LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

Kinda weird my PS app on my phone hasn't been working all day, but I just got a real name notification when I clicked on it it said it couldnt connect to server in time... I'm certain its nothing big just kinda weird.


Also if anyone is worried about missing out on the flash sale, the sale is going on until the 29th here in California its still the 27th so there's still two more days of it available.
 
Lrrr said:
You are both wrong. I don't want Sony to provide a timetable; in fact, I think that's the worst thing they could do at this time. That said, they really need to stop with the "Thank you for your patience" line because it's only serving to make their consumers angrier since that's all we've been hearing for nearly two days.
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again what else are they going to say? It's a stock answer. I can't get mad at that.
 
bananafactory said:
People have serious issues if a company saying thank you for your patience is actually making them angry.
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Yes, I would agree they do, except that's not what I'm saying, so you have either genuinely misunderstood, or are deliberately misconstruing, what I'm saying. That specific line is NOT a problem; Sony repeating it ad nauseum for two straight days is.
 
Copen said:
Some people CAN get online and use services other like me can't so in the TOS down time is implied even if you haven't signed in for over a year. You were on and now you're not so I have the correct definition of what down time is. My issue is the scenario that Sony owes nobody anything because of what's happened I find that comical. In the world we live in the customer is always right and the fact is were paying for a service we are not getting and once you get past all the legal jargon bullshit that is the core issue. Sonys always had some sort of TOS yet they're sued anyway there's always a loop hole for an attorney smart enough to find it so Sonys TOS isn't iron clad and infallible. I'm not asking for compensation I'm merely stating that if enough time goes by customers asking for compensation isn't unreasonable under any circumstances.
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You know "the customer is always right" is a service term, right? For when you want to be service minded towards your costumer. If you threw your PC to the ground, then asked for me to cover it by my warranty, I'd tell you that smashing it on the ground isn't covered by warranty. If you then say "It wasn't", it doesn't mean 'the costumer is always right'.

Being "unreasonable" has also no connection to whether you can sue Sony over this, or not. Everyone here agrees you'd be unreasonable to try and sue Sony over this. You're mixing together even more things, but I'm really not going to address them, because this is way too weak.

Copen said:
I didn't misinterpret anything I quoted his words which were nobody is entitled to any compensation for down time. Which would include PSN never coming back up. You read it slower so you can understand mm kay. I obviously have a different opinion and it won't change so let's leave it at that. It's okay that my opinion differs from yours right? Is that okay?
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How is this hard to understand? PSN never coming back up means it's discontinued. If PSN is down, or is experiencing downtime, it means it'll come back up. This is not about opinion, but, hey I can't stop you say silly things, so feel free to keep going.
 
Caja 117 said:
You are just been in denial:

19.Limits on our liability and your rights
As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to:
(i)The quality, functionality, availability, completeness, accuracy or performance of the SEN or its products;
(ii)Any errors, bugs or viruses in, or malicious use of, the SEN or its products;
 (iii)Inability to purchase or use any products available via the SEN;
(iv)The activity and shared materials of other SEN users or hackers;
(v)Services and/or products provided by third parties;
(vi)Incompatibility of products with Sony systems licensed for sale outside of Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, Russia and Oceania;
(vii)Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and
(viii)Your Internet connection, including connection, data and roaming charges and any failure to have sufficient bandwidth to download or stream products from SEN.

This is Europe TOS, USA TOS is less similar but it does cover the same, it doesnt need to have the wording "DDoS by the LizardSquad" to be valid, interruption of service, Bugs, Virus, Etc are words used for this.
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In a legal contract specifics DO matter despite what you think otherwise. Doesn't have to specifically say "lizard squad attacks" are covered but does need to say in the event of an attack they aren't liable. It doesn't say that anywhere so it isn't covered or implied. Again I have a different opinion than you so it's alright I'll agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.
 
SpasilliumX11 said:
So good

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This account always delivers. Well done.
 
Sorral said:
No, I hope that they don't give out any sort of compensation because giving out anything will make the assholes DDoS more for "results." The same way Kim gave them the Mega coupons yet here we are again.

It wouldn't surprise me if some of them are expecting stuff out of this now especially since they sounded like they wanted to get hired for doing this.
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How would being hired work? They send a 24-style immunity pardon signed by the president first to promise they won't throw them in jail?
 
Copen said:
In a legal contract specifics DO matter despite what you think otherwise. Doesn't have to specifically say "lizard squad attacks" are covered but does need to say in the event of an attack they aren't liable. It doesn't say that anywhere so it isn't covered or implied. Again I have a different opinion than you so it's alright I'll agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.
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Did you read it at all?

