night to watch someone, so hopefully he got a hit.
Obviously not, considering his target for D2 was CCS, ordinary who couldn't do squat to anyone.
I've always suspected one of nin and *Splinter are scum because of the way they just came in after a long dead period in D1 and sat a vote on acohrs, and they're both in good positions to see a reasonably healthy bus.
I think *Splinter's actions today have not helped my read, I disagree with his feelings on me being alive.
I'm also aware my main town tell was him being lazier than usual, which leans town Splinter.
I've told him of this tell in the past though, something he could have changed up for this game specifically.
What did you remember about Kyan that was suddenly Town, lover?
I think *Splinter's actions today have not helped my read, I disagree with his feelings on me being alive.
I'm also aware my main town tell was him being lazier than usual, which leans town Splinter.
I've told him of this tell in the past though, something he could have changed up for this game specifically.
What did you remember about Kyan that was suddenly Town, lover?
acohrs doesn't mention Splinter at all during D1, whereas Splinter throws some shade at acohrs here and there before planting the vote:
inexperienced scum trying to ignore team mate?
experienced scum rightfully pointing out how scummy teammate looks?
inexperienced scum trying to ignore team mate?
experienced scum rightfully pointing out how scummy teammate looks?
Forgetting about D1 end is making me town lean on Splinter. He's on top of things as scum so I find it weird he'd just forget about it like that when a mate is on the line.
What do you make of Kyan's vote on D1? He kinda came out of nowhere, just posted this 2 hours before the deadline and then basically nothing before the vote.
It's a bit of a wishy washy vote post but Towards end of D1 and most of D2 I solidly read Kyan as town. Nothing in particular has changed that.
Natikos scum reads were Bronx and Stan, his scum leans were *Splinter and AB.
Honestly, AB is the only one out of the four I'd disagree with. I could see the other three.
Natikos scum reads were Bronx and Stan, his scum leans were *Splinter and AB.
Honestly, AB is the only one out of the four I'd disagree with. I could see the other three.
I thought there was a green check on him, could be reading into things too much though
sounds like you need to do some homework there
Why?
Did you misunderstand my post or are you asking me to speculate on town power roles?
Sophia, Sorry to ask but could you follow up to that ? I liked it and i suck in doing that myself.
Something else to add besides that comment ?
You are almost in the same position as me.
You dont really chime in, dont tip on any toes.
You are here.
But not really here.
you just.
Are
Give me like a half hour.
Mmm, you'll have to give me a bit. I'm a bit busy today so my biggest contributions are gonna be later on.
Based specifically off that list, Melon and Stanley give off the worst vibes. Stanley especially has some weird and poor justifications for giving Acohrs a pass in Day 1. But the worst is the "too scummy to be scum" excuse for "convincing" himself that Acohrs can't be scum. Not a good read at all.
And then look at his argument for Day 2
Not much of an argument for voting CCS, but slight shade to justify why no scum was speaking up. Again Not a good look at all.
(Also, despite what Stanley asks, no Nin your Day 2 play was not adorable. It was infuriating.)
It sounded like you thought it was out in the open
Your line of logic is that if I were an SK, I would go specifically after people that targeted me. If this is the case, why is nin still alive despite me wanting to lynch him all of D2?
Actually, go deeper into this. Explain why you think I'm so 'erratic' apparently.
I deserve all the heat on me.
AB was hoping you'd offer some more thoughts after your breakfast.
Can the other three post some content as well please.
The low posters do bother me. We're at the point in the game where you should have a clear opinion of what is going on in the game. Not actively engaging to some degree in the conversation is literally anti-town now.
For reference. Here are the votes in question if anyone wishes to look back at them.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Personally, Splinter's behavior bothers me a little. I can't quite put my finger on it just yet though. Doesn't help that I usually read him wrong.
As for the previous day's vote, I didn't care for how I left it myself but I knew I was not going to make days end and needed to get something down. CCS was the most suspicious to me at the time.
