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[dryuriev7777]

Instead, be like me where you give yourself a treat every time you *think* about going to the gym and then proceed to not go to the gym.

Edit: mother fucking new Phoenix Wright out today my god everything is glorious. Who needs a boyfriend or diamond-cutting abs when you have a Zero Suit Samus amiibo and a new PH game that actually has Maya in it?

 

[Astral Dog]

no i dont like that Free Porn Day thing,false advertising!. "free" account for 20 minutes (credit card needed) this, not anything different on this one so you need to pay, this other i dont like the guys etc.

maybe straight Gaf had better luck at least.

 

[Astral Dog]

constantly texting a boy about how their schooling is going because im bad at convos and goddamnit all i wanna do is just talk to you LOVE ME

you can do what i have been seeing trending on Youtube , text a romantic song line by line, its going to be fun

for example but this one is a bit boring, Juzstin Bieber semms to be the popular choice.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Just be a hedonist.

So that when my liver craps out at 45 I can have the grim realization that all of my best days are behind me?

Epicureanism is the only form of Hedonism that makes sense to me, and it is not what anyone would normally think of as hedonism. It's actually not so far from something like Buddhism where 'freedom-from-stress' is considered the ideal form of pleasure because it is actually hedonically sustainable (you don't get fucked over by the hedonic treadmill, etc).

occasionally indulging in excess is one of lifes greatest pleasures though

dont be so tough on yourself umop

I don't think I'm that hard on myself. I just don't need to watch tons of gangbang porn or something, because that's so far removed from what 'sex' generally is. I can maybe keep my brain calibrated to a more sane sort of sexuality without necessarily having to give up sexuality entirely. That's more the idea I was trying to get at with my original post.

 

[Wil348]

Is it bad that I don't? People keep yelling at me to get into it and I just never have. As much as I love Pokemon, I'm honestly surprised I haven't given it a go.

The good thing about me not having mobile internet is that I can use that as an excuse to not play Pokemon Go.

 

[Pamplemousse]

So that when my liver craps out at 45 I can have the grim realization that all of my best days are behind me?

Epicureanism is the only form of Hedonism that makes sense to me, and it is not what anyone would normally think of as hedonism. It's actually not so far from something like Buddhism where 'freedom-from-stress' is considered the ideal form of pleasure because it is actually hedonically sustainable (you don't get fucked over by the hedonic treadmill, etc).

I think a lot of social ills can be traced to denying people their right to pursue what brings them pleasure. I think your liver thing doesn't really apply because that's more just escaping an undesirable reality.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I think a lot of social ills can be traced to denying people their right to pursue what brings them pleasure. I think your liver thing doesn't really apply because that's more just escaping an undesirable reality.

A lot of things can bring people pleasure, like family or relationships, a meaningful sense of accomplishment, etc. I think if we can observe anything from 'human nature' or society it's that being merely reactive and putting ourselves at the beck and call of our every desire is one of the biggest culprits for making us profoundly miserable. That doesn't mean that we have to be rigidly self-controlled weirdos but there are ways of ennobling ourselves that aren't just a constant brute force tug-of-war with our basic instincts. We can work with ourselves to improve ourselves instead of fighting against ourselves, this isn't really any kind of overly simple dichotomy of 'self-denial vs self-permission' or something like that, we can have higher order values, see the sensibility and satisfaction of those, and use those as a meaningful part of our decision making about what sort of person we would like to be.

 

[RatskyWatsky]

I just don't need to watch tons of gangbang porn or something, because that's so far removed from what 'sex' generally is.

what kind of provincial sex life...

I can maybe keep my brain calibrated to a more sane sort of sexuality without necessarily having to give up sexuality entirely. That's more the idea I was trying to get at with my original post.

godspeed, ser!

