No, it means they werent attacked.
LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]
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They just did and it's what we've known this whole time.
test_account
XP-39C²
They did put out a statement:
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/12/27/playstation-network-update-3
They have also been posting on Twitter.
Robot Pants
Member
Xbox live down for me
DudeWithNoName
Member
"Live is down", as you stated was a pretty cut and dry statement no?
HawksWinStanley
Member
Countless posters on GAF have commented on how they've experienced more issues with PSN this year alone than they have in the multiple years on Live. I'm one of them. And you're going to tell us that this is something that might never happen again. Out of this entire thread this post comes across as one of the most naive. That's saying something.
Grindlefly
Member
Well psn isn't totally down. The app on my phone now working, can't access friends lists etc but live on playstation working and people broadcasting. Maybe it's coming back slowly
LowParry
Member
Let me wet that statement up with some vodka and a little bit of orange juice. Some users are effected. Not all, but some. What those number are we'll never really know except for those who report it here. PSN seems more apparent but that doesn't mean XBL is perfect. I guess that means I'm playing PC games today. Oh woe is me.
Microsoft could be this and that but they still got taken out on Christmas day as promised by these loons.
To me, neither of these companies can do anything about it, if they want to, they could take down live again, let's not suddenly get full of ourselves. It's just easier to keep kicking Sony while they are down
To me, neither of these companies can do anything about it, if they want to, they could take down live again, let's not suddenly get full of ourselves. It's just easier to keep kicking Sony while they are down
Point being?
Assuming we had a handy list of every "terrorist website and forum", what would this achieve?
gregor7777
Banned
Because it is illegal and pointless.
i get very limited time off and I was looking forward to kicking back and playing some games with some beers over the holidays, these little pricks ruined that.
What they're doing isn't even clever....
The fact their addresses got leaked makes me hope someone goes round to their parents house and tells them what's up.
What they're doing isn't even clever....
The fact their addresses got leaked makes me hope someone goes round to their parents house and tells them what's up.
Because we like our freedom and don't want to end up in jail thank you very much
LookAtMeGo
Member
I was on PSN all day on christmas and boxing day no problem but I can't get on now. I don't think it was ever totally down. Its hard to tell if its getting better from my perspective since today is the worst yet for me.
bananafactory
Banned
Guys, it sucks, but let's not forget the reason it's down is because of some assholes who attacked it.
Would be great if Sony had recovered faster but they aren't the ones to blame.
Yeah it's not totally down, I'm still online and I am seeing different friends appear online every so often so some people are also getting on.
Would be great if Sony had recovered faster but they aren't the ones to blame.
Yeah it's not totally down, I'm still online and I am seeing different friends appear online every so often so some people are also getting on.
So you're cherry picking then? You're cherry picking out the parts of the TOS and your argument that fits your narrative? You specifically said were not entitled to any compensation what so ever for down time and like I said down time is down time be it a day or a year I quoted you and your words. Your argument is based around down time no matter the reason or length gets no compensation. So saying it being down indefinitely then entitled you to compensation in any form IS you contradicting yourself.
Baldwin_the_First
Member
Bunch of basement dwellers cunts is what they are. The hatred, sadness and frustration of millions of people for the sole purpose of having a small potential of being offered a career for the shit they've done . And it'll continue being like that until there's no more idiots offering them anything. Useless cunts.
I feel for those who were alone on Christmas and all they wanted was to drown in games and be with online friends at the very least to forget about it.
I feel for those who were alone on Christmas and all they wanted was to drown in games and be with online friends at the very least to forget about it.
Grindlefly
Member
Exactly the same position fella. 4 days off, that's it. Was hoping to play some games with my bro who also only has 4 days off.
I feel your pain!!
Live Free or Die
Banned
Agreed. Please stop this in fighting.
If those addresses were real, I suspect the repercussions would be a little more serious than a telling off from their parents
PS Plus Terms of Service for Europe: http://www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/en-gb/terms-of-service/
19.Limits on our liability and your rights
As far as permitted by law, we are not responsible or liable for nor do we give warranty or representation in relation to:
(i)The quality, functionality, availability, completeness, accuracy or performance of the SEN or its products;
(ii)Any errors, bugs or viruses in, or malicious use of, the SEN or its products;
(iii)Inability to purchase or use any products available via the SEN;
(iv)The activity and shared materials of other SEN users or hackers;
(v)Services and/or products provided by third parties;
(vi)Incompatibility of products with Sony systems licensed for sale outside of Europe, the Middle East, Africa, India, Russia and Oceania;
(vii)Loss of data, loss of or damage to software or hardware or unauthorised access to your SEN account as a result of using or accessing the SEN; and
(viii)Your Internet connection, including connection, data and roaming charges and any failure to have sufficient bandwidth to download or stream products from SEN.