As for the previous day's vote, I didn't care for how I left it myself but I knew I was not going to make days end and needed to get something down. CCS was the most suspicious to me at the time.
You're kind of a mystery because Pop didn't really say much before leaving the game. We only have your Day 2 vote as well, which is on a very easy target in CCS.
Anyone else bothering you besides Splinter?
Heya, everyone. Sorry for not posting today until now, I left my phone charger at home today and won't get back home until later tonight. In trying to conserve my battery I've had trouble keeping up on the thread. Gonna try to take a few to post now, though.
Yep. I was also a 1 shot vigilante in Price is Right, and a neutral killer in Vampire. Night kills have kind of been my thing, lol. I already said that I think Sorian was the non-mafia kill on night one, and that seems to be the consensus, but I'm not sure what to make of last night's kills yet. Definitely puts us in a bad spot if we can't hit another scum soon, though.
Yep. I was also a 1 shot vigilante in Price is Right, and a neutral killer in Vampire. Night kills have kind of been my thing, lol. I already said that I think Sorian was the non-mafia kill on night one, and that seems to be the consensus, but I'm not sure what to make of last night's kills yet. Definitely puts us in a bad spot if we can't hit another scum soon, though.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Yeah, I was a little disappointed that I wasn't replacing a known quantity and having to back track their opinions, I was kinda hoping I would be able to do that but alas. Day 2 was an easy target because I replaced in. Reading day one after the fact is not the same as reading it in progress. You don't get to guage the moments of pause and lack of posting. Stuff like that is what really helps contribute to how I read people.
Speaking of, Magnums lack of discussion also bothers me. It's hard to give a proper read on him when you consider that he is my brother IRL, so I have to try to keep the outside meta to as little as possible as that would be unfair in the game. But the fact is he has pretty much been a non-entity the entire game.
Ya know, I was wondering if the whole 20xx thing was just a coincidence. Guess not, lol.
AbsolutBro
Member
Apologies for not posting sooner or posting more. There seems to be something going around my house and I have found it exceedingly difficult to focus on anything.
1. [f] Sophia - Still leaning town. Need to read more, but feels like Sophia has been more on the defensive this game. Granted, I'm not exceedingly familiar with Sophia's playstyle, despite playing her in Gafia II. But still feels town.
2. [m] StanleyPalmtree - Kawl's death actually makes me wonder if Stanley is scum. The whole "lol betrayed", "lol tied", [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228371173&postcount=1864]"lol jk" sequence is certainly not how I would think a town would react to that. Granted, Kawl can be flighty, but we KNOW Kawl was town now. It makes this look worse imo.
5. [f] Melonrabbit - I'm still leaning scum. I understand the "frustrated town" perspective, where you want to do more but can't seem to focus on anything. Cabot being alive doesn't clear melon as town, imo, since even with his focus on you there wasn't much building momentum for scum to work with without suspicion.
6. [m] Ty4on - Slight scum lean. Ty4on is basically the only unaccounted for vote on Sophia on D1. I'm discounting pop because it seemed like a joke vote at the time (and then he was replaced). CCS and CzarTim were definitely town, which just leaves Ty4on. Not a bad place for scum to stash a vote, even temporarily, before a bus vote on Acohrs.
7. [m] AbsolutBro - Myself. Once again, included for completeness.
11. [m] *Splinter - I suck at reading *Splinter I think. This post reeks. "Kyan's post is fluffy, so I'm going to make my post equally or more difficult to read just to highlight that." Wut. OTOH, he's right. The post he's quoting is a giant "I wanted to wait until we had definitive information, so I waited until after the lynch to ask." One sentence; point *Splinter. He was the first to mention cabot being alive being strange though. If scum kept cabot alive for a reason, why be the first to mention it?
