Linux Bros, what's the best Linux OS for gaming (GOG and Steam)?
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kensama
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I'm using two Linux OS since more than one year for my part.
1- Kubuntu for daily use
2- Cachy OS for game and it's OK
The only major issue with Linux is the gale that use anticheat, it will not work on Linux as they listed Linux as a cheat program
If you go on Cachy OS they have a discord to answer you (in particular the creator of cachy Os) and they are nice
1- Kubuntu for daily use
2- Cachy OS for game and it's OK
The only major issue with Linux is the gale that use anticheat, it will not work on Linux as they listed Linux as a cheat program
If you go on Cachy OS they have a discord to answer you (in particular the creator of cachy Os) and they are nice
pudel
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Thats true. If you like multiplayer games (me not) linux might not be a good alternative yet. But kernel level anti cheat software seems to be a topic for its own anyway.The only major issue with Linux is the gale that use anticheat, it will not work on Linux as they listed Linux as a cheat program
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
Linux distros are so varied and your enjoyment of them so dependant on how tech affine and willing to dig in you are, it is extremely difficult to make any serious recommendations.
All I can do is say I've had the best gaming experience with Arch-based distributions, such as SteamOS itself (but I don't know if that is really suitable outside of pure gaming, I never tried) or Manjaro (which is what I use personally).
But there are lots of Arch-based distros.
Debian-based ones such as Ubuntu or Pop! have always been an issue in my (and extended family's) experience, as their gaming-relevant packages and drivers can be lagging behind somewhat in versions.
Honestly, go ahead and try one first from a USB stick:
www.tecmint.com
That guide is for Ubuntu, but the process is the same for all of them: Get USB stick, get image of distro, use a nice tool to get the image on the stick (I recommend Etcher), plug it in, restart (and mess with your UEFI/BIOS to start from it if necessary).
And then just have a look around.
The rest will come with time.
Just one hint: DON'T expect Linux to work like Windows. You can make it look somewhat similar, but it is different from the ground up and you WILL run into things strange to you and you WILL run into issues that wouldn't have happened on Windows. Both is thankfully rare nowadays, but it does happen. Of course the upside is you won't have to deal with Windows, which makes that an extremely small price to pay IMO.
All I can do is say I've had the best gaming experience with Arch-based distributions, such as SteamOS itself (but I don't know if that is really suitable outside of pure gaming, I never tried) or Manjaro (which is what I use personally).
But there are lots of Arch-based distros.
Debian-based ones such as Ubuntu or Pop! have always been an issue in my (and extended family's) experience, as their gaming-relevant packages and drivers can be lagging behind somewhat in versions.
Honestly, go ahead and try one first from a USB stick:
How to Install and Run Any Linux Distro from a USB Drive
This tutorial focuses on installing the latest Linux OS on your USB drive (a fully reconfigurable personalized OS, not just a Live USB).
www.tecmint.com
That guide is for Ubuntu, but the process is the same for all of them: Get USB stick, get image of distro, use a nice tool to get the image on the stick (I recommend Etcher), plug it in, restart (and mess with your UEFI/BIOS to start from it if necessary).
And then just have a look around.
The rest will come with time.
Just one hint: DON'T expect Linux to work like Windows. You can make it look somewhat similar, but it is different from the ground up and you WILL run into things strange to you and you WILL run into issues that wouldn't have happened on Windows. Both is thankfully rare nowadays, but it does happen. Of course the upside is you won't have to deal with Windows, which makes that an extremely small price to pay IMO.
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Durin
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Yeah, the SteamOS UI front-end has some cool features that nicely expand it past Big Picture Mode. Deck loader has a host of plugins that can change the UI, give you quick playback buttons that can work with Spotify that you bring up in the Overlay, and do more with a gamepad.
The combo of Proton Vulkan being more efficient when converted from DirectX, Linux distros typically employing less background resources to suck up CPU resources vs Windows, and improvements to Mesa for compiling shaders seem to yield the improvements on stuttering...but it still varies per game, and Nvidia drivers still aren't at parity with Windows for avg frame-rate yet.