 

[Pamplemousse]

A lot of things can bring people pleasure, like family or relationships, a meaningful sense of accomplishment, etc. I think if we can observe anything from 'human nature' or society it's that being merely reactive and putting ourselves at the beck and call of our every desire is one of the biggest culprits for making us profoundly miserable. That doesn't mean that we have to be rigidly self-controlled weirdos but there are ways of ennobling ourselves that aren't just a constant brute force tug-of-war with our basic instincts. We can work with ourselves to improve ourselves instead of fighting against ourselves, this isn't really a simple dichotomy of self-denial or self-permission.

I disagree. Assuming that all of our desires are bad is what's brought us so much misery. There's no need to conquer ourselves.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I disagree. Assuming that all of our desires are bad is what's brought us so much misery. There's no need to conquer ourselves.

You're right, people with impulse control problems are the picture of contentment. Oh wait, it's really the opposite? (yes, it is).

Desires don't have to be 'bad' for there to be a need to defer them. Emotions are just things that happen to us, they're mere circumstances, and there exists no great or exemplary human being who has lived only in accordance with their circumstances, hell not even an average one. What I am talking about is the equivalent of autonomy or the ability to make your own decisions, that is all self-deferral provides you. If you're shaming yourself because of what other people say (which was never the point I was arguing for), then you're not autonomous; and if you're merely reacting to your impulses, you're not autonomous.

 

[Astral Dog]

just do what makes you feel good mr. umop

 

[Pamplemousse]

You're right, people with impulse control problems are the picture of contentment. Oh wait, it's really the opposite? (yes, it is).

Desires don't have to be 'bad' for there to be a need to defer them. Emotions are just things that happen to us, they're mere circumstances, and there exists no great or exemplary human being who has lived only in accordance with their circumstances, hell not even an average one. What I am talking about is the equivalent of autonomy or the ability to make your own decisions, that is all self-deferral provides you. If you're shaming yourself because of what other people say (which was never the point I was arguing for), then you're not autonomous; and if you're merely reacting to your impulses, you're not autonomous.

What is a person with impulse control problems?

Impulses are part of one's autonomy. You're separating things that need not be separated.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

just do what makes you feel good mr. umop

Lol, I didn't even start this debate.

What is a person with impulse control problems?

Impulses are part of one's autonomy. You're separating things that need not be separated.

Autonomy means 'self-governing', if you're merely reacting to your impulses you are by definition not self-governing: you're something acted upon, not an actor.

I really can't make this any more clear than saying it's about creating the possibility for choice. You seem to think I'm saying that passions are 'bad', and I'm not, though some are bad. What I am saying that they aren't intrinsically valuable, they are at most instrumentally valuable, and I have no fucking clue what an argument would be (should you choose to actually make one) for why they would be more than that. One's desires have the same logic and substance as dreams, they're just a mass of images or feelings that briefly strike us, there's nothing 'solid' within them, if you make them a foundation for a life philosophy, you are building your philosophy on sand.

 

[Aarglefarg]

Good luck, Aargy!

Thanks.

It turns out it will be a group interview. I'm not sure if this is a good thing for me.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Autonomy means 'self-governing', if you're merely reacting to your impulses you are by definition not self-governing: you're something acted upon, not an actor.

I don't think you react to your impulses. You are your impulses.

Thanks.

It turns out it will be a group interview. I'm not sure if this is a good thing for me.

I'm sure you'll do well!

 

[umop_3pisdn]

I don't think you react to your impulses. You are your impulses.

It's okay to be wrong.

 

[Crayons]

It's okay to be wrong.

meditation and buddhism isn't for everyone

 

[Pamplemousse]

It's okay to be wrong.

Can we have sex now?

 

[umop_3pisdn]

meditation and buddhism isn't for everyone

Saying that "you are your impulses" is clearly factually wrong if you do even a second of introspection. We don't somehow cease to exist when we momentarily don't want something.

In fact the satisfaction you get from desires is not wanting it anymore once you've acquired whatever it is that you were after. But that doesn't last.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Saying that "you are your impulses" is clearly factually wrong if you do even a second of introspection. We don't somehow cease to exist when we momentarily don't want something.

