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The year of Linux will come, maybe.
Linux is the future of gaming if Microsoft do not do something
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
It will downgrade the image to 8-bit 420 HDR as opposed to the full 10-bit 444 RBG. In that regard you can get 4K/120.Switch 1 and 2 also use a variation of FreeBSD.
I did a test last weekend, I took the PC that's in the office and plugged it into the TV. It has an RX 7600. The TV identified 4K120 with HDR and it's an LG C4. I didn't see any degradation in the image. I tested Shadow of the Tomb Raider and The Witcher 1 and found the image quality to be very good, KDE apparently does the job of AutoHDR.
Admittedly it looks OK if you aren't aware that the colors are being downgraded, but once you see the color being lost from the downgrade, you can't unsee it.
Since you have a C4, you can click the green button on the remote like 10 consecutive times and it will show the bandwidth.
You should see something like RGB420 8b with some other numbers.
Full bandwidth would say RGB444 10b HDR
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
If we listened to people like
Geometric-Crusher
we'd still be riding horses for transportation.Agreed, it's not going to be an overnight change. It's little by little. Proton overcame the biggest obstacle in compatibility.
On another note, Chrome has actually gone to shit. I now use the generic Chromium, Firefox and Vivaldi
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Starbuck2907
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I'm inesrly 50 years old. I've been hearing that Linux is the future since it was created.
Doubt.
Doubt.
lastmessiah
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People who say that don't know anything about computers and operating systems. Linux is a kernel that was developed for servers. The GNU utilities later made it viable as a user-facing OS for people who know what the fuck they're doing - i.e. NOT the people complaining that Windows is broken after watching tranny porn on Russian malware sites.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Mine use iPads, which is very common nowadays as that is what they teach in schools.
Windows went away years ago.
alabtrosMyster
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There are plenty of gamers who do not play these games at all.
Microsoft does all the things they need to do to push people over to Linux, are are beyond the point where Linux is only used by the alpha geek, it's making inroads in the enthusiast market.
But why? Because it just works for a lot of things, people are fed up enough with Windows to consider attacking the learning curve (changing OS is a daunting task). It's easier than ever with all the online only services people use, we all are less dependant on native Windows applications than a few years back. Also, the smooth and polished dedicated gaming UI is enticing, people want that, no need for a keyboard, unless you decide to. No nagging to register for account X or Y and to use services, update whenever, etc. once it's setup as you please it's just there, no need to even worry about it trying to reorganize itself for the vendor's priorities over yours.
This is huge for a lot of people, you may not care... in this case it's for those who care to do the move first.
This is where you are factually wrong: Article
More than half of PC gamers play mostly single player games.
alabtrosMyster
Member
We all have our reasons to install Linux, if yours is to survive Russian tranny porn laden with malware... that works too!
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
That's a reference to the Steam Survey, where Linux recently past 3% "market share" if you will.
Granted many (most?) of those people probably use Windows for gaming as well.
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reinking
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My granddaughter did the same and then chose MacBook when she was going into high school and wanted a PC. My daughter went from a MacBook to a windows laptop and said she will be going back to MacBook. She needed Windows few a few classes for her master's degree and she is wrapping those up.
I have been with Windows since it was a GUI for DOS back in the early days. I have dabbled here and there with other operating systems over the years but lately have been considering making the final switch to MacOS for desktop stuff and Linux for gaming. I do not plan to abandon Windows completely, but I can see it being a "safety net" for a while and it slowly vanishing. Then again, if Windows could do FSE correctly things could change on the gaming front since it would offer the SteamOS experience without the driver issues. So far I have not been impressed.
DeltaPolarBear
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The fact is Microsoft assume Window Users are a captive audience and now is not even pretending to care about doing a better job.
This might work for Corporate where CEOs force their underlings to use software they don't want to use. But private home users can only be abused so much.
True, Linux has flaws. But so do Windows, and Microsoft is ADDING new flaws every month, taking their users for granted. At some point there has to be a tipping point.
This might work for Corporate where CEOs force their underlings to use software they don't want to use. But private home users can only be abused so much.
True, Linux has flaws. But so do Windows, and Microsoft is ADDING new flaws every month, taking their users for granted. At some point there has to be a tipping point.
Poppinfresh
Gold Member
I don't have kids but schools around here provide every student with a Chromebook and I suspect that if a kid wants their own personal computer they are looking at either a Macbook or an Ipad with a keyboard cover.