I do think at some point either Microsoft needs to improve this fundamentally, or Valve + any other contributors in the Linux ecosystem will eventually do such a better job that any loss with the translation layer won't matter. Given the pace of improvement I can see a future in the next few years where Linux just performs better on average with performance...which I imagine will be when Valve just releases SteamOS to every SKU of Desktop/Laptop.
Thebonehead
Gold Member
TempleOS for the win as it was explicity designed according to explicit instructions from God.
en.wikipedia.org
A sad, but Interesting tale.
TempleOS - Wikipedia
A sad, but Interesting tale.
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CandyCrushSagat
Neo Member
Windows. Gross.Windows 11
DryvBy
Member
I have already and it was pretty big. Copy large numbers of files from one drive to another (around 20k files) was sluggish. I killed a process to make it speed up and it was still slow. I used Google and Chat to figure it out but the solution seemed absolutely stupid. People suggested using tar, copying it, then extracting it. That's kind of a headache for the stuff I do.Linux distros are so varied and your enjoyment of them so dependant on how tech affine and willing to dig in you are, it is extremely difficult to make any serious recommendations.
All I can do is say I've had the best gaming experience with Arch-based distributions, such as SteamOS itself (but I don't know if that is really suitable outside of pure gaming, I never tried) or Manjaro (which is what I use personally).
But there are lots of Arch-based distros.
Debian-based ones such as Ubuntu or Pop! have always been an issue in my (and extended family's) experience, as their gaming-relevant packages and drivers can be lagging behind somewhat in versions.
Honestly, go ahead and try one first from a USB stick:
How to Install and Run Any Linux Distro from a USB Drive
This tutorial focuses on installing the latest Linux OS on your USB drive (a fully reconfigurable personalized OS, not just a Live USB).
That guide is for Ubuntu, but the process is the same for all of them: Get USB stick, get image of distro, use a nice tool to get the image on the stick (I recommend Etcher), plug it in, restart (and mess with your UEFI/BIOS to start from it if necessary).
And then just have a look around.
The rest will come with time.
Just one hint: DON'T expect Linux to work like Windows. You can make it look somewhat similar, but it is different from the ground up and you WILL run into things strange to you and you WILL run into issues that wouldn't have happened on Windows. Both is thankfully rare nowadays, but it does happen. Of course the upside is you won't have to deal with Windows, which makes that an extremely small price to pay IMO.
LavitzSlambert
Member
Kataploom
Gold Member
I tried some more games, I see that finally HDR is usable on PC for me, I just tried Horizon Zero Dawn with it and noticed two things:
1. I had it at 1600p plus FSR (with a mod) in Windows , now I can easily... Very very easily run it in 4K FSR
2. HDR seems to be doing something like Auto HDR on Windows 11 but in all games, it remaps the color information and if the game has its own implementation, then it uses the game HDR instead. It looks fantastic, way beyond Windows by far.
I also noticed that heroic launcher games can't detect Gamescope HDR enabled even if you add heroic launcher to Steam.
1. I had it at 1600p plus FSR (with a mod) in Windows , now I can easily... Very very easily run it in 4K FSR
2. HDR seems to be doing something like Auto HDR on Windows 11 but in all games, it remaps the color information and if the game has its own implementation, then it uses the game HDR instead. It looks fantastic, way beyond Windows by far.
I also noticed that heroic launcher games can't detect Gamescope HDR enabled even if you add heroic launcher to Steam.
FF:Enhanced_Reality
Member
I use Linux Mint and it's perfectly fine. I have a GTX 2060 and an i7-8000 series CPU with 32GB of RAM.
I mainly emulate retro games though.
I mainly emulate retro games though.
Doom_master1122
Member
I've ran Linux on and off through the years, but didn't start daily driving it until Microsoft axed Windows 10X. I saw the route Windows was going and really didn't want any part of it. So I made my swap.
Over all for your distro choice, it comes down to how much you are willing to put into learning your OS, and how much you want to put into tinkering. A big hurdle people have when it comes to Linux is having to learn an entirely new environment. The nice thing is that each distro handles that learning curve differently.
