LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Jexhius said:
Kate is a dress and Juliet in a dress were the most important parts of finale, that's for sure.
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Yeah hehe,took 6 years to see her in a dress(Kate) :lol ...I was watching a rerun of Buffy the other day and I actually spotted her,she was in a crowd of school teens watching over a fight,we see her for about 10 seconds...
 
msdstc said:
I still don't get how Desmond can travel back and forth between the flash sideways... if nobodies dead yet, the flash sideways should simply not exist. That is if the theory that the sideways is where they all meet when they die stands true.
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He didn't travel back and forth.

Desmond getting fried by Widmore's EM generators was just a test to make sure that he could survive intense amounts of electromagnetism; he did, but it's still a near-death experience, which allowed him to see the flashsideways (like Juliet did, though she actually died).

In the sideways, when Desmond saw Charlie's hand press up against the glass, that began to awaken all the memories of his life.

There was no traveling back and forth. Both sides just became aware of the other side.
 
msdstc said:
I still don't get how Desmond can travel back and forth between the flash sideways... if nobodies dead yet, the flash sideways should simply not exist. That is if the theory that the sideways is where they all meet when they die stands true.
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As Christian explained, the flash sideways are in a realm outside of time. Desmond doesn't really travel back and forth, anyway - he merely gets a glimpse of it when exposed to Widmore's generator (call it a near-death experience).

The non-linear time nature of the flash sideways is what allows Charlie and Ana Lucia (among others) to visit Hurley much earlier in the show, but both already apparently island-enlightened.
 
msdstc said:
I still don't get how Desmond can travel back and forth between the flash sideways... if nobodies dead yet, the flash sideways should simply not exist. That is if the theory that the sideways is where they all meet when they die stands true.
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That's because Desmond wasn't traveling, he allready knew he was dead. The flash sideways is a place where time doesn't apply.
 
Solo said:
3 more nuggets that my brain shook out this afternoon:

- Kate, Sawyer, Claire and Hurley - those four plus Walt comprise the 5 living Losties of the original 14. Boone? Dead S1. Shannon? Dead S2. Charlie? Dead S3. Michael? Dead S4. Locke? Dead S5. Sayid? Dead S6. Sun? Dead S6. Jin? Dead S6. Jack? Dead S6.
- the last line of LOST belongs to John Locke: "we've been waiting for you"
- when Ben killed Jacob, MIB kicked him into the fire; when Kate killed MIB, Jack kicked him into the water
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How about rose or does she not count as she was on the peripheral?

Sorry but can someone try to clear one thing up?

Can our losties no longer stay in this almost idyllic purgatory now, when they move on can we assume they are still concious beings and can be together?

I felt bad for ben outside the church but I like the idea he is going to stay with alex and danielle.
 
PolishQ said:
In every response to the finale I've read, no one has made the connection of the bright light in the church to the bright light at the heart of the island. IMHO, that's the key to the whole thing. That's the answer to what the island is.

If you need it spelled out, the island is the very engine of life, death and rebirth for the entire planet. That's why it needs protecting, and that's why we all "go to hell" if anything happens to it.
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Wow. I really like that interpretation. :)
 
MMaRsu said:
I want a Redlettermedia review for this final :p
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But he only does reviews for bad things.....

Blader5489 said:
He didn't travel back and forth.

Desmond getting fried by Widmore's EM generators was just a test to make sure that he could survive intense amounts of electromagnetism; he did, but it's still a near-death experience, which allowed him to see the flashsideways (like Juliet did, though she actually died).

In the sideways, when Desmond saw Charlie's hand press up against the glass, that began to awaken all the memories of his life.

There was no traveling back and forth. Both sides just became aware of the other side.
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This guy got it.
 
duckroll said:
Are you sure that's the reason? I figure he's not ready to move on because he still has unresolved issues to take care of in this afterlife. He got forgiveness from Locke, but not from Danielle and Alex yet. He probably needs a lot more repentance before he can let himself go. Not betraying Alex again was probably just his first step in tying up loose ends.
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Yeah, my thought is that he doesn't feel like he has earned it yet.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Oh God, are people still going on about not being told in explicit detail how the magical island with electromagnetic properties was created? Do you really want to bring a God character in to the show?
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Who needs God when you could have alien spaceships. With a cork in it...

Mifune said:
Yeah, my thought is that he doesn't feel like he has earned it yet.
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Indeed, if you've read any fiction where characters are in purgatory this is the kind of position "bad guys" end up in after they die.
 
So...if you guys were to die today how many of you guys would end up in the same purgatory as the losties because "the island was the most important thing in your life"??? :lol :lol :lol
 
LCfiner said:
this is obviously going to be the point where the pro and con arguments for the purgatory explanation come to a head.

you look at that reunion and say that it shows that the alt timeline means something.