I personally have a Macbook and a Windows Desktop but my gaming PC, which is hooked up to the TV in the living room, runs Linux with a 5090(CachyOS). I use either the Macbook or the Gaming PC 90% of the time. The Windows PC is essentially what I use to check email and NeoGAF in the morning while I'm having my coffee.
My wife has a Windows PC for work and gaming, and she won't be switching anytime soon because there are specific programs she needs for work that only run on Windows.
I could probably switch fully to Linux with the Macbook as backup and be perfectly fine. If I ever really needed Windows I could always spin up a virtual machine.
EDIT: I'm shocked at how smooth gaming is now with Cachy and a 5090. Of course, I generally don't play games that use kernel-level anti-cheat, but if I ever wanted to play something like Battlefield, I could do it on my PS5
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lachesis
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Maybe Linux it will kick MS's lazy butt and force them to come up with something like Windows gaming edition, called windows X? (Wishful thinking, I know)
I sometimes feel like stereotypical Windows users would be something like Lidl/Wawa/ACME type of grocery store... and Mac OS being Wholefoods/Trader Joe - and Linux being the compost maker who claim "making your own compost and growing organic food is easy" type of group.
General population is hard steer, IMHO - that a lot of things will have to go wrong to convert the mass to join in Linux. So sure - maybe for hard core PC gamers who wants to squeeze most out of from their rig, it will - but I think most will still be using Windows or Mac OS for foreseeable future, and actual personal computing in general could end up being something different entirely, than a desktop/laptop pc in not to distant future.
In fact, all this component pricing fluctuations has convinced me how we (pc gamers) are in the lowest totem pole in terms of corporate priority - so I would be glad if desktop PC building/gaming is thriving in coming decades - regardless of the OS platform.
I sometimes feel like stereotypical Windows users would be something like Lidl/Wawa/ACME type of grocery store... and Mac OS being Wholefoods/Trader Joe - and Linux being the compost maker who claim "making your own compost and growing organic food is easy" type of group.
General population is hard steer, IMHO - that a lot of things will have to go wrong to convert the mass to join in Linux. So sure - maybe for hard core PC gamers who wants to squeeze most out of from their rig, it will - but I think most will still be using Windows or Mac OS for foreseeable future, and actual personal computing in general could end up being something different entirely, than a desktop/laptop pc in not to distant future.
In fact, all this component pricing fluctuations has convinced me how we (pc gamers) are in the lowest totem pole in terms of corporate priority - so I would be glad if desktop PC building/gaming is thriving in coming decades - regardless of the OS platform.
ResilientBanana
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not until it can perform the same, if not, better than Windows.
Unknown?
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Hi nuttella!
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
For all the whining on inefficiencies, secret AI monitoring, bloat that affects performances and so on, outside of a very select few cases, windows is faster for 98% of the time. Even their thumbnail is clickbait with the fps being favourable to Linux, the average is clearly a win for windows.
Mobile chipsets performing better on Linux because of power profile bugs creeping up in benchmarks or smaller CPU header, but for a desktop? If you want best performance it's windows
Until the day I see Linux dragging windows in the dirt for performance, why would I change OS?
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Crayon
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The big barriers are only a problem for linux getting to some really significant share. The anticheat and nvidia being behind, namely.
But those are not really a problem for growth now. 3% to 5% is a big deal. It was stuck at 1% for a long time, so 3% is significant growth. There is plenty of room within today's limitation to get to that 5% or a 10%. As long as it keeps growing.
If the last 10 years are any indication, linux will continue getting better while windows keeps getting worse. Linux is ready for the people who want to use it now, so there's no rush.
But those are not really a problem for growth now. 3% to 5% is a big deal. It was stuck at 1% for a long time, so 3% is significant growth. There is plenty of room within today's limitation to get to that 5% or a 10%. As long as it keeps growing.
If the last 10 years are any indication, linux will continue getting better while windows keeps getting worse. Linux is ready for the people who want to use it now, so there's no rush.
Mister Wolf
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Don't you want to be a samurai and take down Arasaka/Microsoft?