When it comes to gaming, for the most part you should have similar performance no matter what you use, and driver installations are also for the most part easy to handle. A lot of time this is done through any of the "shops" in the distros, or have built in driver management utilities to handle it. Nvidia Drivers use to be a bit of a pain to install, and at times they still can be, but for the most part a lot of the major distros will handle this smoothly now. If you have an AMD card, your drivers are built in, and it makes set up even easier and faster. The major differences when it comes between distros will come down to the individual features such as HDR support, and that boils down to a lot more than just the distro. For out of the box first time experiences. Any of the major distros should carry most (if not all) of what you seek in gaming.
As for my history of Linux, I've used a handful over the years and I'll just touch upon them here with some of my brief experiences. For the most part they've all been positive with the exception of Fedora.
Ubuntu and Mint : I've used on and off over the years, and they are definitely the most user friendly. From driver installations to general usage, they're going to be the easiest to become accustom to. It's been fine for day to day, and gaming works quite well.
Arch and Manjaro : When I made my eventual permanent switch to Linux, I moved over to Manjaro, which at the time was fine. Learning Arch based distros was definitely a change compared to the others. However, I eventually found myself installing plain ol' Arch after about a year. That's where I stay today. Manjaro felt bloated comparatively, and Pamac more often than not broke things.
After installing Arch and fine tuning it to where I want it, I have a much more responsive, faster, and over all better distro that I customized to my liking. I currently run Arch with a Hyprland set up, and it has been the best experience I've had using my PC.
Bazzite and PopOS : I have dabbled with both Bazzite and PopOS as well, both of which are also insanely easy to use, however I've ran into weird quirks with each of them. Bazzite is good on the surface, but unless you have a very specific hardware configuration style, you won't fully benefit from the "Steam OS like features" that it boasts, and becomes closer to just using plain PopOS (Or Fedora in this case). It has gotten better over time and now has Nvidia Support for the SteamOS like features, but still has some issues. My last attempt using Bazzite was me building my own "Steam Box" for my living room. In the end I ended up just wiping it with PopOS and built my own "big picture mode" environment when the PC boots up.
Fedora : Nothing but issues for me. Every install I have of this eventually just offs itself. The amount of times a new update comes out and the OS eats itself is insane. Perhaps I'm just unlucky, but I've done more trouble shooting on this distro alone than any other ones combined.
I've heard good things about CachyOS. It's an Arch based distro that is much more user friendly than Arch, has a lot of packages installed right from the start that will be beneficial for you and gaming. And over all is less bloated than Manjaro. A friend of mine uses it and I'm always impressed with the little things that his distro has right out of the box.
Over all for your distro choice, it comes down to how much you are willing to put into learning your OS, and how much you want to put into tinkering. A big hurdle people have when it comes to Linux is having to learn an entirely new environment. The nice thing is that each distro handles that learning curve differently.
When it comes to gaming, for the most part you should have similar performance no matter what you use, and driver installations are also for the most part easy to handle. A lot of time this is done through any of the "shops" in the distros, or have built in driver management utilities to handle it. Nvidia Drivers use to be a bit of a pain to install, and at times they still can be, but for the most part a lot of the major distros will handle this smoothly now. If you have an AMD card, your drivers are built in, and it makes set up even easier and faster. The major differences when it comes between distros will come down to the individual features such as HDR support, and that boils down to a lot more than just the distro. For out of the box first time experiences. Any of the major distros should carry most (if not all) of what you seek in gaming.
As for my history of Linux, I've used a handful over the years and I'll just touch upon them here with some of my brief experiences. For the most part they've all been positive with the exception of Fedora.
Ubuntu and Mint : I've used on and off over the years, and they are definitely the most user friendly. From driver installations to general usage, they're going to be the easiest to become accustom to. It's been fine for day to day, and gaming works quite well.
Arch and Manjaro : When I made my eventual permanent switch to Linux, I moved over to Manjaro, which at the time was fine. Learning Arch based distros was definitely a change compared to the others. However, I eventually found myself installing plain ol' Arch after about a year. That's where I stay today. Manjaro felt bloated comparatively, and Pamac more often than not broke things.