PS Plus Terms of Service for America: http://www.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/terms-of-service/
No warranty is given about the quality, functionality, availability or performance of SEN First Party Services, or any content or service offered on or through SEN First Party Services. All services and content are provided "AS IS" and "AS AVAILABLE" with all faults. SNEI does not warrant that the service and content will be uninterrupted, error-free or without delays. In addition to the limitations of liability of this Agreement, SNEI expressly disclaims any implied warranty of merchantability, warranty of fitness for a particular purpose and warranty of non-infringement. SNEI assumes no liability for any inability to purchase, access, download or use any content, data or service. YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE RECOURSE IN THE EVENT OF ANY DISSATISFACTION WITH OR DAMAGE ARISING FROM SEN FIRST PARTY SERVICES OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT AND SNEI'S MAXIMUM LIABILITY UNDER THIS AGREEMENT OR WITH RESPECT TO YOUR USE OF OR ACCESS TO SEN FIRST PARTY SERVICES SHALL BE LIMITED TO YOUR DIRECT DAMAGES, NOT TO EXCEED THE UNUSED FUNDS IN YOUR WALLET AS OF THE DATE OF TERMINATION. EXCEPT AS STATED IN THE FOREGOING SENTENCE, SNEI EXCLUDES ALL LIABILITY FOR ANY LOSS OF DATA, DAMAGE CAUSED TO YOUR SOFTWARE OR HARDWARE, AND ANY OTHER LOSS OR DAMAGE SUFFERED BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY, WHETHER DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, OR CONSEQUENTIAL AND HOWEVER ARISING, AS A RESULT OF ACCESSING OR DOWNLOADING ANY CONTENT TO YOUR PLAYSTATION®4 COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, PLAYSTATION®3 COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT SYSTEM, THE PSP® (PLAYSTATION®PORTABLE) SYSTEM, PLAYSTATION®VITA SYSTEM, 4K ULTRA HD MEDIA PLAYER SYSTEM, BRAVIA® TELEVISION, SONY BLU-RAY® DISC PLAYER OR ANY HARDWARE DEVICE, OR USING OR ACCESSING SEN FIRST PARTY SERVICES. UNLESS THIS PROVISION IS UNENFORCEABLE IN YOUR JURISDICTION, THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND DISCLAIMERS SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, EVEN IF ANY REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE. You acknowledge that SEN First Party Services may require an internet connection for which you are solely responsible. Further, you are solely responsible for payment of any third party fees associated with your internet connection, including but not limited to internet service provider or airtime charges. The provision, quality and security of such internet connectivity are the sole responsibility of the third party providing such service. Authorized Devices sold separately.
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If you live in a country with basic consumer rights and properly regulated internet services, you are probably entitled to compensation out of this (no, not a free copy of Uncharted 4). Although a class action is probably the easiest way to get something (I certainly wouldn't go myself to court over two days or $0.27 cents)
It doesnt, but it does state that they are not legally liable for any type of service interruption, meaning they have no obligation to compensate customers, as I said before if they do so, its as a Thank you, but not because they are under any obligation to do so. this is/should be the same for any Service of this nature, be it Online shoping, Video Gaming or Banking.
In the TOS everything is covered under "does not warrant that the service and content will be uninterrupted, error-free or without delays" that includes Downtime for Maintainance and Because of outside factors.
I dont think under any law such thing is possible given the nature of this interruption, unless the company was found that it was negligible trough the whole issue. (but most of my Knowledge of Internet TOS comes from Electronic Banking, so Im not sure how different is for Entertaiment)
edit- regarding PSN
oh man, I was playing fine late last night... now it's not working again..
why does it go back and forth like this?
were there more attacks?
or is it... in the process of fixing everything, disconnections happen along the way until ultimately getting completely fixed?
oh man, I was playing fine late last night... now it's not working again..
why does it go back and forth like this?
were there more attacks?
or is it... in the process of fixing everything, disconnections happen along the way until ultimately getting completely fixed?
test_account
XP-39C²
They say that they are attacking the Xbox 1 AW (i'm guessing Call Of Duty: Advanced Warfare?) servers now and will stop if they get 2k retweets. I really hope that Kim Dotcom revokes the vouchers that he gave away.
Pestilence11
Member
Very fair questions. It depends. One scenario might be that all the PSN servers are behind one route in. This means that if you try to log in, or if you try to access something, you're going the same way through the network. If I then attack the PSN auth servers, I can fill up the links for all other services. Then you'd place a restriction on the amount of bandwidth for one service, or one address. That would mean the attack couldn't stop all other services you're running, but log in would still be down.
The problem is that you need to block traffic from those that are attacking. Reflective NTP attacks were all the rage half a year ago. You could get any server or router or anything that would help other devices sync what time it is (NTP-protocol) to spam whatever you wanted. Basically, you told a server "hey, this address wonders what time it is". Actually what you did was say "So, you can tell me what time it is, right? But, where do you get the time you know it is from? Can't you tell me the 300 servers you know of that you get the time from?" and pretend it was sent from, say, PSN. Then routers, servers and other things all over the world would start telling PSN "here are all the servers I know of:". You'd amplify what traffic you can create by sending one tiny packet to one server and have it send a lot, lot more back to what you were attacking. But the internet is basically closed down for that type of attack now. Or, it should be.
