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Legend of Zelda Wii U Gameplay Demo
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Inquisitive_Ghost
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Seems like most people immediately saw that lake as a skull, but my first thought was actually Mother & Child Isles.
TheCongressman1
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I'm just going to edit that post because people are picking up on things I wasn't intending.
I was saying that the original shot has a ton of details, while there are much less in other areas we see in this new demo. It was really just an observation, rather than me trying to imply something about the development.
Here is the path I think they took in the demo:
- They start out where the green arrow on the map is, obviously. Facing the tower and the tall mountain in the northwest corner of the map. They jump off northwest. Sunset.
- They reach a cliffside with a torch near a body of water. They are pretty close to the tower. They find Epona. I think the torch may be the tent icon on the map. Still sunset.
- They ride along a shallow pond and then around a massive forested plain. If they didn't mess with the time of day it took a while to get here because it's midday.
- They ride up a hill while talking about swinging a sword. A tower is in the distance, possibly the same tower. Aonuma wants to go someplace where he can find enemies.
- They arrive at the dungeon area south east of the bridge across Lake Hylia heading away from the bridge, implying they crossed it. They fight some enemies here. It is now sunrise.
- They ride through a narrow forest path. Can't really place it. If it's shortly after the last clip then it is still sunrise and based on the shadows they are heading west back towards the lake.
- They go back towards the Lake Hylia bridge, then turn back around and head towards the dungeon area, then end the demo.
Speaking of content that doesn't make it in, I wonder if that would be a good fit for zelda DLC.
Entryhazard
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I hope there's some order in dungeons because the ones in ALBW suffered in complexity of puzzles and difficulty because of no order.
Also, ALTTP >>>>>>>>>> Zelda 1 in every way
Also, ALTTP >>>>>>>>>> Zelda 1 in every way
They enlisted monolith for SS, but monolith seems mostly busy at the moment. I assume if XCX is near completion, a portion of the dev team is free, so hopefully they got pulled into Zelda. That said, no idea how many.
ReyVGM
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That's because of two reasons:
1) The video was not direct feed, so you will not be able to see as many details as that original direct feed reveal trailer.
2) The new video is in a different area and different time of day, so it probably has less colorful vegetation.
It's the console Zelda team and the handheld Zelda team combined.
No clue how many, but nothing compared to most other companies.
http://kotaku.com/the-big-zelda-interview-e3-2014-1592548169
At least aonuma is aware of the concern.
Given the same dev time, let's make up a number. You can have 4 big, long dungeons, or 7 smaller dungeons. While the 4 bigger dungeons might feel more epic, having 7 dungeons means you now have 7 different settings/themes. Potentially more bosses, but who's to say they wouldn't just become minibosses in the larger dungeons. Also, having more dungeons might be better at pacing the game (not everyone has the time to play through a larger dungeon in one sitting). It also, on paper at least, makes it seem like the game is longer. I guarantee that if you have 4 dungeons that take longer than all of OoT's dungeon's combined, you'll get troves of people complaining that 'LoL the game only has FOUR dungeons,' etc. I think you need to strike a balance.
Also, ALBW dungeon length was partly because it was a handheld game, so they like to make things a bit more bite-sized on there (see Luigi's mansion 1 vs 2)
ViewtifulJC
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Ragnarok how long have you been starring at that one video man
FunkyMunkey
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I agree
It should just be like the original Zelda. Make certain dungeons and areas too hard for the player to want to explore. Or let us realize that we're ill prepared somehow.
Mato
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That doesn't sound enough for a project of this scope...
Because i'm thinking that, if they had areas (of the overworld) that looked more polished, maybe they would've shown those.
I guess we'll see how the game looks at E3 though, maybe they didn't want to spoil anything decent for the TGAs.
TheCongressman1
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Could very well be. Certainly because it's low quality we won't be able to see a lot of detail. But you can see the flowers up close no problem. There's just a lot less in these areas. Of course not every inch needs to be a field full of flowers.
Which reminds me, same thing with the grass, not every field needs to be a lush green field. I'm hoping they end up varying the color of grass in different regions.