I will copy and paste the section he bolded:

As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to:
(i)The quality, functionality, availability, completeness, accuracy or performance of the SEN or its products;
(ii)Any errors, bugs or viruses in, or malicious use of, the SEN or its products;


That says exactly what you want 100%
 
Lrrr said:
Yes, I would agree they do, except that's not what I'm saying, so you have either genuinely misunderstood, or are deliberately misconstruing, what I'm saying. That specific line is NOT a problem; Sony repeating it ad nauseum for two straight days is.
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So Sony telling everyone "thank you for your patience" after their updates is some how bad? lol I don't understand what the problem is here. It seems like your just nit-picking at things to complain about now.
 
Damian. said:
9-10am in what time zone?
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The glorious GMT! Lol idk I think that tweet is bologna or else it'd say which time zone and give more of a specific deadline rather than "oh we'll get it up within this obscure one hour window, that's when the Comcast repairman said he'd come."
 
This shit still down? Fuck, I wonder why they are having trouble bringing it back up. Are they still under constant attack?

I haven't even turned my ps4 on.
 
Sirim said:
I forgot the PS4 only has online-only games.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldnt he have to be online to update the software before he could play? And at the end of the day he could always buy the system later once they have gotten there shit together.
 
v1lla21 said:
This shit still down? Fuck, I wonder why they are having trouble bringing it back up. Are they still under constant attack?

I haven't even turned my ps4 on.
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PlayStation Network Update

Catherine Jensen's Avatar + Posted by Catherine Jensen on Dec 27, 2014 // VP, SCEA Consumer Experience

The video game industry has been experiencing high levels of traffic designed to disrupt connectivity and online gameplay. Multiple networks, including PSN, have been affected over the last 48 hours. PSN engineers are working hard to restore full network access and online gameplay as quickly as possible.

From time to time there may be disruptions in service due to surges in traffic, but our engineers will be working to restore service as quickly as possible.

If you received a PlayStation console over the holidays and have been unable to log onto the network, know that this problem is temporary and is not caused by your game console. We’ll continue to keep you posted on Twitter at @AskPlayStation and we’ll update this post once the problems subside.

Thanks again for your patience.
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Source http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/12/27/playstation-network-update-3/
 
Copen said:
In a legal contract specifics DO matter despite what you think otherwise. Doesn't have to specifically say "lizard squad attacks" are covered but does need to say in the event of an attack they aren't liable. It doesn't say that anywhere so it isn't covered or implied. Again I have a different opinion than you so it's alright I'll agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.
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Let me point out how you're contradicting yourself. Sony has stated that they are not guaranteeing that their service will always be up, and give you no warranty that it will be. It's now not up. You are not covered by any warranty when that happens. That's specific. But, more ironically, you say that they need to be specific, but not very specific. They are specific. They say the service might be down. It is. That's very accurate. They say they do not give you a warranty in the case that it goes down. That covers this. So, your contraction serves no purpose. You say that when they say "we do not give you a warranty for the service always being up" isn't specific enough, but that "an attack" is specific enough, but that it doesn't have to be more specific than that. And you're trying to argue that my arguments shift to fit my narrative?
 
Can somebody explain to me why sony doesnt have better servers? Xbox Live was up maybe an hour after the attacks, but Sony's haven't been up for 2 days now.
 
Copen said:
In a legal contract specifics DO matter despite what you think otherwise. Doesn't have to specifically say "lizard squad attacks" are covered but does need to say in the event of an attack they aren't liable. It doesn't say that anywhere so it isn't covered or implied. Again I have a different opinion than you so it's alright I'll agree to disagree with you and leave it at that.
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Dude, this is not a matter of Opinion, I worked for 10 Years with Electonic Banking of a global bank, this was my JOB.
 
Jingo said:
We stay the same way, looks like there is a possibility tomorrow morning from 9 am till 10 am.
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Nope. :p

This one is close:
Megauap said:
"Everything is still the same, PSN is DOWN, it seems that the only chance is at morning from 9 to 10 am."
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All it implies is that PSN is still the same and that you have more possibilities on getting online around the morning (9-10).

But as noted earlier, it just seems to be someone talking about it. Not an official response or anything...
 
Lrrr said:
You are both wrong. I don't want Sony to provide a timetable; in fact, I think that's the worst thing they could do at this time. That said, they really need to stop with the "Thank you for your patience" line because it's only serving to make their consumers angrier since that's all we've been hearing for nearly two days.
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Fair enough, but i dont think it is making consumers in general more angry. Leaving out that "thanks for your patience" might have made other angry. For example, i saw a complaint in the other thread about PSN being down where one said that he felt that Sony didnt appologized enough.
 
