LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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criesofthepast said:
Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.
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"Christian Shephard" being brought to a Church. She was laughing at the extreme amount of irony in that scenario.
 
criesofthepast said:
Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.
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I thought she was laughing at his ridiculous name. :lol
 
criesofthepast said:
Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.
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Look at the literal meaning of his name.
 
criesofthepast said:
Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.
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Because his name is sort of ridiculous.
 
After a night of sleep and contemplation, I really appreciate this finale. I wanted to love it last night, but I couldn't reconcile the ending with some of the questions I still had. Now that I think all my questions have been answered, I can truly say that this was a fantastic way to end the series. I'm not sure if a TV series will ever come around again in my lifetime. Inspired writing, casting, direction...you name it. Especially the scoring!

I think I miss it already.
 
Jack was just too Boss ( a.k.a Locke) last night.

Man, just what the hell did we watch guys? I mean seriously, how can something be THIS good?
 
StoOgE said:
The whispers didn't make sense in the context of the show. Go back and listen for the whispers.. the dead people explenation was a hack job that doesn't fit with when they showed up.

And again, I didn't like the ending because

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt. 2) The point of the island (what was the light.. why should I care about the light, why should I care if the smoke monster wins). I guess some people said the world would be bad.. but there was no weight to it 3) Sharks (ok, I guess the sharks aren't that important.. but still.. where did they go?) 4) What was the sickness exactly?

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

4) Incomplete character arcs. Outside of Jack, no one got a complete character arc from the story.. it just ended.. and then we got a cast reunion in a church. MiB vs Jacob being ambiguous was half the point of the season and they just dropped that story.

I could go on, but I digress.

This is pretty much what happened.
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All that is unimportant when you have everyone hugging in a magical church, what a moving moment.

Sarcasm aside, great points StoOgE, I really agree with your argumentation. I can live with unfinished character arcs and Deus Ex Machina, I expected that, but I hated how they ignored the island. We know what happens, we have notions of how the island work but they pass on explaining the point of all that, that's what makes this finale a huge failure for me.
 
criesofthepast said:
Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.
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You don't get it? Ugh...no wonder they brought this up(although it was obvious since the beginning). Christian(ity) is a religion and a shepherd is a leader who brings people to something...in this case...Christiainty.
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21400606&postcount=4040

Lonestar said:
Really, there's ALOT of people that haven't been "awakened"

Desmond-Complete GodHood (Drowning/NotPenisBoat/HandShakeofDoom)
Charlie-Probably alot (Mile High Choking)
Daniel-Alot (ChocoScarlet)
Hurley-Full On (Dimension Shattering Kiss)
Libby-Some (Well, she's crazyish)
Sun-a little bit (Near Death, scared of Locke)
Eloise-Maybe Alot, Maybe All (Crazy Haired Ladyness)
Bernard-Maybe Some (Wierd Ass Dentist Talk)

Those are all I can think of.

Jack's feeling some hints, mainly the coincedence of all the people on Flight 815. Which Locke and Claire are now feeling a little bit of, from conversations with him.

Soooo many people that I don't have a clue.

Wondering if awakening has to tie into some of their Central Themes from the Real World*

Jin and Sun...it's either got to be drowning, or Baby
Kate...Jack, or Aaron
Sawyer...think we could very well know the answer to this already. It's my guess, though.
Locke...I don't know. I'll Spoiler it, because while Typing it, it feels like it really works. But it's not a real spoiler, because I have no real clue.
I want to say him taking a step. Or maybe a toe wiggling. That would be my guess. After waking up from the surgery he's agreed to, Jack does one of those "do you feel this" tests, and BOOM, Toe Wiggling. Flashes to The Moment from Walkabout. CUE THE MUSIC BABY. That feels so good, it's gotta be what happens./spoiler]
Sayid...Well, he seen Nadia. About the only positive thing from the Island I can remember, is someone that I believe is rumoured to show up. My guess is that person.
Claire...Probably Aaron, or perhaps Charlie. Can they friggen have a scene together for once! And have it mean something!
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Just reposting what I said, pleased to see how close I was, at least on what would "awaken" the people.

Though, the whole Afterlife thing, I didn't think of.
 
StoOgE said:
But why did Desmond flash off and on the plane? Why was the island burried in X-timeline?

They served no purpose other than cheap parlour tricks to keep the audience guessing as to what was going on/think something more important was at stake.
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The Losties created the X timeline, and as explained through the Jughead sequence, they got exactly what they wanted.
 
LCfiner said:
I’ve been pretty negative about the last ten minutes of the show as I hated the whole purgatory angle, but I did like Jack’s death. that segment made those final minutes bearable for me.

I liked how he saw the plane flying away and had some peace before dying. And, yeah, I liked the shot of the closing eye as a fitting end to the show. it was a predictable shot but, I think, well earned.