14. [m] Kyanrute - The "lol-not-scum" posts still bother me a bit. I know Kawl said it's nothing, but Kawl's dead. Kyan's back and forth with *Splinter, I frankly can't tell if it's two town bickering or two scum pretending to bicker. But it's so late in the game I really don't feel like scum would be drawing attention to each other like this. Town/Scum mix? I would put my vote on Kyan being scum before *Splinter.
16. [m] Ynnek7 - Less posts than even MagnumBoy20xx. If we could spare a policy lynch, I would probably lynch you immediately.
17. [m] Nin1000 - I still can't tell if Nin's lack of laser focus is a scumtell, or just an off-game (it happens <3 ). I don't think I have played with scumNin, so I can't say if that's a normal change. Many of his posts read as prompting, but lack anything else behind them. Hard to say. I feel like if he was scum he'd be hesitant to change up his playstyle dramatically.
18. [m] Bronx-Man - His being at odds D2 with Kawl right before Kawl strikes me as odd. For the record, I am not saying Bronx had anything directly to do with Kawl's death. Is someone trying to paint Bronx in a light to build a case against him? Is scum hoping to deflect attention by killing Kawl? No idea. I do feel like Bronx has been fairly engaged, engaging and working for town though.
19. [m] Terrabyte20xx - Being a replacement is always weird, but Terra came in D2 so it's not like he was super behind. Spent some early posts defending melon, which I find odd but that could be because of my read of melon. I do find the lack of "omg three deaths" post kind of strange, but I guess enough discussion had passed before then that it would have been redundant filler anyway.
20. [m] MagnumBoy20xx - Despite going back and forth, I lean town. There's not much to go on, admittedly, but IME town tends to tunnel far more than scum does. Scum tunnels usually don't end well for the scum player.
13. [m] Cabot - Why is he alive? I basically put it into one of three camps: 1. Scum wants cabot alive so he can tunnel Melon (see above). 2. Scum wants cabot alive becuase he townreads a scum player. Thinks melon is more scum than Stan? 3: Cabot IS scum and is stringing us along. Least likely option, imo. I find it more likely scum is using him to defend someone than tunnel someone who didn't even get second place in the lynch contest. (I moved cabot down to the bottom because I wanted *Splinter and Kyanrute next to each other. Their entries sort of bled into each other.)
For now:
Vote: melonrabbit
I frankly don't think cabot's continued survival is enough to clear you.
Going to lie down for a bit and then try to eat dinner. I should be back on this evening, and hopefully be back on tomorrow.
1. [f] Sophia - Still leaning town. Need to read more, but feels like Sophia has been more on the defensive this game. Granted, I'm not exceedingly familiar with Sophia's playstyle, despite playing her in Gafia II. But still feels town.
2. [m] StanleyPalmtree - Kawl's death actually makes me wonder if Stanley is scum. The whole "lol betrayed", "lol tied", [url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=228371173&postcount=1864]"lol jk" sequence is certainly not how I would think a town would react to that. Granted, Kawl can be flighty, but we KNOW Kawl was town now. It makes this look worse imo.
5. [f] Melonrabbit - I'm still leaning scum. I understand the "frustrated town" perspective, where you want to do more but can't seem to focus on anything. Cabot being alive doesn't clear melon as town, imo, since even with his focus on you there wasn't much building momentum for scum to work with without suspicion.
6. [m] Ty4on - Slight scum lean. Ty4on is basically the only unaccounted for vote on Sophia on D1. I'm discounting pop because it seemed like a joke vote at the time (and then he was replaced). CCS and CzarTim were definitely town, which just leaves Ty4on. Not a bad place for scum to stash a vote, even temporarily, before a bus vote on Acohrs.
7. [m] AbsolutBro - Myself. Once again, included for completeness.
11. [m] *Splinter - I suck at reading *Splinter I think. This post reeks. "Kyan's post is fluffy, so I'm going to make my post equally or more difficult to read just to highlight that." Wut. OTOH, he's right. The post he's quoting is a giant "I wanted to wait until we had definitive information, so I waited until after the lynch to ask." One sentence; point *Splinter. He was the first to mention cabot being alive being strange though. If scum kept cabot alive for a reason, why be the first to mention it?