Because I totally said "we are ONLY our impulses"

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Because I totally said "we are ONLY our impulses"

You're right, you're saying that they're integral, which means that my comment stands.

They don't have to be the only part, just constitutive, for my comment to work, and that is exactly what you're saying. In fact that's the only part where I can be sure of what you're saying, because you haven't been clear on nor defined anything else.

 

[Pamplemousse]

You're right, you're saying that they're integral, which means that my comment stands.

They don't have to be the only part, just constitutive, for my comment to work, and that is exactly what you're saying. In fact that's the only part where I can be sure of what you're saying, because you haven't been clear on nor defined anything else.

OMG You're absolutely right!!! You would cease to exist if you had no impulses. Thank you for letting me see it now. You're so helpful, umop.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

OMG You're absolutely right!!! You would cease to exist if you had no impulses. Thank you for letting me see it now. You're so helpful, umop.

I actually am, I've been doing all the work this entire time. Take a fucking philosophy class or something.

Either they're integral, or they're not, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Pamplemousse]

I actually am, I've been doing all the work this entire time. Take a fucking philosophy class or something.

Either they're integral, or they're not, you can't have it both ways.

No, I'm not being sarcastic (for once). They are integral, and you helped me see it. I contradicted myself by trying to suggest they aren't.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

No, I'm not being sarcastic (for once). They are integral, and you helped me see it. I contradicted myself by trying to suggest they aren't.

Then you should spend more time not-existing, because your existence sounds like a prison.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Then you should spend more time not-existing, because your existence sounds like a prison.

Impulses don't make existence a prison. They're just a part of it.

 

[Aarglefarg]

I don't think you react to your impulses. You are your impulses.

I'm sure you'll do well!

Thanks.

I think I did well. It was a solo interview but a group 'mocement assessment' which I didn't expect to have. We were rated for things like lifting a 20kg box and balance and arm movement. They silently rated those but vocally called out the grip strength results for everyone on a 14 point scale if I overheard correctly and I got 14 which was the best out of the group of 6. I totally didn't expect that.

Then there was a solo interview and I think I did great. Normally it's my weak spot but there were easy fact-based questions.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Impulses don't make existence a prison. They're just a part of it.

The part of it experienced as a monkey on your back, that now you've decided you can never (not even intermittently) take off.

 

[dryuriev7777]

I think I did well. It was a solo interview but a group 'mocement assessment' which I didn't expect to have. We were rated for things like lifting a 20kg box and balance and arm movement. They silently rated those but vocally called out the grip strength results for everyone on a 14 point scale if I overheard correctly and I got 14 which was the best out of the group of 6. I totally didn't expect that.

Then there was a solo interview and I think I did great. Normally it's my weak spot but there were easy fact-based questions.

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of job were you going for? I've never in my life heard of a movement assessment. It sounds like everything went well, though, so that's good. Here's hoping you get that offer!

Meanwhile in my life: my god I'm like 2 hours into Spirit of Justice and it has me hooked. In that span I've dealt with Glorious Golden Payne, Princess Bitch: Medium of the Bitch-Realm, and a hippie that takes his headband off and jacks it into his sitar to somehow transform it into an electric guitar. Like, fuckin' buy this shit ya'll.

 

[Pamplemousse]

The part of it experienced as a monkey on your back, that now you've decided you can never (not even intermittently) take off.

No, you can't ever stop having impulses and still be alive.

 

[Crayons]

No, you can't ever stop having impulses and still be alive.

#FACTS

 

[umop_3pisdn]

No, you can't ever stop having impulses and still be alive.

Meditation is literally the temporary suspension of desire. Hell you don't even have to meditate to experience some form of the same phenomenon in normal life, it's just less frequent or pronounced.

#FACTS

Gurl you were all but born yesterday, have more experiences other than the ones that just confirm your existing beliefs.

 

[Sibylus]

If I could never stop impulses, anxiety would make life unlivable for me. CBT, mindfulness, meditation? Real shit. You don't have to be of any particular spiritual persuasion to reap those benefits.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Meditation is literally the temporary suspension of desire. Hell you don't even have to meditate to experience some form of the same phenomenon in normal life, it's just less frequent.