After installing Arch and fine tuning it to where I want it, I have a much more responsive, faster, and over all better distro that I customized to my liking. I currently run Arch with a Hyprland set up, and it has been the best experience I've had using my PC.
Bazzite and PopOS : I have dabbled with both Bazzite and PopOS as well, both of which are also insanely easy to use, however I've ran into weird quirks with each of them. Bazzite is good on the surface, but unless you have a very specific hardware configuration style, you won't fully benefit from the "Steam OS like features" that it boasts, and becomes closer to just using plain PopOS (Or Fedora in this case). It has gotten better over time and now has Nvidia Support for the SteamOS like features, but still has some issues. My last attempt using Bazzite was me building my own "Steam Box" for my living room. In the end I ended up just wiping it with PopOS and built my own "big picture mode" environment when the PC boots up.
Fedora : Nothing but issues for me. Every install I have of this eventually just offs itself. The amount of times a new update comes out and the OS eats itself is insane. Perhaps I'm just unlucky, but I've done more trouble shooting on this distro alone than any other ones combined.
I've heard good things about CachyOS. It's an Arch based distro that is much more user friendly than Arch, has a lot of packages installed right from the start that will be beneficial for you and gaming. And over all is less bloated than Manjaro. A friend of mine uses it and I'm always impressed with the little things that his distro has right out of the box.
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pudel
Member
Which OS did you used finally?
After this thread I binged through some yt vids. Here is a nice vid about ranking certain distros especially for gaming/content production. In the end it looked like these distros seems to be the best for gaming and I couldnt find any comment who disagreed with this french dude:
CachyOS (Arch based) -> Nobara (Fedora based) -> PikaOS (Debian based) -> Bazzite (Arch based)
Also found out the guy (GloriousEggroll) who is maintaining ProtonGE is also the maker of Nobara. What an awesome dude! Now I want to go with Nobara.
And despite what I wrote before I am astonished how many multiplayer games run flawlessly on linux. It seems really just a few mp games who doesnt work because of extra fucked up anti cheat stuff.
Crayon
Member
Doesn't get mentioned enough. I suspect because people aren't as sensitive to it as they claim to be lol. Even back when steamos was this rickety prototype thing, they still had the gamescope compositor and games were smooth. I used to install it on other distros. That was before shader stutter so people should know we aren't talking about that. Shader stutter is taken care of in other ways on linux, though. So that is also better. I asked for a really bad game to test drive and someone suggested scorn. Bought it, first-time installed, and it was completely smooth. Not a single stutter.
I was curious about CachyOS so yesterday I installed it over my Kubuntu partition. In Kubuntu I was sub 60fps in MHWilds but now it's 70+ and it's so much smoother for some reason. Possibly this frame pacing thing? Not sure. I did this cuz there were too many desktop buggy artifacts happening on Kubuntu Wayland . None of that in CachyOS. Will test some more but it's very promising!
Kataploom
Gold Member
Which OS did you used finally?
After this thread I binged through some yt vids. Here is a nice vid about ranking certain distros especially for gaming/content production. In the end it looked like these distros seems to be the best for gaming and I couldnt find any comment who disagreed with this french dude:
CachyOS (Arch based) -> Nobara (Fedora based) -> PikaOS (Debian based) -> Bazzite (Arch based)
Also found out the guy (GloriousEggroll) who is maintaining ProtonGE is also the maker of Nobara. What an awesome dude! Now I want to go with Nobara.
And despite what I wrote before I am astonished how many multiplayer games run flawlessly on linux. It seems really just a few mp games who doesnt work because of extra fucked up anti cheat stuff.
Bazzite and couldn't be happier.
If for some reason I have to go back to mainly use Windows I'd be honestly sad because the amazingly even frame pacing and absolute lack of any shader stuttering are so good in Linux that I'd even get some performance penalty before giving away this smooth gameplay.
There are some caveats tho:
- Gamescope frame limiter seems to not work for me
- No AMD Adrenaline Software which would be amazing
- Do we even have Antilag enabled? How do I make sure?