I look at that reunion at the exact point where the alt timeline meant nothing.

once they explained that they were all dead, any previous resolutions and flashes meant nothing to me. it was all just running in circles till their souls could find peace.

meh.

I was much more strongly affected by the very real sacrifice Jack made on the Island to save his friends than the resolution of his daddy issues in a fantasy world before he could go to heaven.

I’m just thankful they ended the show in the real world with Jack’s eye closing instead of in this church.
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Truth
 
duckroll said:
Are you sure that's the reason? I figure he's not ready to move on because he still has unresolved issues to take care of in this afterlife. He got forgiveness from Locke, but not from Danielle and Alex yet. He probably needs a lot more repentance before he can let himself go. Not betraying Alex again was probably just his first step in tying up loose ends.
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The way I see it, that's the same thing. That's part of his process of acceptance.
 
I can't tell if it's been discussed, already, but I've seen some people floating around the concept that "the island" wasn't real, either. The plane crashed but no one lived, and all the dead were "trapped on the island" until they were able to achieve whatever piece of their own humanity that they were missing, which is why the deaths of the island were so tragic, since they all seemed to occur just as the characters reach some sort of peace or personal understanding.

I don't know how strongly I believe it, but the theory of "the island" being a proving ground for the dead to get to heaven/nirvana/etc. is being floated around.
 
duckroll said:
Are you sure that's the reason? I figure he's not ready to move on because he still has unresolved issues to take care of in this afterlife. He got forgiveness from Locke, but not from Danielle and Alex yet. He probably needs a lot more repentance before he can let himself go. Not betraying Alex again was probably just his first step in tying up loose ends.
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He could also be waiting for Alex or other significant (to him) others to be ready to go too.
What I got from that church scene is that you DON'T die alone. Maybe the losties group was not the group for Ben.
 
duckroll said:
Are you sure that's the reason? I figure he's not ready to move on because he still has unresolved issues to take care of in this afterlife. He got forgiveness from Locke, but not from Danielle and Alex yet. He probably needs a lot more repentance before he can let himself go. Not betraying Alex again was probably just his first step in tying up loose ends.
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That's why I like the idea of Ben being the new Richard: he still gets to serve the island, but at the same time, he's doing a form of penance.
 
it's probably a cop-out on the part of the writers, but this is probably the resolution of the thematic battle between reason and faith. we'll never know the secret behind the island, but we're supposed to believe it has to be protected. the viewer, like jack, has to accept that fact based solely on faith. i suppose i'd have preferred if reason had won, but what can you do?

also, life & death has been playing in my head today. i dont think i've had a proper closure yet. gotta watch the finale again and maybe the entire series to really have it all sink in.
 
Terrell said:
I can't tell if it's been discussed, already, but I've seen some people floating around the concept that "the island" wasn't real, either. The plane crashed but no one lived, and all the dead were "trapped on the island" until they were able to achieve whatever piece of their own humanity that they were missing, which is why the deaths of the island were so tragic, since they all seemed to occur just as the characters reach some sort of peace or personal understanding.

I don't know how strongly I believe it, but the theory of "the island" being a proving ground for the dead to get to heaven/nirvana/etc. is being floated around.
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That theory has been floating around since s1. =P

The island is real, everything that has happened in the show is real. The flashsideways is the purgatory.
 
Earl Cazone said:
I cant remember, but did ben enter the church? If not: what does that mean, in the end?
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It means there can be another Lost show with Ben and Hurley. In that shows finale we get to see Bens redemption (happens after Hurley closes the door.. Eko walks in the scene) after he uses 35th century technology to construct a bio-mechanical android out of the DNA from Mr Ekos bones. Ben has to get Mr Ekos forgiveness for forcing him to steal the black hole siphoning device during the pan-galactic war against the Empire of the Intra-Brain Masters. The League of Sentient Races is very upset over the war crime they think that Android Eko has committed (even though it was Ben that was controlling Eko) and this leads to the eventual destruction of Earth but not before Ben uses the EM energy to re-energize the planet (which we find out in S8 is actually a machine entity which its entire function is to create a machine race of people with humans being the evolutionary larval stage). Doing this causes Android Eko to travel back to the year 12,000 BC but the rigors of time travel break him apart at the seems causing him to become a plume of nanite smoke.
 
TheGreatDave said:
Oh God, are people still going on about not being told in explicit detail how the magical island with electromagnetic properties was created? Do you really want to bring a God character in to the show?
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No, some of us wanted answers. Weve been speculating on lost for six years about the mysteries of the island. (which was half the fun) But at some point you gotta stop answering questions with more questions. S6 should have been about revalations and what we got was Cave of light and Psycho Mom
 
KAL2006 said:
I have one question, why was the island underwater in the beginning of the season
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Hurley was the protector right? And you saw that when the flash sideways started, meaning Hurley would be dead at that point.
I just assumed someone had defeated Hurley and had sunk the island.
 