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Unknown Soldier
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Microsoft gets away with it because they know that 99.999999999% of people will never be computer nerdy enough to actually try and install Linux
What's holding Linux back is simply that it's not for normal people and that will never change because no one is in charge of Linux the way Microsoft is in charge of Windows
The actual real contender to Windows would have been Mac OS but unfortunately Apple doesn't care about gaming so oh well
What's holding Linux back is simply that it's not for normal people and that will never change because no one is in charge of Linux the way Microsoft is in charge of Windows
The actual real contender to Windows would have been Mac OS but unfortunately Apple doesn't care about gaming so oh well
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Topher
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Linus Torvald created Linux as an operating system anyone could use, not as a server. He built it for himself, primarily, as he didn't like other options. He gave it away and it became popular. Saying an OS is a server doesn't really mean a lot though. Any Windows OS can be a server. Windows Server uses the same kernel as Windows 11.
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DeltaPolarBear
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What happens when Microsoft decided Windows go full subscription? You HAVE to pay every month? We are not talk about Linux improving, we are talking about Windows getting worse. Microsoft is the ones killing Windows performance, and at some point they are going to too far.
For all the whining on inefficiencies, secret AI monitoring, bloat that affects performances and so on, outside of a very select few cases, windows is faster for 98% of the time. Even their thumbnail is clickbait with the fps being favourable to Linux, the average is clearly a win for windows.
Mobile chipsets performing better on Linux because of power profile bugs creeping up in benchmarks or smaller CPU header, but for a desktop? If you want best performance it's windows
Until the day I see Linux dragging windows in the dirt for performance, why would I change OS?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
So many here are so dramatic about Windows lol Guess the entire internet kind of is.
Meanwhile my Windows 11 gaming laptop I use almost every day works fine, as does my wife's Windows 11 Gaming Desktop.
I know people have had issues, and it sucks when it happens, but typically things get patched quickly. Like oh no a Windows update killed some perf then a day later before I ever installed the update nVidia had a fix.. my God, my PC gaming life is ruined!
Meanwhile my Windows 11 gaming laptop I use almost every day works fine, as does my wife's Windows 11 Gaming Desktop.
I know people have had issues, and it sucks when it happens, but typically things get patched quickly. Like oh no a Windows update killed some perf then a day later before I ever installed the update nVidia had a fix.. my God, my PC gaming life is ruined!
Crayon
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"Anyone" was more like computer science students, to be more clear. Unix was a pain to get access to so he went chadhard and wrote a mostly compatible kernel so working on unix could be approximated on a 386 at home. Hardcore stuff.
Just sayin because the phrase "anyone can use" could sound like a user-friendly system to the passerby.
Topher
Identifies as young
Correct. I meant "anyone could use" as in it was freely available for "anyone". There was nothing about it (or Unix really) that made it specialized for any specific use.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
Are we there yet? @ me whenever cause till then I ain't sacrificing performances
ZehDon
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More serious tech companies run their servers on Linux because it's more configurable and has dramatically less bloat than Windows. But there's a difference between the best end user experience and the best backend experience. And there, Windows is simply a better overall Desktop experience. If you want your staff to use something simple and easy to get their job done with zero fuss, it's hard to go past Windows. Where Windows excels (no pun intended) is in support: Windows supports, and is supported, by virtually every software release in the world going back nearly thirty years. Give your staff Windows, and you'll have no issues of "can this run in this environment?".
If Linux wants to claw its way onto more machines, it needs a better Desktop experience, and it needs support for 100% of Windows applications. I'm sure it'll get there eventually, but it's not happening in 2025.
winjer
Member
That is true. But most servers do use Linux.
Could you imagine the all internet running on Windows. The constant crashes, bugs, issues, spyware.
Things like the Crowdstrike blackout, would be a common thing.
Kacho
Gold Member
The issues with Windows are very much overblown. It's fine for me on a daily basis and I'm sure it is for most people as well. You'd think we're sitting on a powder keg reading internet discussion where people are champing at the bit to switch to another OS. I just don't think that's the case.
Unknown Soldier
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I mean if Linux wants to be taken seriously on the desktop there needs to be One True Linux Distribution and all others need to be deprecated
The reason Windows and Mac OS work is because there's only one each. There's like 5,000 different Linuxes out there
Since Valve refuses to release Steam OS as a general Linux distribution (and realistically even if they did there's still the issue of drivers for the infinity different possible PC configurations) there will never been a One True Linux Distribution for gamers and they'll all just keep using Windows
Valve understands this better than you think, there's a reason why they refuse to constantly upgrade the Steam Deck hardware. There's only 1 hardware for Steam Deck and only 1 Steam OS which is only for Steam Deck and contains optimal drivers and software. This is by design and intent. The GabeCube will also only have 1 hardware configuration and it will also have 1 Steam OS which contains optimal drivers for that 1 configuration. You know, like how consoles work...
