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[Saren is Bad]

As was already said, Desmond was the only person who could unplug it. Didn't notice those skeletons in the cave?

Jack was dying and had nothing to go back to. Desmond was almost killed unplugging it and could barely walk, and had a wife and kid. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?!?

This. FUCKING THIS. Goddamn people you all watch this show for 6 years and can't figure out the easiest shit?

 

[jvalioli]

So does unplugging a vending machine really work?

 

[ostrichKing]

What...please tell me, was the purpose of Sun and Jin not being married in the alt timeline?

 

[KevinCow]

I think Birdie's point of "You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX” isn't really true. I think it's more that, they all had to realized that the plane crashing wasn't what was wrong with their lives.

He got the flash when Desmond was beating him up.

He got a flash, but not the flash. Like how Jack got a bit of a flash when he operated on Locke, then a bit more of a flash with Kate, but didn't get the full flash and completely remember until the coffin.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Did anyone laugh when Sayid says to Hurley:

"You're insane"

:lol Its just the way he says it

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Man, this thread is shitty. Throw it down the light cave.

In other news, anyone else enjoy the fact that Desmond had to "lift it up."

When Jack went down the cave, I was 10,000% certain that Desmond would tell Jack that "he had to lift it up". It, being the plug of course.

 

[RichardAM]

They were comedic in nature, which was disappointing, because I was actually hoping for serious alternate endings.

I will also use this opportunity again to say that I think Kimmel is a terrible interviewer, and that he asks useless questions with regards to the cast.

Kimmel is a terrible everything.

 

[Alucard]

P.S. Anyone else feel that the writers made a conscious choice to make the finale a big wink to the fans, by trying to equate the characters' journies to the journey the show has taken people on for the past six seasons?

"This is a place you created for each other."
"You created it with the people who have meant the most to you."
"It's time to let go."

There was some knocking on the fourth wall in that scene in particular.

 

[Dead]

Man, this thread is shitty. Throw it down the light cave.

In other news, anyone else enjoy the fact that Desmond had to "lift it up."

Jack had to lift it up as well

Desmond told Jack "you have to lift it up" so it fit better for that

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I think Birdie's point of "You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX” isn't really true. I think it's more that, they all had to realized that the plane crashing wasn't what was wrong with their lives.

Oh dang, yeah. You're absolutely right. You still have the same issues, but you don't have all the ill stuff you got to do on the island.

 

[thekad]

What...please tell me, was the purpose of Sun and Jin not being married in the alt timeline?

What do you think the purpose was?

KevinCow: I think you're missing Ben's point. Their experiences on the island were necessary. It all mattered, so to speak.

 

[Mifune]

Do you actually believe this?

Some guys here are high on the melodramatic crap.

I don't know if I believe it, but that's what the ultimate meaning of the show was to me. And it moved me.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

http://jackssupermanpunch.com/

 

[KevinCow]

7000 posts later and someone finally asks the all-important question.

We were too busy talking about how great Juliet's tits were in her dress.

 

[Plywood]

So does unplugging a vending machine really work?

We won't know until the DVD/Bluray comes out.

L O S T

 

[cyclonekruse]

P.S. Anyone else feel that the writers made a conscious choice to make the finale a big wink to the fans, by trying to equate the characters' journies to the journey the show has taken people on for the past six seasons?

"This is a place you created for each other."
"You created it with the people who have meant the most to you."
"It's time to let go."

There was some knocking on the fourth wall in that scene in particular.

I mentioned that it felt like a nod to the viewers in a previous post.

 

[smokeymicpot]

Just finished watching it. I was crying like a little girl.

 

[neoism]

30 pages to read :lol :lol :lol

 

[Nafai1123]

Supernatural isn't in any way as good as Lost. And I fucking adore Supernatural.