I’m still an alt timeline hater. :|
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I'm totally with you on that. That said, I really enjoyed the finale as an experience. I always gave more weight to what happened on the island this season, and didn't get very invested in the flashes, since we didn't really know whether those people were the "real" characters we'd been with for the previous five seasons.
 
Acosta said:
All that is unimportant when you have everyone hugging in a magical church, what a moving moment.

Sarcasm aside, great points StoOgE, I really agree with your argumentation. I can live with unfinished character arcs and Deus Ex Machina, I expected that, but I hated how they ignored the island. We know what happens, we have notions of how the island work but they pass on explaining the point of all that, that's what makes this finale a huge failure for me.
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What did you want explained about the island? Do you want to know where it existed on Pangaea?

There's nothing left to explain. The island possess a huge pocket of electromagnetic energy. Electromagnetic energy is unstable and reacts with the island/its inhabitants and produces mysterious, sometimes miraculous effects. End of mystery. Even Smokey in fucking 50 AD was able to figure this out :lol
 
StoOgE said:
But why did Desmond flash off and on the plane? Why was the island burried in X-timeline?

They served no purpose other than cheap parlour tricks to keep the audience guessing as to what was going on/think something more important was at stake.
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He never flashed on and off the plane. He just moved to another seat/lavatory.
 
HIVEMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND

My favorite blanket term being thrown around for people who enjoyed the ending
 
Alucard said:
Desmond's role takes on a whole new layer of questioning. It would seem he was able to not only travel through time, but also through life and death. This was confirmed when he prophesized to Jack that everything would be okay and that none of what Jack and Locke did in the cave actually mattered. Unless he has some form of "he can see so far into the future, he can even see PAST DEATH" powers.
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Imo, I think this tells us more about how powerful electromagnetism in regards to time travel and alternate realities. Desmond "just" has the ability to not get killed by massive amounts of it.
 
I absolutely loved the ending, but for what it's worth, this site has a good list of the unanswered questions/hypocrisies:

http://theoriesonlost.blogspot.com/2010/05/annoying-facts-by-sawya.html

There are even a few that really, just completely clash with the given explanations:

2. Christian being off the Island once dead: we have been said that he was the MIB, and we also have been said that MIB can't leave the Island.
- Evidence: MIB tries hardly to leave the Island in season 6 by killing the candidates or destroying the Island.
- Annoying fact: we've seen Christian Shepard (once dead) off the Island, talking to Jack and talking to Michael.
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Any thoughts on this?
 
criesofthepast said:
I hope we get the S6 soundtrack by the fall. I need to complete my collection.
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For sure. Giacc's best season since S1. I will listen to it, cry, and masturbate all at once.
 
I dunno, I really think they could have just focused on the island mysteries and fleshing out the storyline and relationships of the characters on the ground of the island, and not dealing with LA X at all. It seemed a little masturbatory with some obvious allegories about the television show itself, and people needing to "let go" of it.

The more I start to think about it, the more I wish they hadn't bothered with LA X at all if they were just going to use it as a sappy convenient narrative device to provide fan service. They could have ended with Jack dying, but with the viewers understanding what he actually died for, why he had to do what he did, and then still left us wondering how the rest of the characters went on to live their lives.
 
Solo said:
HIVEMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND

My favorite blanket term being thrown around for people who enjoyed the ending
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Youre the hivemind and we are not real fans.

Sounds like a deal.
 
As for "why was the island buried" questions...wasn't that whole "timeline" just an area (purgatory, whatever) the Losties created in order to find each other and let go? If they created it themselves, I would think they'd want the island to not exist.
 
Only one thing remained unresolved for me - when was the X reality created by them? Boone and Shannon got in, and they died very early on in the real world. When would our cast have had the power to create the new holding pen?
 
I really don't understand the complaints about the flash sideways. It just seemed like eveyone didn't like it and now all of the sudden some of these people seem to care so much that now they're not pleased with the way it was handled. The writers always said it was something fun for the fans. It was a means to an end.

Anyhow, if there's one thing I would have liked for them to explain is how the smoke monster was able to appear off the island to Jack and Hurley back in season 5.

Btw, some of you dudes in this thread can be generally defensive about the show. Now, I think there are people who genuinely didn't like the ending, but it's also quite obvious that some people are just being asses and trying to agitate you so don't get all bent out of shape.
 
thekad said:
Just took a quick look in the finale thread for Season 1. Here's the second reply.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48272



Yeah, no one cares about the characters. Is Heroes on?
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You can keep wildly exaggerating my points, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.

You can pick a few specific posts out, but the majority of that thread is mythology chatter.

And why do people keep bringing up Heroes? I hated that show even during it's first season, and isn't the reason it's despised because it fucked up it's mythology so badly?
 
HixxSAFC said:
Loved it.