- I see no way to inject FSR (upscaler, not FG) in games, I thought Gamescope was already handling that but it seems not to be the case and I'd like to do so in some cases
BTW, something that's AMAZING is Docky Loader, I love having the How Long To Beat pluging because sometimes I decide what to play next depending on the level of commitment I'm willing to allow myself in a game for the next few days.
I literally tried some of the games most infamously known for their stutters like FF7R and TLOU P1 and it was smooth, too smooth, it's incredible how smooth the games run on this thing... And something probably nobody will notice is how the smooth frame pacing also reduces the chances of noticing frame drops with VRR when frame rate goes below 60 for a moment, at least for me
Yes, I didn't give too much importance to frame pacing until I installed Bazzite a couple days ago, I mean a horrible frame pacing takes you out of immersion but even the "normally good" frame pacing on Windows feels wrong compared to how it feels on Linux.
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Unknown?
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Qubes OS: A reasonably secure operating system
Qubes is a security-oriented, free and open-source operating system for personal computers that allows you to securely compartmentalize your digital life.
www.qubes-os.org
You won't get good performance, but lots of privacy!
Kataploom
Gold Member
Just a question for those more experienced... I've seen many people complain about game performance, incompatibility and whatever in the r/Linux_gaming subreddit... Should I assume those people do not have Bazzite or any more optimized distribution, that are using Nvidia or something like that? Because I'm using Bazzite from a full AMD build (6700 XT) and haven't found a single issues running games at least (in other stuff like Gamescope letting me pick 4K or that weird graphical glitch on 4K120fps but that's in Steam, not in games)
Crayon
Member
Can't say much about that. Except that I've been playing on several distros based on fedora, arch, ubuntu over the last several years. Occasionally a game won't launch, but it seems rare and random. About half those cases, trying another proton version fixed it.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Weird that Microsoft scrapping 10X made you switch when the main features and changes for 10X became many of the main changes in Windows 11. Windows 11 is so much of what 10X was changing that moving away instead of just using 11 sounds weird to me. Unless I'm misunderstanding and the proposed changes for 10X were what nudged you into Linux. I could understand that because 10X was a pretty big departure from standard Windows 10.
That said, I don't begrudge anyone using the OS they prefer. People should use what fits their needs. I use several of the distros you list and I like them for the work I do with them. I've had good results with Fedora as a headless server but it's not the best for desktop use. I like Ubuntu better than Arch for daily driving because it seems to have better overall support for the things I do. But none of the things I do with Linux really involve gaming.
Crayon
Member
Tell you the biggest problem I've had with linux over the last ten years is this used tablet I bought. Linux HATED that motherfucker lol. Instead of trying to fix stuff, I just kept throwing on different distros till all the features worked. Quite annoying. In the end, it was bazzite that worked. Funny because that was pretty shortly after I had loaded that on my gaming machine. I didn't buy the tablet for gaming and I was just test driving bazzite so I didn't think of trying it till I was running out of (familiar) options.
So that was a fuckshop but other than that linux has been easy/capable/reliable enough for me since about ten years an just better ever since. The tablet experience reminded me that we still live in a windows world, though!
So that was a fuckshop but other than that linux has been easy/capable/reliable enough for me since about ten years an just better ever since. The tablet experience reminded me that we still live in a windows world, though!
IFireflyl
Gold Member
I want to use Linux, but it's not ready for mainstream usage for most people. I tried it out in dual-boot (using CachyOS), but I don't want to go through that many hoops every time I want to do something. Different Linux distributions have different ways of installing things, and you have to do a web search to figure out commands needed to install applications (because no GUI app store for any Linux distribution has all of the apps you need), and even when you do have it installed it doesn't necessarily handle the same across different distributions. There are too many compatibility issues for things that I need as well (such as Microsoft365 which I need for my job). Different distributions also have different pros and cons that often times feel like you have to give up some things you want in order to have other things you want.
Some have great driver support, and others don't.
Some have good HDR support, and others don't.
Some have good VRR support, and others don't.