Septimius said:
You know "the customer is always right" is a service term, right? For when you want to be service minded towards your costumer. If you threw your PC to the ground, then asked for me to cover it by my warranty, I'd tell you that smashing it on the ground isn't covered by warranty. If you then say "It wasn't", it doesn't mean 'the costumer is always right'.

Being "unreasonable" has also no connection to whether you can sue Sony over this, or not. Everyone here agrees you'd be unreasonable to try and sue Sony over this. You're mixing together even more things, but I'm really not going to address them, because this is way too weak.
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Opinions what are they? I disagree with you and anyone else who says that IF this drags on Sony is not responsible and accountable for their paid service not performing as advertised. You hold the TOS up all you want because Sony has always had and revised their TOS yet they are sued in court anyway because there's a legal system in place that gives everyone the right to be displeased with things and sue people for it. Do I want to sue? No I don't and I never implied that I did. Do I want compensation? No I simply said that if enough time passes without the problem being resolved WE being PSN customers ARE entitled to some sort of compensation and it doesn't matter whether you agree or not that's beside the point. I quoted you and you cherry picked your way to trying to fit your argument. And you said "If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter" right after you said Sony isn't responsible for any down time which IS a contradicting statement whether you believe it is or not. Since I can't get through to you and you keep changing things to fit your narrative it's best if this ends right here because arguing is pointless since no progress can be made in this argument. I respect your opinion but disagree with it have a nice day.
 
bananafactory said:
People have serious issues if a company saying thank you for your patience is actually making them angry.
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Have you seen their twitter feed? Of their last 12 posts, 6 have "thank you for your patience" and the information that's there is essentially "we know, we're working on it". I could see how that could get annoying. Courtesy is great, lack of information and a repeated generic line isn't.
 
jadedm17 said:
Have you seen their twitter feed? Of their last 12 posts, 6 have "thank you for your patience" and the information that's there is essentially "we know, we're working on it". I could see how that could get annoying. Courtesy is great, lack of information and a repeated generic line isn't.
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What else do you want them to say? They're not going to detail everything that is going on, as that can open them to more attacks
 
njean777 said:
Can somebody explain to me why sony doesnt have better servers? Xbox Live was up maybe an hour after the attacks, but Sony's haven't been up for 2 days now.
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1) XBL IS DOWN, too. so says what's his name's brother's cousin.
2) PSN has to cover the PS3, Vita and PS4 so it's "network is more vast".
3) MSFT's network is "more vast" lol because azure or something.
4) but wait, you just said PSN has was larger
5) The attackers focused attacks more on Sony as to make them look worse
 
taco543 said:
Kinda weird my PS app on my phone hasn't been working all day, but I just got a real name notification when I clicked on it it said it couldnt connect to server in time... I'm certain its nothing big just kinda weird.


Also if anyone is worried about missing out on the flash sale, the sale is going on until the 29th here in California its still the 27th so there's still two more days of it available.
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The attack is on a single set of servers. The authentication sign-in servers. That's why everything else is working.
 
breakfuss said:
And I think the point some of you are missing in regard to "PSN vs XBL" is that it seems the former is more often plagued with problems. Whether that perception is fair/accurate is unclear but it definitely exists. I don't know why and I don't know how but it just seems that way. I can think of no other online service/store front that has this many issues and downtime.
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You make it sound like the employees are always tripping over cables and knocking the service off. They're down from attacks, which are becoming more and more common.
 
Copen said:
Opinions what are they? I disagree with you and anyone else who says that IF this drags on Sony is not responsible and accountable for their paid service not performing as advertised. You hold the TOS up all you want because Sony has always had and revised their TOS yet they are sued in court anyway because there's a legal system in place that gives everyone the right to be displeased with things and sue people for it. Do I want to sue? No I don't and I never implied that I did. Do I want compensation? No I simply said that if enough time passes without the problem being resolved WE being PSN customers ARE entitled to some sort of compensation and it doesn't matter whether you agree or not that's beside the point. I quoted you and you cherry picked your way to trying to fit your argument. And you said "If this had PSN go down forever, I'd expect people to get their PSN+ time back, and be compensated for their digital downloads. But that's a completely different matter" right after you said Sony isn't responsible for any down time which IS a contradicting statement whether you believe it is or not. Since I can't get through to you and you keep changing things to fit your narrative it's best if this ends right here because arguing is pointless since no progress can be made in this argument. I respect your opinion but disagree with it have a nice day.
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Yup. I said that. Because downtime and a discontinuation of service are two different things. I never once tried to argue anything else with you, but you take my answer to 'downtime' and apply it to 'discontinuation of service'. That's why nothing you say make any sense.

gregor7777 said:
OK man, LOL.
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You said only vague things. Do you work with ACLs, flow rate control, or do you not deal with this on a router level?
 
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