Probably would've been even better if my other favourite program hadn't just ended very similarly.
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:lol

I almost think we need to get a special thread going to do a compare and contrast. I have no idea what to call the thread without spoiling either finale.
 
It boggles my mind why anyone would rather the finale have focused on an ancient statue being erected or explaining why a character who hasn't been on the show in years is special. The island is a profoundly unique & special place, that gave these characters a chance second chance at everything & reunite with each other. The beauty of that would be lost if they gave some answer for it all. Midichlorian-esque answers are never a good thing.
 
Alucard said:
I dunno, I really think they could have just focused on the island mysteries and fleshing out the storyline and relationships of the characters on the ground of the island, and not dealing with LA X at all. It seemed a little masturbatory with some obvious allegories about the television show itself, and people needing to "let go" of it.

The more I start to think about it, the more I wish they hadn't bothered with LA X at all if they were just going to use it as a sappy convenient narrative device to provide fan service. They could have ended with Jack dying, but with the viewers understanding what he actually died for, why he had to do what he did, and then still left us wondering how the rest of the characters went on to live their lives.
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woodchuck said:
The more I think about it, the more I hate the LA X timeline. It only served as fan service, to reunite old characters, and to give them a happy ending.

I could really have done without it. I LOVED everything that happened on-island this season. Now I wish they ditched the flash-sideways and just focused on-island and fleshed out all the mysteries and stuff. There was still a ton of character stuff that happened on-island too.
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high five
 
DoctorWho said:
:lol

I almost think we need to get a special thread going to do a compare and contrast. I have no idea what to call the thread without spoiling either finale.
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At least we can all agree that this was a better ending than Davies gave the 10th doctor.
 
mrmyth said:
Only one thing remained unresolved for me - when was the X reality created by them? Boone and Shannon got in, and they died very early on in the real world. When would our cast have had the power to create the new holding pen?
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it always existed. Time doesn't exist...I think Christian made that clear at the end.
 
itsinmyveins said:
So, you enjoyed the show and the ending I take it? :)
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Yeah, I'm surprised. It's basically what Solo claimed he'd hate a couple of days ago. The sideways was the Lost epilogue, it just wasn't even real. If anything, I'd expect him to hate it even more.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
As for "why was the island buried" questions...wasn't that whole "timeline" just an area (purgatory, whatever) the Losties created in order to find each other and let go? If they created it themselves, I would think they'd want the island to not exist.
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They created it by detonating jughead. The Island was real, Ben and his father even lived there for a time in the flashsideways. But this time-line wasn't about the island, it wasn't influencing their lives, they were as was the connection they had with each other.
 
mrmyth said:
Only one thing remained unresolved for me - when was the X reality created by them? Boone and Shannon got in, and they died very early on in the real world. When would our cast have had the power to create the new holding pen?
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The way I saw it is that basically time doesn't exist anymore after death, so it didn't matter when they died.
 
Nameless said:
-How the fuck was Walt important? He's appeared on the show 2-3 times since the end of the first season. How have the writers giving us a bunch of useless exposition on him obstructed your understanding of anything that you've seen.

-Sharks were brought to the Island by dharma. Hence the Dharma logo on that one shark's tail. Also if you noticed in season 3 while Kate & Sawyer were being held in Polar bear cages, jack was being held in a shark tank.

-How was MIB/Jacob inconclusive? There was nothing inconclusive about it.

-They said all along they wouldn't say implicitly what the island was.It's your fault for not believing them that you're disappointed.

you seemed confused about alot of this shit, dude.
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-Walt's importance is not the point, if they introduce it they have to do something useful with all or it´s a script faliure, so what's the point?

-We know how Sharks arrived, but again what's the point?

-Are you serious? Just tell me why MiB coulnd't go to the other side, or what is the point of defending a cave that can not be found, what Jacob's mother was doing there before there was any MiB? If she didn't want people corrupting the island she could have killed everyone from the beginning.

-If writers say "We don't know how to do satisfying finale with all the shit we have used all these years, fuck off" in advance, don't expect we don't call out them when they deliver.
 
Spire said:
You can keep wildly exaggerating my points, but I don't think you're fooling anybody.

You can pick a few specific posts out, but the majority of that thread is mythology chatter.

And why do people keep bringing up Heroes? I hated that show even during it's first season, and isn't the reason it's despised because it fucked up it's mythology so badly?
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How am I exaggerating your points? You keep saying that Lost isn't a show about the characters, yet time and time again we begin and end with discussion about these characters and their stories over the past six years. Heroes failed because they couldn't create characters that audiences cared about.

And I've read your version of Lost. That's why Heroes keeps getting brought up.
 
Nameless said:
They created it by detonating jughead. The Island was real, Ben and his father even lived there for a time in the flashsideways. But this time-line wasn't about the island, it wasn't influencing their lives, they were as was the connection they had with each other.
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If that was the case, then you'd think only people there would be those who were around at the time of the explosion.
 
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