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Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, new teaser trailer

klosos

klosos

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i am going to watch this for sure, are my hopes high Nope. Amazon as already showed us with the Wheel of Time travesty they don't care. They just wanted the recognised brand with an already massive fan base

As far as i am concerned this is no more or no less really expensive fan fiction. I hope the Tolkien estate made lots and lots of money from this because in the long term this will just hurt there brand.

Personally i am more interested in the War of the Rohirrim which comes out hopefully 2024
 
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jason10mm

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Kssio_Aug said:
I don't have a Twitter account so I don't follow the trends there. But it looks to me that there might have a strong campaign to see this show flopping, and said campaign has already reached the general audience.
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Like many things on the internet, there are diverse groups that come together for a singular purpose that otherwise would probably rarely associate.

I feel like there are Lore purists, folks that just want more Jackson-style aesthetic in their LOTR, and folks that just love to see giant massive media companies fail all coming together and getting amplified on social media.

The real question is how does Amazon define success? Subscriber gain? Foreign licensing or physical media sales? How does a streaming service even BEGIN to account for a BILLION dollar project, given that its already a quarter bill in the hole just for the license?

I feel like this whole project is actually a giant tax shelter where Amazon can dump millions of dollars of expenses for any and everything, the actual output quality is like 3rd or 4th on the priority list at best.
 
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pramod

pramod

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What I don't understand why (and which I think is a big mistake), is making a well known character like Galadriel one of the main, or the main character. Because we all know she can't die, so there's zero suspense no matter what they do with her.
 
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ManaByte

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jason10mm said:
folks that just want more Jackson-style aesthetic in their LOTR
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This series is using the Jackson designs, although it's set thousands of years before those movies so the Orcs here look closer to Elves because they're younger. They literally showed the Weta Balrog in the latest trailer. That's the whole reason New Line is co-producing the show; so they can use the movie designs.
 
ManaByte

ManaByte

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pramod said:
What I don't understand why (and which I think is a big mistake), is making a well known character like Galadriel one of the main, or the main character. Because we all know she can't die, so there's zero suspense no matter what they do with her.
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Galadriel, Elrond, Gil-Galad, Elendil, and Isildur are the main characters aside from King Durin and Prince Durin. Gil-Galad and Elendil both die at the end of the series, and Isildur not long after them.
 
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Kimahri

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ManaByte said:
Galadriel, Elrond, Gil-Galad, Elendil, and Isildur are the main characters aside from King Durin and Prince Durin. Gil-Galad and Elendil both die at the end of the series, and Isildur not long after them.
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I think of all the casting Elrond rubs me the worst. He looks nothing like the regal character he's supposed to be. And that hair doesn't help. Pity the original actor for the show left, he at the very least had a passing resemblance to a young Hugo Weaving.
 
Oberstein

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The dislike ratio is insane.

Actually, the trailer itself isn't that bad, but everything I've heard about the production has me worried more than anything.
It sounds like the actors were hired as a Netflix production, I fear the worst about the storylines. I'll watch...the first few episodes at least.
 
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Ulysses 31

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Oberstein said:
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The dislike ratio is insane.

Actually, the trailer itself isn't that bad, but everything I've heard about the production has me worried more than anything.
It sounds like the actors were hired as a Netflix production, I fear the worst about the storylines. I'll watch...the first few episodes at least.
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The actors are running their mouths with things like women finally getting agency and important representation, modern world reflected and admitting they're activists, yadayada.

 
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jason10mm

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Ulysses 31 said:
The actors are running their mouths with things like women finally getting agency and important representation, modern world reflected and admitting they're activists, yadayada.

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See, that mock up with the beard on the dwarf lady shows where RoP went wrong. They gave that actress the bulbous nose so we would know she is a dwarf, but instead they should have worked up a very feminine style of beard (i.e. not some sort of big bushy thing, but more of an old type "Bearded lady" look without the vaudeville/burlesque stylings). It's tough to look for this stuff now that the internet is flooded with transwomen but there are legit ways they could honor the lore but not make the women look ridiculous.