Botnets are what's being used now. You infect machines, or take over hardware, and you abuse it to do your bidding. People provide botnet attacks for money. That's why this is completely ridiculous. If you have a small amount of cash, you can likely shut down a small service for a few hours. You just place an order on a dodgy web page. You don't need to know what you're doing at all. The "organisations" that have these botnets just keep harvesting bots. Fending off these attacks is hard. An easy attack to fend off is to just look at all the packets that comes in and realize"oh, they all say "HELLO I AM AWESOME" (just as an illustrating example)", and stop all packets that say that. But it's likely randomized, and even disguised as "proper traffic". That makes it very hard to stop. You can then start looking for "OK, who's trying to log in five hundred thousand times per second?" and start blocking them. The more you think, the more the counterpart reacts. The internet will always have capacity to overload a service. That's why DDOS can always happen.
We scan for botnets on our network and we find them. They're easy enough to spot. I don' work with that, but I wish other organisations would do the same. There are so many things that are being used in botnets. Getting rid of that is really the only way to stop DDOSes. Or at least severely cripple them. That's when people have to use their own machines to attack. That's when they're easier to catch. Now it's nearly impossible to catch them, since it's never the attackers machine that does the attack.
This didn't really answer my question, and it seems you work in a more peripheral part of networking, not directly handling DDOSes yourself. No criticism meant.
bananafactory
Banned
It's like someone intentionally crashing a semi into your home then blaming the construction guys because they aren't repairing it fast enough. And the XBL comparisons is just your richer neighbour who also had a semi crash into his house having more money to hire more and better people to rebuild it.
Jest Chillin
Member
Your definition of down time is incorrect. In order for there to be "down time" there must be "up time." If there is no "up time" then there can be no "down time" only a lack of services that are advertised as being provided for a fee.
LookAtMeGo
Member
Hmmm. So on the web store I bought DA:I and it said it was not able to add funds to my wallet then I got the thanks for your purchase email from Sony. Hmmmm
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I hope gamers aren't dumb enough to retweet anything from those fucks
NoFaceNico
Member
Sony should really give out some free stuff to make up for this.
... not that I play online or was planning on buying anything from PS Store any time soon, I just want some free shit.
... not that I play online or was planning on buying anything from PS Store any time soon, I just want some free shit.
His argument is clear and very simple to understand. Either read it again slower or stop wilfully misinterpreting it trying to win an Internet 'point'
Petrae
Member
Anecdotally speaking, it's already cost Sony a sale. Talking with a family member today over lunch, he backed out of buying a PS4 from Best Buy after hearing about this PSN crisis. I can't say that I blame him.
He wanted to upgrade to play a better version of Dragon Age Inquisition, but instead will continue to play the 360 version, he said.
I'm not going to be one of those idiots who make this a OMG XBL IS THE BEST EVARRRRRR but when my primary gaming system was the 360 I recall maybe once I had connectivity issues that weren't my own Internet related..... This is what the third or fourth time in the ps4s lifespan that psn has had issues?
The reason for me that it sucks is because it's my primary system now and I hate this is a reason I would consider to get an xb1
The reason for me that it sucks is because it's my primary system now and I hate this is a reason I would consider to get an xb1
SCE have partnered with Amazon Web Services for their PlayStation Network. AWS is consistently ranked higher than Microsoft's own Azure network. No easy push over. They must have discovered a weak link in the chain somewhere. Perhaps the way PSN is linked.
bananafactory
Banned
This happened to me with Guilty Gear last night, it's installed now and I played it. If you got the email then the purchase when through.
Though when I tried to launch Guilty Gear from my dashboard it said I needed to purchase it still, i had to go back to the PSN store and hit "Start" from the product page, now it works
psn
Member
Sooo, just tell me how often PSN was down because of DDOS?
And then decide if it is worth to expand your server farm for billions of $ just in case some ppl decide to attack it again. And guess what? Next time they just use twice as much infected hardware to attack..
I've had less problems with PSN this year than I had with Steam this year. Is this a thing now? Because I have problems - everybody has them? There are thousands of people here that rarely have any problems but just ignore them. People who actually have problems are the only ones who count.
Wait, seriously? I thought XBL has been up since 9am eastern November 25th? /s
Nah though it's probably due to high traffic, especially if you're in North America.
SpasilliumX11
Member
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test_account
XP-39C²
They retweet, unfortunately. When i posted that, it was reteweeted about 1.1k times. Now its been retweeted about 1.7k times.
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LookAtMeGo
Member
Cool thanks for the heads up.
No point, its a fact!
test_account
XP-39C²
Lol, i must admit that i laughed.
Is this Pete? I follow you on twitter. That said. I can't blame him either. Why buy something when one of its main components doesn't work properly at the moment. I can't in good confidence tell someone to go out and buy a PS4 right now.
Rebel Leader
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So good
Oh dear