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kevboard
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I just watched the video, lol...
took them 3 weeks to bugfix issues with the games they tested. and installing the Linux version of Baldur's Gate 3 on many desktop Linux distros apparently would corrupt your Linux install, because it was only tested on the Deck.
that is why Linux is still a terrible OS for anyone that actually wants to use their PC like a normal person.
took them 3 weeks to bugfix issues with the games they tested. and installing the Linux version of Baldur's Gate 3 on many desktop Linux distros apparently would corrupt your Linux install, because it was only tested on the Deck.
that is why Linux is still a terrible OS for anyone that actually wants to use their PC like a normal person.
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nani17
are in a big trouble
No you have me wrong. I'm not saying people don't play single player im saying they can't just rely on single player to pull people over to Linux.
If you can get these multiplayer games working with better in game FPS, that to me will have more people interested in moving over than just single player.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, Linux became big as servers alongside Apache back in the day. Low cost options for a world that was becoming web centric really fast.
RainblowDash
Gold Member
More than anything, I think indie games are the future.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
Says the console first guy.
Get a load of this..
Topher
Identifies as young
Analysis Platform Thread '[DF] Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance'
Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance
AC Shadows frame-rate drops by 33 to 50 percent.
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Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance
AC Shadows frame-rate drops by 33 to 50 percentA meaty new episode of DF Direct Weekly kicks off with a Valve double-header - reaction to news that Steam Machine may be heading for PC pricing, plus news of Linux FSR 4 support via Proton... including old GPUs. Meanwhile, Angry Alex is back and he's measured just how bad Windows performance in AC Shadows is impacted by a rogue update. Red Dead...
Poppinfresh
Gold Member
God, I hope not. The majority of them are terrible
Hero of Spielberg
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Mayar
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Analysis Platform Thread '[DF] Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance'
Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance
AC Shadows frame-rate drops by 33 to 50 percent.
Proof That Recent Windows Update Harms Gaming Performance
AC Shadows frame-rate drops by 33 to 50 percent
A meaty new episode of DF Direct Weekly kicks off with a Valve double-header - reaction to news that Steam Machine may be heading for PC pricing, plus news of Linux FSR 4 support via Proton... including old GPUs. Meanwhile, Angry Alex is back and he's measured just how bad Windows performance in AC Shadows is impacted by a rogue update. Red Dead...
Windows upgrade broke something again, shocking news.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Of course he is saying it will be bsd with Sony APIs.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
- a majority of steam games does still not work on the Steam Deck, noticeable the most sold and popular online games like Fortnite, Battlefield 6, due to anti cheat
- basic features like having another language than English is a effing pain on Linux. My language is Nordic, but I've tried to find out how to get my layout but gave up.
I have messed with Steam os on my deck, and windows and Linux has many of the same features, but no matter how much you shit on MS, they have nailed the user experience.
... Which is even worse on windows 11 compared to previous Windows OS, although still a better user experience than Linux.
I have no doubt that Steam os can toss some over, but no linux distributor can really replace windows one to one.
Also there's so many mainstream software not working on Linux.
Afaik Nvidia drivers suck on Linux, or are they even supported?
If you use it for work with Photoshop, FL studio etc, then good luck. It doesn't work properly.
" But Wine"
Wine emulates windows, but doesn't do it super well. There's a ton of vsts that does not work with Linux.
"But Linux has alternative applications".
Congrats. I haven't worked with this software for fifteen years, to just abandon everything and learn a subpar free Linux software and use 5 years to learn those.
It fucking sucks, because I would love to see Microsoft get some competition.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Can't be true, nobody who uses Arch has ever gotten laidDo so at your own peril
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Linux is close enough that if the industry wanted to support it as a whole the switch could easily be made.
But really it's not going to be a switch rather than a few changes to make all games run on either. And that isn't far off if the few using anti cheat just used something else.
But really it's not going to be a switch rather than a few changes to make all games run on either. And that isn't far off if the few using anti cheat just used something else.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think everyone can agree on this.
Topher
Identifies as young
Steam OS is already having a positive impact on Windows gaming so yeah, competition is always good
Crayon
Member
You're on the right track, but the problem isn't that there are a thousand distributions. - it that there are so few devices shipped with linux. That's what makes steamos seem so polished. It's tested and verified to work well on the device it ships on.
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