London GAF - Single fares on public transport frozen until 2020

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Frozen just like some very anticipated games releasing.... I'm looking at you Death Stranding, Cyberpunk, and the list runs on!
 
YoodlePro said:
Hmmm, is this gaming?
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Sweet. This, hopper fare and night tube in the space of a year. [e: well, like a quarter ]

What's wrong with the new Routemaster?
 
Really happy about the fare freeze.

I guess networks across the country will never be able to promise stuff like this until they're taken off private companies who get handsomely rewarded for having a crap record, which defies the incentive for them being private in the first place. The only way I have to get back and visit family in the Midlands is via First Great Western - my fair has doubled in the last 7 years and most of the time have to sit on the floor between carriages.

Big up Sadiq though.
 
Drama Zed Nod said:
The tubes and trains have to be operational, on time and not continually on strike for it to matter much : P
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U wot? I use the tube everyday and other than it being cramped it rarely messes up for me in terms of delays. Continually on strike is harsh - I had a really hard commute on Monday but I can't remember the last time I've been affected by a strike. I'm happy to have an inconvenient morning now and again for the sake of people striking over job security and customer safety.
 
Great news!

The fares are already super expensive, by the way. but great that they are freezing the prices for a few years at least.
 
kqedequalsvolvo said:
U wot? I use the tube everyday and other than it being cramped it rarely messes up for me in terms of delays. Continually on strike is harsh - I had a really hard commute on Monday but I can't remember the last time I've been affected by a strike. I'm happy to have an inconvenient morning now and again for the sake of people striking over job security and customer safety.
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Yeah, I can't knock the tube too much. Its usually pretty reliable, albeit a bit overcrowded and ridiculously hot during the summer.
 
The problem is that inflation is a reality.
TFL is pretty expensive but better any other public transport around the country.

This is effectively a budget cut.
Unless weekly, monthly and yearly passes get much more expensive.

But perhaps the plan is for more automation.
 
Woffls said:
Sweet. This, hopper fare and night tube in the space of a year. [e: well, like a quarter ]

What's wrong with the new Routemaster?
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It is more uncomfortable than the regular buses, and it becomes a sauna during warm summer days.
 
Frodo said:
It is more uncomfortable than the regular buses, and it becomes a sauna during warm summer days.
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I really like the look of them but don't have a choice about using them as the bus route I use for work fully switched to them. Agree about them being awful in the summer.

Main problem I have with them is that you get used to boarding in the middle of the bus - driver proper screamed at me last time I did that by mistake.
 
That's great for when I visit London from time to time from uni as tube prices are already insane at times.
Jonnax said:
The problem is that inflation is a reality.
TFL is pretty expensive but better any other public transport around the country.

This is effectively a budget cut.
Unless weekly, monthly and yearly passes get much more expensive.

But perhaps the plan is for more automation.
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Yh that is coming - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...w-driverless-tube-trains-unveiled-by-TFL.html

Iirc their plan is to have barriers akin the what we have on jubliee line on all these lines as part of the rollout.
 
kqedequalsvolvo said:
U wot? I use the tube everyday and other than it being cramped it rarely messes up for me in terms of delays. Continually on strike is harsh - I had a really hard commute on Monday but I can't remember the last time I've been affected by a strike. I'm happy to have an inconvenient morning now and again for the sake of people striking over job security and customer safety.
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mate, i've lived in London for many many years and taken every type of transport this city has to offer. Your commute is not indicative of how many people have to use the tube. Especially if you live and have to travel from busy stations and have to change tubes multiple times to complete your journey. God forbid you need to travel at the weekend with the continuous "improvements" that disrupt the lines for the last decade.

Some tube lines are better than others, but the conditions in terms of overcrowding on any given train at rush hour in the morning or evening is crazy. Let's not even get in to the cost for the privilege of travelling in those conditions.The new air conditioned trains are a good step forward to combat some of those issues (like the heat) but they aren't even on every line.