Some have good external hardware support (printers, fingerprint readers, controllers, et cetera), and others don't.
I love the idea of Linux, but the implementation of Linux is abysmal. That isn't to say that everyone feels (or should feel) the same way. If you are using Linux and you love it, more power to you. I can't make the jump because it is too much effort to get a product that, in the end, still can't do everything I can do in Windows. Even if Windows does suck ass.
Some have great driver support, and others don't.
Some have good HDR support, and others don't.
Some have good VRR support, and others don't.
Some have good external hardware support (printers, fingerprint readers, controllers, et cetera), and others don't.
I love the idea of Linux, but the implementation of Linux is abysmal. That isn't to say that everyone feels (or should feel) the same way. If you are using Linux and you love it, more power to you. I can't make the jump because it is too much effort to get a product that, in the end, still can't do everything I can do in Windows. Even if Windows does suck ass.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Those gui app repositories are pretty much all shit yes. You should be installing apps through the terminal using something like apt or Pac-Man .
Jinzo Prime
Member
Which doesn't always work.
Sometimes you have to curl a url to get the right package, sometimes you have to install a bunch of prerequisite packages before install, sometimes you have to create a PPA then get the package to install, sometimes you have to run a shell script to install, sometimes its a Flatpack, sometimes its an appimage; it's always a lot to manage.
When I eventually go back to Linux, I am going to stick to only one or two methods for installing programs, no more running around to get everything I need.
ShirAhava
Plays with kids toys, in the adult gaming world
I have Linux Mint on my HTPC/Emulation PC works like a dream basically a perfect Q1 2018 Rig (pre-RTX era)
Running Win10/Fedora on my main rig......Fedora is....something I took the time to master.....its completely stable and smooth
(only because I've been using Linux since 2009 and I know what I'm doing).....and I still do not really like it....its serviceable
I do not recommend Fedora to anyone new to linux and not willing to put a decent amount of work in. Things like no video Codec
support out of the box turns off most Windows only users off immediately.
If Windows 11 wasn't skynet on roids I wouldn't bother with it but I needed something a bit more cutting edge than Stock mint
(updating the kernel on mint breaks things that I personally need and there is no fix so thats a no go)
Overall I recommend Linux Mint for most new users coming from Windows.....Arch isn't my jam but I hear good things about
CachyOS and EndeavorOS (both Arch based) in terms of gaming performance if you swing that way.
Running Win10/Fedora on my main rig......Fedora is....something I took the time to master.....its completely stable and smooth
(only because I've been using Linux since 2009 and I know what I'm doing).....and I still do not really like it....its serviceable
I do not recommend Fedora to anyone new to linux and not willing to put a decent amount of work in. Things like no video Codec
support out of the box turns off most Windows only users off immediately.
If Windows 11 wasn't skynet on roids I wouldn't bother with it but I needed something a bit more cutting edge than Stock mint
(updating the kernel on mint breaks things that I personally need and there is no fix so thats a no go)
Overall I recommend Linux Mint for most new users coming from Windows.....Arch isn't my jam but I hear good things about
CachyOS and EndeavorOS (both Arch based) in terms of gaming performance if you swing that way.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
Flatpack, Snap and AppImage have been getting more and more popularity, especially Flatpack.
That helps a lot vs doing apt.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Ok so I made several tests and I'm very happy so far, the only thing I see not working at all is discord for streaming, the thing looks veeeeery low resolution and whenever I try to stream a game, the game and the stream lowers the resolution so dramatically that it's unplayable, anyone has experienced this and or have any solution?
Edit: Nevermind I solved this by adding the "--start-maximized" command in discord properties
Edit: Nevermind I solved this by adding the "--start-maximized" command in discord properties
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Durin
Member
It's gotten a lot better in the tablet department, especially for art tablets. If I wanted to use my Wacom was pretty much having to hope opentabletdriver had some solution, but now KDE and Gnome's built-in support as desktop environments is good enough to get the job done, setup pressure curves, and can bind shortcuts on the pen for stuff.