AKA ignoring it. Impulses are still there. You still have to eat, sleep, scratch an itch, etc. Otherwise, as I said, you'd be dead.

 

[Aarglefarg]

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of job were you going for? I've never in my life heard of a movement assessment. It sounds like everything went well, though, so that's good. Here's hoping you get that offer!

Thanks. It's working on a production line for fresh food packaging.

 

[Crayons]

Gurl you were all but born yesterday, have more experiences other than the ones that just confirm your existing beliefs.

Thanks for being condescending but no, I'm open minded, I'm literally taking an East Asian Religion class this semester. I didn't take it to "confirm my existing beliefs". I am not a fan of meditation. If it makes you happy, then good for you. But it only makes me feel more stressed and makes me feel like I'm wasting my time when I could be reading a book or writing song lyrics or talking to someone or hell, even wanking.

 

[Sibylus]

AKA ignoring it. Impulses are still there. You still have to eat, sleep, scratch an itch, etc. Otherwise, as I said, you'd be dead.

Those impulses can be stopped, too. Doesn't mean the needs of the body have vanished from reality, but you can absolutely stop the impulse (if at least for a time). You're missing the point.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Thanks for being condescending but no, I'm open minded, I'm literally taking an East Asian Religion class this semester. I didn't take it to "confirm my existing beliefs". I am not a fan of meditation. If it makes you happy, then good for you. But it only makes me feel more stressed and makes me feel like I'm wasting my time when I could be reading a book or writing song lyrics or talking to someone or hell, even wanking.

Well the thing you tagged as a fact wasn't. If claiming knowledge you have to do more than just affect the attitude of knowledge, you actually have to have it.

Those impulses can be stopped, too. Doesn't mean the needs of the body have vanished from reality, but you can absolutely stop the impulse (if at least for a time). You're missing the point.

Exactly. If they cease manifesting within your mind (which is exactly what happens), they don't exist, at least not as impulses.

Pample, you have to get your definitions and concepts (and ideally arguments, too) clear before you present them to people. I can't even understand how what you're saying now is consistent with how we started, because I just made passing reference to the concept of ataraxia, and what you've shifted the definition of 'impulses' to now is not consistent with what I was saying at all. This is not a remedial philosophy class and it isn't any fun for me trying to figure out what you mean while you post things that at most just resemble arguments.

 

[Pamplemousse]

Those impulses can be stopped, too. Doesn't mean the needs of the body have vanished from reality, but you can absolutely stop the impulse (if at least for a time). You're missing the point.

Yes, they can be ignored for a time. What about your impulse to not feel impulses anymore?

 

[Tuck]

Thanks for being condescending but no, I'm open minded, I'm literally taking an East Asian Religion class this semester. I didn't take it to "confirm my existing beliefs". I am not a fan of meditation. If it makes you happy, then good for you. But it only makes me feel more stressed and makes me feel like I'm wasting my time when I could be reading a book or writing song lyrics or talking to someone or hell, even wanking.

I'm not big on meditation either. I get ansy and my mind drifts, and I feel like I'm wasting my time. Maybe theres a skill to in. Can't say I've tried it enough to tell.

Hiking is my meditation. Thats what i do when i want to clear my mind, or when I need time to think. And its far more interesting/rewarding imo.

 

[umop_3pisdn]

Yes, they can be ignored for a time. What about your impulse to not feel impulses anymore?

Ignoring means there is something there to be ignored. An impulse is a psychological phenomenon that urges you to act. It's a manifestation. If it isn't there (ie: not manifest), then it doesn't exist.

And you have to abandon it like all the others, how is that hard to get? It doesn't happen by trying to make it happen, you just create the circumstances for it to happen, and then it does.

I'm not big on meditation either. I get ansy and my mind drifts, and I feel like I'm wasting my time. Maybe theres a skill to in. Can't say I've tried it enough to tell.