Six Feet Under finale >>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernatural season finale > Lost finale

Anyone think that maybe the "transferring" of power from Jacob to Jack to Hurley could be complete bullshit? I mean, Jack doesn't actually use any powers, nor does he heal after the cork is put back in (even if he gave power to Hurley, saying "now you're like me" implies that he should still have powers). Then there's the fact that Hurley shows up in the end with the rest of 815, which shows that either he isn't immortal, or he was killed by someone on the island, in which case the island is still in danger of being destroyed.

I can understand why Jacob had powers (born on the island, pure in heart/spirit) but I think the whole "successor" thing was more about leaving a protector behind rather than actually bestowing powers upon them.

 

[VistraNorrez]

So what sense does Jack's son even make? There was a whole episode revolving around him... And now he's just not real?

I don't believe in the purgatory angle. X was the last level of rebirth for our Losties (think Buddism). It's a legitimate reality. There was character development that was necessary for them to let go. So I do believe Jack had that kid he wasn't just some figment of imagination.

Thinking about the finale. It's amazing how much they referenced the whole series in that last episode. The plug was like Desmond's failsafe key. The hatch reference with Flocke and Jack looking down into the heart of the island. Sawyer and Kate's little exchange about following. Kate and jack's exchange about stitching up and counting to 5. I'm sure there are so many more too.

It all really helped for the feeling of finality.

And for the record it was my favorite episode too.

I also like how at the end it wasn't another Jacob and Smokey antagonistic relationship. Still 2 people just now working together.

 

[Linkhero1]

Wow now that I think about it even more...the finale was amazingly well done and I find myself more satisfied with it than before. It just takes time for it to sink in. I'm going to miss the show. I'm going to miss the characters. I'm going to miss BOSS.

 

[Plywood]

There was some knocking on the fourth wall in that scene in particular.

Also when Eloise said "Every question I answer, will just lead to another question." I felt was a big F-U to to the fan's still wondering about Hurleys bird and shit like that. :lol

 

[Sadist]

We were too busy talking about how great Juliet's tits were in her dress.

It took everyone by surprise. :lol

 

[MMaRsu]

They did. They were experiencing it as if it were a real world.

I understand that, but LAX didn't show what would have happened if the plane didn't crash.

 

[Alucard]

I mentioned that it felt like a nod to the viewers in a previous post.

*fist bump*

So uhh...how did Jack end up in that river after plugging the hole up again? Was it...magic?

 

[LakeEarth]

How X-Timeline characters remembered their old lives:
Jin and Sun - seeing their child
Locke - being able to walk again
Hurley - his love for Libby
Jack - seeing his fathers coffin
Claire - seeing Aaron for the first time
Kate - staring into Claire's vagina

 

[Dead]

I don't believe in the purgatory angle. X was the last level of rebirth for our Losties (think Buddism). It's a legitimate reality. There was character development that was necessary for them to let go. So I do believe Jack had that kid he wasn't just some figment of imagination.

Thinking about the finale. It's amazing how much they referenced the whole series in that last episode. The plug was like Desmond's failsafe key. The hatch reference with Flocke and Jack looking down into the heart of the island. Sawyer and Kate's little exchange about following. Kate and jack's exchange about stitching up and counting to 5. I'm sure there are so many more too.

It all really helped for the feeling of finality.

And for the record it was my favorite episode too.

Thats definitely a valid interpretation. The multi religion church was a nice touch.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I understand that, but LAX didn't show what would have happened if the plane didn't crash.

How didn't it?

 

[Mifune]

And now Desmond's behavior in this last season makes complete sense. He wasn't trying to save the world or anything. He was trying to share this incredible gift he'd been given with everyone else, by getting them to let go.

 

[LCfiner]

They did. They were experiencing it as if it were a real world.

they were experiencing it as though it were a real world with the ONE BIG EXCEPTION.

there was no evil let loose upon the world with the destruction of the Island.

If we assume that the sacrifice of Locke and Jack and all others who died protecting the Island in the real world means anything, then the Alt timeline cannot be even a rough approximation of the real world with a sunken island as there is no supernatural evil running rampant within this timeline.