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Maybe just a tuft at the chin for the younger dwarfettes?
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Though I seem to recall dwarves kept their women deep in their mountains for protection so I hope we don't see many out and about...who am I kidding I'm sure 80% of a dwarven embassy company will be women in this show.
 
DeafTourette

DeafTourette

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https://www.gamesradar.com/lord-of-the-rings-of-power-politics-showrunners-tolkien/?fwa

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"This was one of Tolkien's debate points with C.S. Lewis, his friend and colleague," co-showrunner Patrick McKay tells Total Film in the new issue(opens in new tab) of the magazine, which features Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on the cover. "It was very important that what he was creating was not an allegory. He was not commenting on historical events of his time or another time. He was not trying to transmit a message that spoke to contemporary politics. He wanted to create a mythos that was timeless, and would be applicable – that was his word, 'applicable' – the applicability across times.

"Every single choice we’ve made at every turn of making this show has been to be faithful to that aspiration, because that’s what we want as viewers. We don’t want to adapt the material in a way that might feel dated. We aspire to being timeless. That’s why these books still speak to people so much, because so much of what’s in them has not aged a day. And we aspire to do the same thing. And I think we feel that once people see the show, and see what the stories and characters and worlds are in context, they’ll feel the same way."
 
FunkMiller

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DeafTourette said:
https://www.gamesradar.com/lord-of-the-rings-of-power-politics-showrunners-tolkien/?fwa

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"This was one of Tolkien's debate points with C.S. Lewis, his friend and colleague," co-showrunner Patrick McKay tells Total Film in the new issue(opens in new tab) of the magazine, which features Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power on the cover. "It was very important that what he was creating was not an allegory. He was not commenting on historical events of his time or another time. He was not trying to transmit a message that spoke to contemporary politics. He wanted to create a mythos that was timeless, and would be applicable – that was his word, 'applicable' – the applicability across times.

"Every single choice we’ve made at every turn of making this show has been to be faithful to that aspiration, because that’s what we want as viewers. We don’t want to adapt the material in a way that might feel dated. We aspire to being timeless. That’s why these books still speak to people so much, because so much of what’s in them has not aged a day. And we aspire to do the same thing. And I think we feel that once people see the show, and see what the stories and characters and worlds are in context, they’ll feel the same way."
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I am currently keeping an open mind until I see the show, and very much hope that no story telling or character decisions have been made purely to suit a political agenda… which is clearly the way Tolkien would have wanted it.

The signs do not currently look all that promising that this will be the case, though.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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The Lord Of The Rings: The Rings Of Power Actors Confirm Show Aims To Erase Tolkien's Work For The Sake Of Modernity

The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power actors completely stripped away any kind of façade that might have been built for the Prime Video series that it would be faithful to Tolkien's literary work. Instead they made it abundantly clear that the show is dedicated to modernity in spite of...
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I want to believe that Amazon is motivated by making money and won't spend $1 billion on an extended political campaign for the Democratic Party and pretend it's an adaptation of one of the world's most beloved fantasy stories. But then I remember that Disney literally made Lightyear just so 2 people of the same gender could kiss on a movie screen and then I understand that nothing is more important to Hollywood than wokeness, not even making money.
 
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DeafTourette

DeafTourette

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Unknown Soldier said:
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I want to believe that Amazon is motivated by making money and won't spend $1 billion on an extended political campaign for the Democratic Party and pretend it's an adaptation of one of the world's most beloved fantasy stories. But then I remember that Disney literally made Lightyear just so 2 people of the same gender could kiss on a movie screen and then I understand that nothing is more important to Hollywood than wokeness, not even making money.
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Wait... Hold up...

They wrote a script, did months of grueling animation, hired a director, did story boarding... All so there could be a lesbian kiss in the background?!?!?

Are you ok? You might have drank the wrong Kool Aid.
 
ManaByte

ManaByte

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IDKFA said:
You think Disney made Lightyear just to show two people of the same gender kissing?!?!