Hiking is my meditation. Thats what i do when i want to clear my mind, or when I need time to think. And its far more interesting/rewarding imo.

There is absolutely skill to it, quite a few of them actually, that you have to use in a context-dependent way (to calm down a restless mind, or wake up a dull mind, for example) and that's just scratching the surface.

 

[CornBurrito]

I am somehow completely and utterly shocked that some young 20 something year old gay dudes that frequently use recreational drugs, and have frequent promiscuous sex (or in one case, simply think about it frequently) think that humans are literally nothing more than their impulses.

edit: Being nicer, this isn't a knock on that lifestyle despite being phrased as such. That's a perfectly valid way to live in 2016. Not the only valid way though. The problem here is thinking that everyone is like that because you are like that. Some people really might just be their impulses. I don't think umop is.

 

[Sibylus]

Yes, they can be ignored for a time. What about your impulse to not feel impulses anymore?

Not ignored, not present in mind whatsoever.

And that's not an impulse. That's a result of planning, repetition, and practice. Same story for the CBT tools I use for my anxiety.

 

[CornBurrito]

Not ignored, not present in mind whatsoever.

And that's not an impulse. That's a result of planning, repetition, and practice. Same story for the CBT tools I use for my anxiety.

I know CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy here, but in the context of this thread I thought for a minute it meant something wildly different (and potentially fitting still).

 

[umop_3pisdn]

edit: Being nicer, this isn't a knock on that lifestyle despite being phrased as such. That's a perfectly valid way to live in 2016. Not the only valid way though. The problem here is thinking that everyone is like that because you are like that. Some people really might just be their impulses. I don't think umop is.

Thank you, I don't think I'm doing a good job of showing it/exemplifying my arguments, though. I just want to watch the new episode of Mr. Robot but I keep feeling compelled to reply, and I haven't been very charitable/kind with the people I've been arguing against either...

 

[Crayons]

Well the thing you tagged as a fact wasn't. If claiming knowledge you have to do more than just affect the attitude of knowledge, you actually have to have it.

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Okay, fine. Meditation is the temporary suspension of impulses - and if you stop those impulses in your mind, then they don't exist. But *I* can't stop my impulses. Maybe it works for you in which case, fantastic. But it doesn't for me. I've tried meditation. I'll tell you what happens in my head.

"hmm...I wonder what John C. Lilys experiences in his sensory deprivation chambers was like"
"Oh man, I got homework due soon"
"I'm bored. And I feel like I'm wasting time."
"I wonder if I'm gonna bang that guy"
"I miss my friends"
"My heart rate is too fast"
"I wonder if I can invent a cool new psychedelic someday"

I end up with far more anxiety than when I started. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[Sibylus]

I don't have the luxury to be my impulses, tbh. Especially the suicidal, anxious, or consumption ones.

I know CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy here, but in the context of this thread I thought for a minute it meant something wildly different (and potentially fitting still).

Lmao I've run into this so much lately. It's fantastic.

 

[Crayons]

I know CBT is cognitive behavioral therapy here, but in the context of this thread I thought for a minute it meant something wildly different (and potentially fitting still).

I thought that he was talking about cock and ball torture too

 

[CornBurrito]

Thank you, I don't think I'm doing a good job of showing it/exemplifying my arguments, though. I just want to watch the new episode of Mr. Robot but I keep feeling compelled to reply, and I haven't been very charitable/kind with the people I've been arguing against either

I think a large part of the problem is that this is one of those internal experience things (i dunno a good word for it).

Like you'll see comments online sometimes where there's a wealthy (but sort of unattractive) dude with a very attractive woman. And people will outright refuse to accept the possibility that the woman isn't a gold-digger. Because their own internal experience is such that looks are everything, except if wealth is involved. Therefore this woman must be exactly like they are, and thus cannot be legitimately in love with this man.

Probably not the best example, but that's what I'm getting at.

 

[CornBurrito]

As an aside, the other CBT is pretty hot.