That, alone, makes the alt timeline almost totally worthless as anything other than a way for ghosts to come to grips with their lives.


And, full disclosure, I admit I kept waiting to see what would be the dark side of this seemingly happy timeline. Damon hinted at this in an interview; that the destruction of the island was a selfish act and would have ramifications beyond its affect on the 815 passengers…

but nothing. it was just a place for these same myopic people to find themselves before moving on.

that’s my biggest disappointment. I thought there was a lot of potential for this alt timeline to be a real place with a smokey on the loose (even if it’s not immediately apparent) and they never did anything with that, despite that swooping underwater shot in LA X.

 

[Alucard]

Also when Eloise said "Every question I answer, will just lead to another question." I felt was a big F-U to to the fan's still wondering about Hurleys bird and shit like that. :lol

Yeah, by that point we all should have known that we weren't getting shit on the origin of the island.

 

[infinityBCRT]

I just noticed the parallels between pushing the button (which Desmond does most of the time) in the hatch and the Jack (not pushing does nothing) vs. Locke (not pushing ends the world) argument and unplugging the cork (which Des has to do) in the cave of light (which is sort of a hatch, to the point where they even give similar imagery) and the Locke (uncorking does nothing) vs. Jack (uncorking destroys the world) argument.

Which makes me think that perhaps unplugging the cork was required to discharge a large build up of electromagnetic energy over a long period of time, but the cork also had to be plugged back in to stabilize everything. Maybe if they left the cork plugged the world would have ended anyway due to a big explosion. They HAD to uncork and then cork it again.

 

[Alucard]

I don't believe in the purgatory angle. X was the last level of rebirth for our Losties (think Buddism). It's a legitimate reality. There was character development that was necessary for them to let go. So I do believe Jack had that kid he wasn't just some figment of imagination.

Thinking about the finale. It's amazing how much they referenced the whole series in that last episode. The plug was like Desmond's failsafe key. The hatch reference with Flocke and Jack looking down into the heart of the island. Sawyer and Kate's little exchange about following. Kate and jack's exchange about stitching up and counting to 5. I'm sure there are so many more too.

It all really helped for the feeling of finality.

And for the record it was my favorite episode too.

I also like how at the end it wasn't another Jacob and Smokey antagonistic relationship. Still 2 people just now working together.

Okay, wiseguy, so can someone actually die in this alternate reality? What happens then? Do you go down a level in the nirvana totem pole?

 

[VALIS]

Ultimately LOST abandoned its genre trappings to reach for genuine art. And I think it succeeded.

You just said that about a TV show that had a major plot device concerning a giant cork that plugs up evil in an island.

...And now is the part where you tell me that's not important, that the true importance was the characters and their personal redemptions, and all the sloppy parts of Lost don't count.

 

[Sadist]

Oh man I can't bear to watch the finale again: the scene with Vincent will make me bawl for sure :'(

 

[brandonh83]

HOLY SHIT

The shot of Jack and MIB looking down at the light SAME FUCKING SHOT AT THE END OF S1

OMG OMG

 

[Discotheque]

Why was Sayid with Shannon again? Wouldn't it have made sense if they gave him Nadia?

 

[MMaRsu]

How didn't it?

Because it wasn't the real world? It was purgatory? These interactions, memory's and placements of people in purgatory weren't how it would have gone in the real world had 815 not crashed! Sun/Jin not married, Nadia married with Sayid's brother..

Know what I'm saying? Or are we talking past eachother .

 

[kinoki]

I keep going back to this. Perhaps the flash-sideways are just the island's way of saying "Thank you for supporting me." It's not about personal nirvana or something, in the end they are absorbed by the light of the island. Just something to make everyone who kept it safe feel their most happy place one last time.

 

[Lonestar]

Okay, wiseguy, so can someone actually die in this alternate reality? What happens then? Do you go down a level in the nirvana totem pole?