14. [m] Kyanrute - The "lol-not-scum" posts still bother me a bit. I know Kawl said it's nothing, but Kawl's dead. Kyan's back and forth with *Splinter, I frankly can't tell if it's two town bickering or two scum pretending to bicker. But it's so late in the game I really don't feel like scum would be drawing attention to each other like this. Town/Scum mix? I would put my vote on Kyan being scum before *Splinter.
16. [m] Ynnek7 - Less posts than even MagnumBoy20xx. If we could spare a policy lynch, I would probably lynch you immediately.
17. [m] Nin1000 - I still can't tell if Nin's lack of laser focus is a scumtell, or just an off-game (it happens <3 ). I don't think I have played with scumNin, so I can't say if that's a normal change. Many of his posts read as prompting, but lack anything else behind them. Hard to say. I feel like if he was scum he'd be hesitant to change up his playstyle dramatically.
18. [m] Bronx-Man - His being at odds D2 with Kawl right before Kawl strikes me as odd. For the record, I am not saying Bronx had anything directly to do with Kawl's death. Is someone trying to paint Bronx in a light to build a case against him? Is scum hoping to deflect attention by killing Kawl? No idea. I do feel like Bronx has been fairly engaged, engaging and working for town though.
19. [m] Terrabyte20xx - Being a replacement is always weird, but Terra came in D2 so it's not like he was super behind. Spent some early posts defending melon, which I find odd but that could be because of my read of melon. I do find the lack of "omg three deaths" post kind of strange, but I guess enough discussion had passed before then that it would have been redundant filler anyway.
20. [m] MagnumBoy20xx - Despite going back and forth, I lean town. There's not much to go on, admittedly, but IME town tends to tunnel far more than scum does. Scum tunnels usually don't end well for the scum player.
13. [m] Cabot - Why is he alive? I basically put it into one of three camps: 1. Scum wants cabot alive so he can tunnel Melon (see above). 2. Scum wants cabot alive becuase he townreads a scum player. Thinks melon is more scum than Stan? 3: Cabot IS scum and is stringing us along. Least likely option, imo. I find it more likely scum is using him to defend someone than tunnel someone who didn't even get second place in the lynch contest. (I moved cabot down to the bottom because I wanted *Splinter and Kyanrute next to each other. Their entries sort of bled into each other.)
For now:
Vote: melonrabbit
I frankly don't think cabot's continued survival is enough to clear you.
Going to lie down for a bit and then try to eat dinner. I should be back on this evening, and hopefully be back on tomorrow.
I don't get this train of thought at all. This logic only makes sense if you assume scum are responsible for all night deaths. If you assume they've been shooting the high posters (Kawl and Sorian), then there were more higher priorities then cabot. If you assume they've been shooting elsewhere (Franconp, CzarTim, Natiko) then what makes you think they'd shoot cabot over their existing targets?
melonrabbit
Member
Okay?
I'm not sure what you want me to say in response to that. That was Cabot's whole theory not mine.
melonrabbit
Member
Because both you and Nin are scum? I literally just said I didn't consider you as a SK candidate until Cabot brought it up. Pokémon is my only other game with you so I wanted more background on your play.
Where to begin...your feud with Sorian, overly defensive nature, paranoia about being lynched, constant disappearing acts, spotty voting record, one minute you are doing your own thing and then change your stance to appease the majority.
It just adds up into more and more questions.
But since you're here. Who's your scum picks and town?
I guarantee you multiple people will come in to say that's a constant from me in every game.
And they wouldn't be wrong.
As for my reads:
Lean Town
Cabot
Sophia
Ty
Lean Scum
Nin
StanleyPalmtree
Null
Kyan
I still feel like Nin is likeliest to be scum.