Eh, GUI based options are getting better. The KDE Discover/Gnome Software storefronts for Flatpaks have gotten considerably better, along with Gear Lever to provide a GUI solution for appimages (including auto-updating). Even Distrobox's GUI can be helpful in making apt/dnf/pacman installation a bit easier for people, and I do like some of Bazzite's ujust commands to automate installation for stuff like Davinci Resolve.
Until Linux can provide good GUI-based installation solutions for 95% of apps, that the command line is only required as often as using run or command line is in Windows...it will struggle to hit a mainstream audience beyond gaming.
It's definitely not mainstream that's for sure. One has to be comfortable with executing terminal commands.
What I found very helpful is to have an LLM answer questions on how to install software and troubleshoot when needed. It's just just faster than doing a web search then sifting through all the pages to get the command you really need.
As far as Office365, I installed something like Outlook as a Progressive Web App; looks and feels just like a native desktop app.
As for drivers and devices everything just worked out of the box. CachyOS even installed the latest Nvidia drivers for me. Everything was a breeze compared to Kubuntu.
But yeah I get it not for everyone but it's definitely closer!
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Crayon
Member
Yeah i dont like when i see people claiming you don't have to use the terminal anymore. That's not true yet. Sure, my dad doesn't need the terminal but that's because all he'll ever do is open chrome. You can probably can get away with it for a very vanilla computer and even using steam without seeing the terminal ever. It really has come a long way.
But realistically, if you don't want to learn ten terminal commands, that's hugely limiting. You need about ten to get around and grasp what is going on when you look up more complex commands (that you don't need to memorize because its fine to look it up. You don't need to be a master these days).
But realistically, if you don't want to learn ten terminal commands, that's hugely limiting. You need about ten to get around and grasp what is going on when you look up more complex commands (that you don't need to memorize because its fine to look it up. You don't need to be a master these days).
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
I wouldn't say that I never did any of these things, but it is so incredibly rare, and getting even more so.
Except for the PPA one (which I never had to do, but then again I use Arch btw), these are also all very quick and easy to do.
In general, no matter which method of installation you choose for a package on Linux, it is faster than the Windows way of Open Search -> Type thing -> Navigate to download -> Download -> Execute installer -> Click through several things inside of installer.
People THINK that this is fast and easy, but in truth it is neither - they just got used to that awkward flow. It really is this clunkyness of everyday things that drove me away from Windows in the end.
Once you know what to type to install stuff (which is one of the first things you learn), the only thing you need to know is the name of the package, which is often enough self-evident (eg Blender is "blender").
And with the GUI interfaces nowadays, you don't even need to learn that (only in some exceptions).
And even without GUI, if you make a typo, most package managers nowadays will guess what you meant and make a suggestion.
Then you type your password and you're golden. Not only that, but basically all package managers allow you to install multiple things at once.
However, you do have a point that it is likely you will end up with a state where 90+% of stuff on your PC is installed via method A, then there are a few ones installed via methods B, C and D.
So keeping track of all the things installed can be a bit tricky - but given the vastness of disk space available nowadays, I found this to be mostly a non-issue.
The biggest chunk are those 50-150GB games anyway
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hooijdonk17
Member
It took 12 replies for a real Linux Bro to correct the OP. I am disappointed GAF..
TheSHEEEP
Gold Member
We're trying really hard to not be that guy, and here you are, giving creds to the guy who is being that guy.
Shame.
Doom_master1122
Member
The whole situation to me was giving me Windows Vista vibes again, perhaps not in the same way, but it felt like an impending doom that the next OS was going to be a disaster of a release. Much less Windows10x itself, but more so because much of Windows 10X was implemented into 11, and to me it felt like they were duct taping an OS together. The OS was suppose to be originally an answer to the "Chomebook OS" with their surface line up, and now its being converted into the next official Windows? I decided to try something new.
As we got close to 11's launch and hearing how TPM 2.0 requirements were locking people from upgrading/installing as their "hardware was too old", and forced Microsoft accounts (Both of these hurdles you could get around either way at the time, but the principles of it bothered me. It felt and still feels very anti consumer for the everyday user who may not be computer savvy.) This really cemented it that I was making the right choice.