MMaRsu said:
"How did Ben get out from under that tree?

oh

wait

I guess the magical Island saved him"

I can just imagine it now :lol
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I think it was more Sawyer finding a branch for leverage. No wait, I mean MAGIC LOLZ!
 
Im super happy with the ending. I am confused as to why some people wanted a different ending. It wouldnt be lost if they all made it off the island and went on with their lives. Sawyer woulda been alone, kate woulda been alone to because you already knew jack was replacing jacob

Toby said:
Hurley was the protector right? And that was when the flash sideways started, meaning Hurley would be dead at that point.
I just assumed someone had defeated Hurley and had sunk the island.
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yeah, agreed. thats why ben said "you were a great number 1" and hurley said "you were a great number 2" either someone defeated them in the future, or they just chose to sink it to protect it who knows
 
Terrell said:
I can't tell if it's been discussed, already, but I've seen some people floating around the concept that "the island" wasn't real, either. The plane crashed but no one lived, and all the dead were "trapped on the island" until they were able to achieve whatever piece of their own humanity that they were missing, which is why the deaths of the island were so tragic, since they all seemed to occur just as the characters reach some sort of peace or personal understanding.

I don't know how strongly I believe it, but the theory of "the island" being a proving ground for the dead to get to heaven/nirvana/etc. is being floated around.
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That's ridiculous.
 
I was tearful at the ending because it meant the series was over. I had a lot of good times in the Lost threads over the years. Speculation, gifs, photoshops, random shit like Ceasar and Lapisus, etc. Thanks for the good times Lost-gaf

:(
 
MMaRsu said:
"How did Ben get out from under that tree?

oh

wait

I guess the magical Island saved him"

I can just imagine it now :lol
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The tree was a representation of his sins, trapping him on the island. But the tree let him go thanks to the power of love and eternal salvation.

In the end, I didn't even WANT to know why there was electromagnetism and stuff. Seriously.
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Ignorance is happiness.
 
So after a day of reflection, its a toss up as to what the most emotional scene was for me. It was one of these though (chronologically):
- Sun/Jin flash
- Kate/Claire/Charlie flash
- Locke flash
- Ben and Locke's last scene

All pretty much destroyed me, but in the very best way. I honestly think the Sun/Jin one might be tops for me though.
 
MMaRsu said:
But Rose has been there since day one and even had an episode :P.
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I know, but both werent under contract like the main cast was. They were just guest stars. As for the episode, it was at the peak of the show's wheel-spinning.
 
msdstc said:
I still don't get how Desmond can travel back and forth between the flash sideways... if nobodies dead yet, the flash sideways should simply not exist. That is if the theory that the sideways is where they all meet when they die stands true.
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I do not believe it's as simple as afterlife. I think the EM enable Desmond to crossover which is where the science came in. Island Desmond didn't understand that himself.

In other words, like Christian said, the other timeline was real if not reality. Further, if it was a shared collective type of existence, then Desmond simply had the ability to go between the two. It's really not that different from the ghost wandering the island, they just don't need the jolt that Desmond did (Maybe because they "died")
 
Solo said:
So after a day of reflection, its a toss up as to what the most emotional scene was for me. It was one of these though (chronologically):
- Sun/Jin flash
- Kate/Claire/Charlie flash
- Locke flash
- Ben and Locke's last scene

All pretty much destroyed me, but in the very best way. I honestly think the Sun/Jin one might be tops for me though.
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Those are all in the abc Lost youtube account and are all sooooo goooood.
 
Apologies if its been asked a million times but it's the one thing I really don't understand. Is there a widely accepted explanation for how Jack magiced himself out of the cave after putting the plug back in?
 
The best scene was the one with Ben asking Locke to forgive him.

Second would probably be the scene when Jack is walking through the forest at the end.

Oh and I really liked "You were a really good number 2. You were a great number 1". Straight up "Prisoner" shit right there.
 
ChillWinston said:
Apologies if its been asked a million times but it's the one thing I really don't understand. Is there a widely accepted explanation for how Jack magiced himself out of the cave after putting the plug back in?
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The cave shat him out.
 
ChillWinston said:
Apologies if its been asked a million times but it's the one thing I really don't understand. Is there a widely accepted explanation for how Jack magiced himself out of the cave after putting the plug back in?
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Same reason it happened to MiB. The waterfall fills up the cave, he gets washed out the other side.
 
PetriP-TNT said:
In the end, I didn't even WANT to know why there was electromagnetism and stuff. Seriously.
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Yup.

Talk of post count got me to look at the who's posted:
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Shit, didn't realize I'd posted so much. :P
 
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