The amount of disruption caused last year due to strikes on the underground was crazy. If you mix that in with how bad / late and on strike Southern railways are, you just have a mess of a transport system.

I'm not against strikes for safety or legitimate reasons but the amount of strikes and the breadth of reasons (not all of which i agree with) means its the average commuter that pays the price with extortionist ticket prices, bad service, wasted time and terrible commutes.
 
SuperSah said:
Hopper means if you get on one bus, off and on another within the same hour you got on the first, it's a free ride.
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Ah so it only applies to the same bus you got off from so if you take a different bus within the hour you still have to pay
 
I guess that's fine, but seeing as the weekly caps and monthly/annual tickets for the Tube aren't frozen there'll still be an effective price increase for most commuters.
 
As someone who lives on the dreaded Southern Route in Crystal Palace not really that helpful for me but I am pleased none the less!
 
wetflame said:
Southern are just awful. I can't remember the last time I caught one of their trains on time.
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I don't even bother trying to take the southern trains anymore - luckily I can take thameslink services or just cycle when it's really bad.

Feel for the others who can't though.....
 
Good news, very rare to get price freezes now days.

Whats the deal with posting a new thread in the wrong section? Do you get a slapped bum? Just wondering for the day I become a full member and can post threads, how long does that process take aswell? One more thing and i apologise for all the questions but whos the guvnors who run this forum? Thanks.
 
DAHGAMING said:
Good news, very rare to get price freezes now days.

Whats the deal with posting a new thread in the wrong section? Do you get a slapped bum? Just wondering for the day I become a full member and can post threads, how long does that process take aswell? One more thing and i apologise for all the questions but whos the guvnors who run this forum? Thanks.
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You get ridiculed with a few gaming jokes and then eventually a mod moves it
 
Drama Zed Nod said:
mate, i've lived in London for many many years and taken every type of transport this city has to offer. Your commute is not indicative of how many people have to use the tube. Especially if you live and have to travel from busy stations and have to change tubes multiple times to complete your journey. God forbid you need to travel at the weekend with the continuous "improvements" that disrupt the lines for the last decade.

Some tube lines are better than others, but the conditions in terms of overcrowding on any given train at rush hour in the morning or evening is crazy. Let's not even get in to the cost for the privilege of travelling in those conditions.The new air conditioned trains are a good step forward to combat some of those issues (like the heat) but they aren't even on every line.

The amount of disruption caused last year due to strikes on the underground was crazy. If you mix that in with how bad / late and on strike Southern railways are, you just have a mess of a transport system.

I'm not against strikes for safety or legitimate reasons but the amount of strikes and the breadth of reasons (not all of which i agree with) means its the average commuter that pays the price with extortionist ticket prices, bad service, wasted time and terrible commutes.
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Fair enough - wasn't meaning to imply that because I find it relatively alright that it's like that for everyone, just felt it came across a bit harsh so wanted to balance it. Guess the relative thing is where your route is taking you. For me, I'm using the tube every morning from out in East London into Holborn and use the tube regularly at the weekend - just generally but also have a football season ticket/go to away games so I'm either going across London or to busy NR stations and broadly it's fine for me. Girlfriend lives in North and again find commuting about from there on two different lines pretty stress-free.

I might be a bit soft about it to be honest. I get frustrated when stuff goes wrong on the tube and I hate being crammed into the tube, but by the same token I'll tolerate that for being able to get where I need to go relatively quickly. Sometimes I'll have to wait for 4-5 trains before I can get on in the morning, but they're arriving once a minute.

I also have a fair bit of sympathy on the improvements thing because it's such a huge network and it's bloody old. It kinda turns into a circular argument - things like over-crowding and signal failures etc. happen because the tube needs to be modernised, but you can't modernise it without periodically shutting parts of it down. I used to live on the northern line when that was closed and it was SHIT. So maybe now I've been lucky enough to not have any major closures near me I'm being too generous.