Has this been pointed out already? I was rewatching the video and saw a brown deer/antler or something with horns standing on top of that rock right of the screen.
Lol, I just have to say... This gif makes the game go from looking terrible to gorgeous in mere moments.
I can answer this for you
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No, but seriously, thanks for all of the good analysis Ragnarok. Been very fun reading your posts. Now to wait for the GameXplain.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Awesome memberHere is the path I think they took in the demo:
- They start out where the green arrow on the map is, obviously. Facing the tower and the tall mountain in the northwest corner of the map. They jump off northwest. Sunset.
- They reach a cliffside with a torch near a body of water. They are pretty close to the tower. They find Epona. I think the torch may be the tent icon on the map. Still sunset.
- They ride along a shallow pond and then around a massive forested plain. If they didn't mess with the time of day it took a while to get here because it's midday.
- They ride up a hill while talking about swinging a sword. A tower is in the distance, possibly the same tower. Aonuma wants to go someplace where he can find enemies.
- They arrive at the dungeon area south east of the bridge across Lake Hylia heading away from the bridge, implying they crossed it. They fight some enemies here. It is now sunrise.
- They ride through a narrow forest path. Can't really place it. If it's shortly after the last clip then it is still sunrise and based on the shadows they are heading west back towards the lake.
- They go back towards the Lake Hylia bridge, then turn back around and head towards the dungeon area, then end the demo.
ReyVGM
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Where exactly did Aonuma get the idea that people wanted to tackle dungeons in any order?
In Zelda 1 you could enter dungeons in any order, but you certainly weren't able to complete them all whenever you wanted.
Maybe he could solve that issue A Link Between Worlds had with the simple dungeons by letting people enter some or all dungeons at anytime in Zelda U, but not letting you complete them until you get the appropriate gear.
But that's one of the ugliest part of that gameplay video.
In Zelda 1 you could enter dungeons in any order, but you certainly weren't able to complete them all whenever you wanted.
Maybe he could solve that issue A Link Between Worlds had with the simple dungeons by letting people enter some or all dungeons at anytime in Zelda U, but not letting you complete them until you get the appropriate gear.
But that's one of the ugliest part of that gameplay video.
TheCongressman1
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Well going from seems to be a completely flat texture to a nice grass shader will do that.
Dragon's Dogma are good, especially when you get caught out deep in one at nightfall, and are veing chased by enemies above your level and you cant see beyond your small latern glow.
That is one of the inly games that actually feels you are going out on a real open world adventure when you leave a town. Plan your route, stay near roads, keep an eye on the time of day, you actually have to weight risk or reward if you want to check out a newly discovered path, or play it safe and get to a safe spot for night.
At least for a lot of the begining of the game.
Or if you are just talking about tree density, they were pretty good for last gen. Id image a forest too dense would just be un fun to navigate and possible be a poor player experience.
Haunted
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Also, despite what the translation said, that collection of trees seemed more like an obstacle course designed to test and show off the auto horse tech than a fully realised area of the overworld.
If you really need an in-game explanation, it's more of an Apple orchard they're riding through, the area isn't dense or dark enough to be intended as a forest, imo.
If you really need an in-game explanation, it's more of an Apple orchard they're riding through, the area isn't dense or dark enough to be intended as a forest, imo.
Precisely my point.
All the people suggesting the game will look bad or will be empty are silly. I whole-heartedly agree that, at this point, there are some ugly parts, and the world does look very empty, but I've no doubt those problems will be dealt with by the time the game comes out.
Can't wait for E3!!!
Nintendo listened to fans complain about the Zelda Formula/linearity and decided to overcompensate...
Nintendo don't Half-Ass things, which is bad here.
People say Zelda is too linear...doing dungeons in any order will solve this!
People say Mario is too stale...do it yourself then, scrubs!
People say we need a new F-Zero...have 2 F-Zeros! One for each platform
plz?
Clearly we aren't being vocal enough to get F-Zero or Kirby Tilt and Tumble 2 (among other things)
Wow looking at 1 & 2 on the map. This world is going to be sooooo hugeHere is the path I think they took in the demo:
- They start out where the green arrow on the map is, obviously. Facing the tower and the tall mountain in the northwest corner of the map. They jump off northwest. Sunset.