Let's go ask Keamy and Patchy.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

HOLY SHIT

The shot of Jack and MIB looking down at the light SAME FUCKING SHOT AT THE END OF S1

OMG OMG

My inner (and outer) LOST nerd was waiting for Jack to wipe the sweat off his jaw with his forearm again. I might have died.

 

[thekad]

Damn, how perfect was it that Jack found it so hard to believe and needed multiple flashes to let go? Even Solo must have appreciated how that supposed defect in Jack's character came to the forefront after everything.

Holy shit Ben, I was waiting for that same thing :lol

 

[Jex]

Yeah, by that point we all should have known that we weren't getting shit on the origin of the island.

And if we were, it was going to be appalling and dumb, like the origin of Jacob/Dude and the explanation of 'whispers'.

 

[VistraNorrez]

they were experiencing it as though it were a real world with the ONE BIG EXCEPTION.

there was no evil let loose upon the world with the destruction of the Island.

If we assume that the sacrifice of Locke and Jack and all others who died protecting the Island in the real world means anything, then the Alt timeline cannot be even a rough approximation of the real world with a sunken island as there is no supernatural evil running rampant within this timeline.

That, alone, makes the alt timeline almost totally worthless as anything other than a way for ghosts to come to grips with their lives.


And, full disclosure, I admit I kept waiting to see what would be the dark side of this seemingly happy timeline. Damon hinted at this in an interview; that the destruction of the island was a selfish act and would have ramifications beyond its affect on the 815 passengers…

but nothing. it was just a place for these same myopic people to find themselves before moving on.

that’s my biggest disappointment. I thought there was a lot of potential for this alt timeline to be a real place with a smokey on the loose (even if it’s not immediately apparent) and they never did anything with that, despite that swooping underwater shot in LA X.

With my interpretation of it being the final level of their rebirth, there was no room for Smokey. In that world Smokey doesn't exist. It doesn't have to be same as the world we've been used to. This was shown by all the differences in their lives at this stage. Jack had a kid, Hurley has good luck, Sawyer's a cop, and so on.

 

[Blader]

So what're your thoughts on the episode? You asked for everyone else's.

I'm unsure :lol But I liked it, and I like it more and more every time I think about it. I'll definitely need to rewatch it.

Bender shot the fuck out of this episode. Jack's death, Christian opening the church doors, Jack/Locke fight, MIB's death, Jack laying in the pool and laughing as it fills with light and water...so many great fucking scenes.

And the revelation of flashsideways being a purgatory, as opposed to an alternate timeline, was absolutely not what I expected, but it also managed to redeem the sideways' presence throughout the whole season. The fact that they made the sideways into the happy ending epilogue without trivializing any of the island events is pretty great.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Because it wasn't the real world? It was purgatory? These interactions, memory's and placements of people in purgatory weren't how it would have gone in the real world had 815 not crashed! Sun/Jin not married, Nadia married with Sayid's brother..

Know what I'm saying? Or are we talking past eachother .

It was a manufactured reality specifically built around the conceit that the plane landed safely, and everything radiated out around from that.

 

[Madrin]

To get to that point. To fully take in what would have happened if the plane had never crashed.

If the plane had never crashed, Jack would have suddenly been the father of a teenage boy?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Holy shit Ben, I was waiting for that same thing :lol

I don't know why but that is like the most iconically LOST thing Jack's ever done.

:lol

 

[Anton Sugar]

So what sense does Jack's son even make? There was a whole episode revolving around him... And now he's just not real?

David=Jack
Jack=Christian

It was crucial to him understanding what it is like to be a parent, and understanding his own father by having an estranged son. Pretty important to his overall character development, don't you think?

 

[JPBrowncoat]

How X-Timeline characters remembered their old lives:
Jin and Sun - seeing their child
Locke - being able to walk again
Hurley - his love for Libby
Jack - seeing his fathers coffin
Claire - seeing Aaron for the first time
Kate - staring into Claire's vagina

A friend on facebook said Claire's vagina was Kate's constant. :lol