Still disagree partly on the strikes thing though. Agree they are really disruptive, which is the point, but it doesn't feel like they happen regularly to me. I know they increased in frequency under Boris but the commute on Monday (normally 40 mins, took 3 hours...) made me try and remember the last time it had happened and I could barely remember. Declared bias of being very pro-union in principle, though.

Completely agree about Southern though - absolute shambles. Some awful stories about people not even being able to get jobs if they rely on Southern for their commute as employers can't trust them to get in regularly/on time.
 
kqedequalsvolvo said:
Fair enough - wasn't meaning to imply that because I find it relatively alright that it's like that for everyone, just felt it came across a bit harsh so wanted to balance it. Guess the relative thing is where your route is taking you. For me, I'm using the tube every morning from out in East London into Holborn and use the tube regularly at the weekend - just generally but also have a football season ticket/go to away games so I'm either going across London or to busy NR stations and broadly it's fine for me. Girlfriend lives in North and again find commuting about from there on two different lines pretty stress-free.

I might be a bit soft about it to be honest. I get frustrated when stuff goes wrong on the tube and I hate being crammed into the tube, but by the same token I'll tolerate that for being able to get where I need to go relatively quickly. Sometimes I'll have to wait for 4-5 trains before I can get on in the morning, but they're arriving once a minute.

I also have a fair bit of sympathy on the improvements thing because it's such a huge network and it's bloody old. It kinda turns into a circular argument - things like over-crowding and signal failures etc. happen because the tube needs to be modernised, but you can't modernise it without periodically shutting parts of it down. I used to live on the northern line when that was closed and it was SHIT. So maybe now I've been lucky enough to not have any major closures near me I'm being too generous.

Still disagree partly on the strikes thing though. Agree they are really disruptive, which is the point, but it doesn't feel like they happen regularly to me. I know they increased in frequency under Boris but the commute on Monday (normally 40 mins, took 3 hours...) made me try and remember the last time it had happened and I could barely remember. Declared bias of being very pro-union in principle, though.

Completely agree about Southern though - absolute shambles. Some awful stories about people not even being able to get jobs if they rely on Southern for their commute as employers can't trust them to get in regularly/on time.
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That's actually a very good pragmatic response, Thanks for that :)

It annoys me so much as I've traveled a lot and seen how the rest of the world does this. With the exception of LA and Paris every other underground network seemed better to me (NY is about on par with London).

I also understand the issues with our systems and the limitations they face. It's a rock and a hard place. Not Southern though, They are straight up twats.

I actually moved so i could avoid getting the tube or southern rail as it was all too much of a pain.

Removing them from my life improved my days 10 fold.

I'm at a point where i can't accept a 3 hour journey to work. Changing my life was the only thing that made sense to me, not wanting London and it's transport to accommodate my needs for something better.

Funny thing was though, when i first moved here i thought the tube was the best service ever. Now im just a bad tempered bastard like the rest of London ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Drama Zed Nod said:
mate, i've lived in London for many many years and taken every type of transport this city has to offer. Your commute is not indicative of how many people have to use the tube. Especially if you live and have to travel from busy stations and have to change tubes multiple times to complete your journey. God forbid you need to travel at the weekend with the continuous "improvements" that disrupt the lines for the last decade.

Some tube lines are better than others, but the conditions in terms of overcrowding on any given train at rush hour in the morning or evening is crazy. Let's not even get in to the cost for the privilege of travelling in those conditions.The new air conditioned trains are a good step forward to combat some of those issues (like the heat) but they aren't even on every line.

The amount of disruption caused last year due to strikes on the underground was crazy. If you mix that in with how bad / late and on strike Southern railways are, you just have a mess of a transport system.

I'm not against strikes for safety or legitimate reasons but the amount of strikes and the breadth of reasons (not all of which i agree with) means its the average commuter that pays the price with extortionist ticket prices, bad service, wasted time and terrible commutes.
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The tube prices are amazingly cheap compared to any other option in London.

And overcrowding isn't THAT bad, and I say that as someone who was changing through Euston AND Victoria at rush hour for years. Go take a look at Tokyo or Moscow for some real brutal crowding.
 
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