- They reach a cliffside with a torch near a body of water. They are pretty close to the tower. They find Epona. I think the torch may be the tent icon on the map. Still sunset.
- They ride along a shallow pond and then around a massive forested plain. If they didn't mess with the time of day it took a while to get here because it's midday.
- They ride up a hill while talking about swinging a sword. A tower is in the distance, possibly the same tower. Aonuma wants to go someplace where he can find enemies.
- They arrive at the dungeon area south east of the bridge across Lake Hylia heading away from the bridge, implying they crossed it. They fight some enemies here. It is now sunrise.
- They ride through a narrow forest path. Can't really place it. If it's shortly after the last clip then it is still sunrise and based on the shadows they are heading west back towards the lake.
- They go back towards the Lake Hylia bridge, then turn back around and head towards the dungeon area, then end the demo.
Wish we had a close up shot of the bokoblins.
Looks like they're much more wind waker style than tp or ss.
Which is good. The tp designs don't even look like remotely like how they should, and the ss one's were just plain ugly and not threatening at all.
I only found the first 4 dungeons and gave up after an hour of wandering about.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I dont get that.. did the bokoblin die or just get pushed back?Wish we had a close up shot of the bokoblins.
Nintendo's history with Zelda post OoT seems to be overcompensating for fan reactions. I don't mind though as it does get me very different Zelda games I can enjoy.
Well, with the sailcloth I'd say they could reach that area in less than a minute.
Based on the landmark land formations I'd say he's just past the forested area near the oblong lake where the tent icon is. The torch is probably what that icon represents, probably some kind of waypoint.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if reaching the tower from where they started only takes a couple of minutes. Still, it's a big map.
Nice they do a nice job of breaking down some stuff, and thats only a day after the video, GameXplain video should be really deep since they are taking a lot of time on this
Knocked back. It's part of a longer scene I wanted to make but the file is far too big.
It's shown here: http://youtu.be/FUq4w7LtGZ0?t=2m33s
My scene is after he got up from being shot at the first time.
Wish we had a close up shot of the bokoblins.
You sure Link isn't a girl in this?
They look kinda demonic too, what with the glowing eyes and whatnot.
I actually didn't mind the lack of puzzle complexity in dungeons in ALBW. For me, if dungeons were just about puzzles, I wouldn't care that much because they are easy. Dungeons are also rube goldberg mechanisms towards the boss door, sort to speak, and when dungeon designs come together perfectly in some thematic or mechanical way, it makes me have this feeling that things are complete. In that sense, I was satisfied with many of the dungeons in that game even if many of the puzzles were simple. That said, this is a console game, so I agree that things are different for Zelda WiiU.
TheCongressman1
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The voice is still male Link. At certain times it does look feminine, so it might just be a placeholder but idk.
I think it would be neat if Zelda and Link were both adventures. I wouldn't mind reworking conventions of playing alone with some optional coop.
RomanceDawn
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The voice is still male Link. At certain times it does look feminine, so it might just be a placeholder but idk.
I think it would be neat if Zelda and Link were both adventures. I wouldn't mind reworking conventions of playing alone with some optional coop.
Honestly I'm still expecting it. Remember that check list of things Aonuma mentioned way before even A Link Between Worlds came out? Something about playing alone. I bet we'll get some coop like Tingle Tuner but much more involved. Maybe not quite as extreme as 4 swords though.
Inquisitive_Ghost
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Wish we had a close up shot of the bokoblins.
If you look at this gif or at this part of the video, you can see on the right side something extremely bright and white. The way Aonuma manipulates the camera prevents us from getting a better view, though it could just be that's how he plays. The angle is all wrong for it to be sunbeams or anything like that.
Also, the animal standing like a sentry on the hill reminds me of the golden wolf in Twilight Princess.
Edit: Something else I'm not sure has been mentioned: I think you can see the volcano in the footage. Right near the end when Link rides around the rock with the "deer" standing on it, there is a mountain in the distance with a yellowish cloud above it and a very orange crown.
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