Hope you have receipts for those extraordinary claims.
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Look at the site he's quoting. They don't need receipts. All they need is one random person on YouTube to say that's what happened, then that site will make a huge SEO-friendly world-salad clickbait outrage article about the claims, and since it was written down on the Internet it is now FACT.
 
Oberstein

Oberstein

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It would have been fine without the last sentence. Jackson's Hobbit trilogy sucks. He lost all his talent since the first trilogy.
 
ManaByte

ManaByte

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Oberstein said:
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It would have been fine without the last sentence. Jackson's Hobbit trilogy sucks. He lost all his talent since the first trilogy.
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That's like the people demanding George Lucas come back and remake the Sequel Trilogy without realizing that George's Episode VII was the same as The Last Jedi.
 
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jason10mm

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The idea that Luke might F up his own Hedi academy and become a hermit isn't inherently a bad one, after all Yoda and Ben kenobi end up that was as well. But Luke is a joke in TLJ and doesnt really get a satisfying closure and seems to exist just to taunt OT fans, this is NOT what I'd expect of Lucas. So while they may have been miming ideas from.some Lucas script, I can't image be the end result was very similar at all.
 
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jason10mm

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Unknown Soldier said:
I doubt that. He's old and he was tired of it. Disney offered him a lot of money. I bet he doesn't even think about Star Wars anymore.
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Maybe he secretly funds the Galaxy's Edge guys (Anspach and Cole) doing aggressive military star wars-adjacent stuff :p

Some of the ideas in that series, if you stripped out all the military stuff, seems very lucas-esque.
 
ManaByte

ManaByte

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jason10mm said:
But Luke is a joke in TLJ and doesnt really get a satisfying closure and seems to exist just to taunt OT fans, this is NOT what I'd expect of Lucas. So while they may have been miming ideas from.some Lucas script, I can't image be the end result was very similar at all.
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You're right it was worse. Not only did Luke die, the whole trilogy was about Midichlorians.

“Everybody hated it in ‘Phantom Menace’ [when] we started talking about midi-chlorians.” In terms of his storytelling, Lucas regarded individuals as “vehicles for the Whills to travel around in…And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.”
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“[The next three ‘Star Wars’ films] were going to get into a microbiotic world,” he told Cameron. “There’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.”
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DragoonKain

DragoonKain

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I’ll watch it but I’m not expecting much. Then again I’m not a purist. But I wasn’t for Wheel of Time either, I didn’t know anything about it in fact, but I thought the show was not good. Decent production values but the actors were atrocious sans a few of them.
 
sol_bad

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Ulysses 31 said:
Did it also have a slow space chase and an anti-capitalist side quest? :messenger_winking_tongue:
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Hey, we have no idea how long the Star Destroyer chased the Tantive IV prior to the movie starting.
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bloodydrake said:
I think the Drinker does a better job then just about everyone in expressing frustrations with state of this production
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Of course he does, it's his money maker and he has perfected his outrage for the money givers.
 
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Kimahri

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Shiiiet...

Just saw a QnA grom SDCC with Colbert and...

Yeah, I'm not even sure I'm gonna watch the first episode now. Hearing it from the horse's mouth doesn't just reinforce my feeling this is just fan fiction, it pretty much confirms it.

Their mantra seems to be "we can do whatever we want as long as Tolkien didn't specifically state otherwise".

And lol at Colbert trying to sound optimistic. He sounds about as excited for this show as someone with explosive diarrhea is about going to the toilet.
 
IDKFA

IDKFA

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iPaul93 said:
So whitewashing is not ok, but apparently blackwashing is totally fine.I'll skip this one or find other ways to watch it ;wink;.
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I don't think blackwashing is a thing?

Anyway, Amazon had little choice. If you want to make a show that has true global reach then you need to make it as diverse as possible, regardless if this goes against the cannon or not. Times have changed and no studio is going to make a movie/TV show today that has a majority white cast.
 
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