Since then, hearing every little issue the OS has, as well as its usage in my work place (I work in a tech field, and I work with a lot of windows 11 machines), keeps reinforcing my choice. Unless Windows 12 (or further) really introduces something I can't use on Linux that I REALLY NEED, I don't see myself going back.
hooijdonk17
Member
I don't frequent GAF much anymore (or any boards for that matter) so my sarcasm-fu may have gotten weak, or maybe GAF overall became a lot more edgy, but obviously my attempt failed to register..
DryvBy
Member
I'm not oblivious to different distros but like saying Happy Holidays, you know what season I mean. When someone asks for the best Linux OS, you know what they mean.
Stop being a an "acktually..." nerd.
edit: I just saw your reply above mine. You're still a nerd, but I'll allow it.
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Hudo
Member
Been using Fedora for 3 years now as my gaming OS and never had any issues. In fact, it is easier to run older games on it than it is on Windows 11.
BeardSpike
Member
I use CachyOS with newest RC Kernel.
Lots of improvments for RX 9070 XT.
Still a bit to go.
Non- raytraced games are more performant on CachyOS than Windows.
Up to -40W TDP on Cachy for the same performance as on Windows.
Raytraced games on the other hand have lower TDP on Windows. Like 50W TDP difference.
Hopefully things will improve yet again in a while.
And we get FSR4 on Linux.
Lots of improvments for RX 9070 XT.
Still a bit to go.
Non- raytraced games are more performant on CachyOS than Windows.
Up to -40W TDP on Cachy for the same performance as on Windows.
Raytraced games on the other hand have lower TDP on Windows. Like 50W TDP difference.
Hopefully things will improve yet again in a while.
And we get FSR4 on Linux.
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kevboard
Member
how? which games specifically and why?
BeardSpike
Member
Probably through Proton or Wine, you have a ton of options to set up a Prefix with Win98, Win XP, Win 7, Win10 and Win11 - and a bunch of those you can mix with 32bit or 64 bits Prefixes.
Diseased Yak
Gold Member
I've been running CachyOS for a while now, and it's fast as all hell. Still some issues for certain games, of course, but Linux gaming is really catching up to being an easy recommend over Windows.
(note that I'm still running things in dual boot with Win 11 and probably will be for some time, but I'm enjoying messing with CachyOS all the same)
(note that I'm still running things in dual boot with Win 11 and probably will be for some time, but I'm enjoying messing with CachyOS all the same)
kevboard
Member
yeah, it's just that I don't know any games that can't be made to run on Windows 11 wich just as much tweaking as that.
the only games that really have major issues are ones with old weird DRM systems or who need specific APIs. but usually there's a way around these issues.
Radical_3d
Member
macOS. Don't @ me.
Hudo
Member
Either via Proton and Steam (adding a game manually to it) or via Lutris. Which games? Rollercoaster Tycoon 1 & 2, Sim City 2000, Sim City 3000, StarCraft, Diablo, Unreal, Unreal Tournament 99, Freelancer, Schleichfahrt, Grand Theft Auto 2, The Lord of the Rings: Battle for Middle-Earth, Dune 2000, Emperor: Battle for Dune, Warhammer: Dark Omen, No One Lives Forever 2, Need for Speed Underground, Half-Life, the Quake games, the C&C games, etc.
Never had any problems. Some games require special emulators. Like ScummVM or just DOSBox. But that is also required on modern Windows as well, so it's not like Linux is adding any complexity here.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Proton and Wine are the bigger complexity here as they are very hit or miss.
Hudo
Member
they are? I found this far easier to maneuver than what you'd need to do on Windows. Steam and Proton are basically just adding the game to Steam and choosing the right Proton version and Lutris is just taking the config from a user that has uploaded one. But YMMV, of course.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
On Windows you just double click on an .exe and the thing is running. No Proton/wine, no add to Steam, no right proton/wine version, no prefixes, no missing libraries/dependences, no missing support for RTX, HDR, DLSS4/FSR/XeSS yet to be implemented on proton/wine, game ready drivers, etc...
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