King Gilga
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BLANK will be the end of Trump Presidency starts to lose it's appeal after the 500th time you've heard it after the election and Trump is still going on as ever.
Lindsay Graham minces no words. Firing Sessions will be the end of Trump Presidency
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Mmm-hmm.
Once he's elected, the only time "BLANK will be the end of Trump's presidency" has any weight to it at all is when a Senate Republican says it, as they're the only ones that can actually end his presidency. Everything else is just guesswork at what might help convince Republican Senators to convict him.
It sounds like the 500 previous times is getting to Graham and firing Mueller might be the last straw, which is what pretty much everyone's been speculating since Mueller was hired.
Watched the video and Graham did say a lot of the right things, not just surrounding Sessions but also Russia. Actions speak louder than words though and this being the most untrustworthy political party in history deafens his statements.
Still, it does seem that certain Senators are ready to begin breaking from the administration to avoid the eventual fallout. Graham did have some strong words against Trump and his attempt to fray the institutions and abuse his powers of office in this interview(beyond the OP quotes), but again I'm not filled with confidence. That needs to be earned.
Still, it does seem that certain Senators are ready to begin breaking from the administration to avoid the eventual fallout. Graham did have some strong words against Trump and his attempt to fray the institutions and abuse his powers of office in this interview(beyond the OP quotes), but again I'm not filled with confidence. That needs to be earned.
Are you equating forum members with actual GOP members?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
"why can't I just dissolve the senate?"
Psychoward
Banned
That's uh, plenty of minced words.
chekhonte
Member
I don't like Graaham but he isn't one to fuck around with idle threats and has supporters in the senate. He's been outspoken about the need for investigating Trump's financial records and his financial ties to Russia.
He's not somebody to dismiss until there's reason to dismiss him.
He's not somebody to dismiss until there's reason to dismiss him.
Gentleman Jack
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I hate that we live in a world where we have to check the receipts on whether or not the people in power actually have the required spine to follow up on their stated ultimatums.
What are you going to do, Lindsay, throw your vapors at him?
It's clear he knows all the bullshit that's going on, it's actually doing anything about it that he appears to have trouble with. GOP people seem to come in two forms, a true believer nutcase, or one who is self-aware about all the bullshit from the party, but not willing to rock the boat over it. Just from reading his words over the years, it's clear Graham hates Trump's guts and knows how much of a disaster he would be/currently is, but outside of mild words of protest he won't take any real action that would break with the party.
All they seem to concern themselves with is their next reelection.
It's clear he knows all the bullshit that's going on, it's actually doing anything about it that he appears to have trouble with. GOP people seem to come in two forms, a true believer nutcase, or one who is self-aware about all the bullshit from the party, but not willing to rock the boat over it. Just from reading his words over the years, it's clear Graham hates Trump's guts and knows how much of a disaster he would be/currently is, but outside of mild words of protest he won't take any real action that would break with the party.
All they seem to concern themselves with is their next reelection.
Version 3.0
Member
I want to believe.
But more importantly, what if Trump doesn't fire Sessions, but Mueller's report is damning as hell? No problem, as long as Trump doesn't shit-talk any Republicans?
But more importantly, what if Trump doesn't fire Sessions, but Mueller's report is damning as hell? No problem, as long as Trump doesn't shit-talk any Republicans?
BoogieWoogie
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Too late for that.
Sasse just came out against it as well - https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/890631342114750465
Apparently there's been a GOP plan to prevent these from occurring from day 1 because they didn't trust him - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...pointments/article/2629853?platform=hootsuite
Apparently there's been a GOP plan to prevent these from occurring from day 1 because they didn't trust him - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/s...pointments/article/2629853?platform=hootsuite
"Damning as hell" would likely lead to a series of indictments of Trump associates at least. That sort of thing would definitely erode support for Trump himself. If Trump is implicated in some of the findings, we'd be in uncharted territory.
TheCochese
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People need to read the second link and understand that the GOP as a whole may vote largely in line with what Trump wants, but he's not one of them, and neither trusts each other.
People underestimate just how bad it is for a congressional caucus to have the executive branch of their own party misaligned with it.
TheCochese
Banned
It's unprecedented.
The collapse of health care reform under Carter is the closest comparison. IIRC he was more conservative than his caucus and it created a massive number of issues.
I've seen stronger men's redlines crossed with no response.
Sure Lindy.
mccains been teaching him some realy dangerous scowls and passive aggressive facial expressions.
Sure Lindy.
mccains been teaching him some realy dangerous scowls and passive aggressive facial expressions.
CopperPuppy
Member
Too bad he minces his actions.
He's done more than McCain has, but it's still been 99% talk.
Let's see this legislation he's talking about. That would at least be something.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Guess who will be the next attorney general. Hint: Starts with L, ends with M, sounds like a girl.
They pushed through not even a 10th of the estimated budget for the wall. Over a billion dollars is a lot of money but it's not even remotely enough to build Trump's racism wall.
WhiteRabbitEXE
Member
That quote seems like pretty nothing at all, even threw in "unless Mueller did something wrong" to cover the bases, but things do seem to be heating up and the bill to protect Mueller is something sooooo... I have no idea if I should just dismiss this or not, lol.
Janecek or Giraud?
Janecek or Giraud?
TheGreyHulk
Member
Trump won't be out of office until Jan, 2021 (faaaaak).
SoundofSilence
Member
Trump will fire Sessions or find some end around to fire Mueller. The one thing Trump cannot possibly tolerate is the idea that he's not protected from Mueller. He'll do whatever it takes to get Mueller out of the way.
If the Mueller bill passes, by all means, hang Beauregard from the rafters.
His increasingly desperate attempts to get rid of Mueller (most likely to try to stop him looking at Trump's dirty finances) are likely to backfire just like his Comey firing did.
Nixon didn't get taken down by the Watergate break-in, he got taken down by his attempts to cover it up.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
Seems like there's little point in supporting him unless it will help the GOP in the mid-terms to keep him on. If the political calculus says they'll lose seats by continuing to support him he is toast like Nixon. Credit Keif!
ThLunarian
Member
These things add up, and Trump is only "going on as ever" if you mean "still not getting anything substantial done."
He's starting to throw hail marys recently, yeah, but that's because the walls are closing in on him and he's lashing out like a cornered animal.
In the grand scheme, things are happening way faster than you'd expect. It's not like it's a simple thing to oust the single most powerful person in the government.
theignoramus
Member
That's not what that video clip says. He said any effort to fire the head of the FBI would be the end of Trump.He made a threat of "holy hell" to pay with regard to Sessions being fired.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's what this says though:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ill-to-stop-trump-from-firing-special-counsel
He voted against at least one of the health bills yesterday. There's (at least) one.
TheOctodad
Member
All that matters is his vote at midnight tonight.
He's voted against a couple of the bills in the Senate I believe. One of the healthcare bills and an attempt to roll back some Obama era regulations off the top of my head.
skullmuffins
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You have to keep things in perspective. He's still a Republican and so he's going to vote for things that advance the Republican agenda. Republicans are not going to protest-vote against things they're otherwise OK with unless they're literally on the verge of removing Trump from office. Voting for a shitty heathcare bill or whatever is not "standing with Trump", it's "trying to get legislation passed while we still hold both houses of congress". Republicans are also going to give a Republican President wide latitude in choosing his nominees. People who have a serious chance of getting rejected don't get nominated in the first place.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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So Graham is the new "Maverick" everyone is running to with McCain on his deathbed? Stop chasing the most transparent Republicans who have been in their roles for fucking decades like their words have ever meant anything.