LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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dorkimoe said:
1) technically he is in it :P watch the flashes

2) maybe he was trying to either be a smartass about the part he does appear, or he was throwing us off the trail



Also.. instead of the island being sunk during the hurley and ben years, i wonder if its sunk in the alt timeline because that was created by THEM and in their minds they were better off without the actual island. (maybe if they would have showed the island again in the alt timeline once everyone "realized" they were dead then it would have been above ground?)
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Walt was on the set of the finale. There are pictures taken of him there.

Most likely he was there to shoot stuff for the DVD anwer feature
 
Solo said:
This whole debacle makes me weep for humanity.

SO THEY ALL DIED IN THE ORIGINAL PLANE CRASH?????

Yes, you twit. They all died in S1, and it was just their ghosts moving islands for shits and giggles.
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Oh god, this is all I've been hearing all day. Dammit people.
 
Dead said:
Walt was on the set of the finale. There are pictures taken of him there.

Most likely he was there to shoot stuff for the DVD anwer feature
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Oh , well its been answered 30 times by Lindelof why he wasnt in any new scenes
 
A stylistic choice Ive loved since Happily Ever After onwards, but never remembered to mention: when the characters flash, I absolutely love the filter its shown through. Has this awesome blue/green tint to it that makes it really pop.
 
Parting Words was all over the whole goddamn episode. It was just more validation that it reigned supreme as a musical piece that isn't tied into a person or event (like walking or dying) :D
 
Zeliard said:
I still don't think pseudo-science/answers people should be upset. I'm one of them and I'm satisfied.

Desmond is the "pseudo-science" character in the final scenario. He's the one who represents that aspect of the show (along with Faraday). Consciousness time travel which Desmond went through was explained pseudo-scientifically by Faraday, and Desmond has had various dealings with electromagnetism that affected him in various ways - more pseudo-science. Desmond has never really been one of the "spiritual" characters like Locke, or like Jack became. He's always been rooted in the more scientific aspects of the show.

Also, and this is probably the most important thing, consider how Desmond was blasted by an electromagnetic machine (built by Widmore and his team) and how that actually transferred him over to the other side. This is very important because it wasn't some island creation that did it - it was a machine built specifically by Widmore and his guys, essentially regular humans.

There are two explanations for that:

1) The machine actually temporarily killed him, and that's how he was able to see and experience the sideways "afterlife."

2) The sideways was somehow created by and due to the unique electromagnetic properties of the island. Desmond getting blasted with energy can let him teleport there because the sideways is simply another location in space-time and directly connected to the island, and a huge surge of electromagnetism from the island can transport you there if you can withstand it.

Science vs faith. That's one of the show's largest themes, and the show is ultimately both. It doesn't necessarily pick a side, because none of the electromagnetism stuff has been invalidated or even trivialized by the finale. The coolest thing about it is that the show can be explained using either one. You can go with the point of view that it's all completely spiritual, or that the sideways is some pseudo-scientific creation only possible due to the unique properties of the island, or even a mixture of both. That's the beauty of an open ending.
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Better than I could have said it.

I fucking loved this episode. I don't normally talk Lost here as I usually browse DarkUFO but I'm not a member there and want to talk about it so here is as good a place as any.

Seeing the stained glass in the church with the symbols of multiple faiths was very iconic. I think that's when I knew something wasn't "normal" here. This was truly the only way they could have ended the show in my opinion.

I still wish they showed us the other characters living their lives off-island. WAAAALT, I'm looking at(for) you.
 
big ander said:
Looks a little like it. Would be an awesome goodie.
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And it is :D

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DO WANT
 
Lonestar said:
Parting Words was all over the whole goddamn episode. It was just more validation that it reigned supreme as a musical piece that isn't tied into a person or event (like walking or dying) :D
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Giacc basically hit all the perfect Solo fanboy notes:
- Hollywood and Vines for the first time since TTLG (to my recollection)
- Parting Words for the first time since Exodus
- LOCKE'D OUT AGAIN for the first time since Deus Ex Machina

I mean, fuck, Giacc. Ill never doubt you again. I also thought it was interesting that he sent the series out not to new score, but to There's No Place Like Home.
 
Zeliard said:
People who hated the episode:

What do you ultimately think of Jack's, in particular, arc over the series?
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I’ll bite even though, technically, I didn’t hate the whole episode :P

I thought his arc was great. I totally agree with Solo that he needed Locke’s death to convince him to give in to his faith and his sacrifice to kill MiB and save the island was truly selfless and a great way for his character to find peace.

He was never a bad person. heck, the pilot showed him being selfless, but he needed to see how his desire to rid himself of the Island was flawed and would never be possible. Once he gave in to that, he was able to take on the responsibility required of him to be caretaker of the Island, even for only a moment, and set things right.
 
so... what's gonna fill the void GAF?

I've got on my plate

Continuing on with Breaking Bad S3
All of Dexter S4
I'm assuming entourage and weeds this summer sometime (both of which pretty much suck now but I'll still watch anyway)
Second half of Mad Men Season 3


And as for upcoming stuff all I know of is Walking Dead which I've already read every issue of, so IDK. Oh, Game of Thrones - which I've already read and am pretty positive will suffer the same fate as Rome.

And I've never watched an episode of the Sopranos but I've already had the ending spoiled. Still worth it?
 
Just watched it, it was aight for a reunion ep

Glad I stopped caring for answers at the fifth or so episode though, otherwise I'd be pissed right now
 
big ander said:
...wat

All of seasons 1-5 and all of the on-island stuff in 6 was real.
The sideways stuff in 6 was (I'm going to use BBs description here because I love it) the "waiting room" between life and what's beyond.
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I think everyone is too defensive because of the bad criticism this is getting.

I'm just playing dumb.

I fucking loved the finale.

I'm poking fun at the people that don't know how to put 2 and 2 together.
 
Kodiak said:
so... what's gonna fill the void GAF?
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A long summer of alcohol

:_(

I dont think the void this show leaves will be filled any time soon. In fact, I cant see network TV circa 2010 taking a gamble like LOST again any time soon.
 
Solo said:
Giacc basically hit all the perfect Solo fanboy notes:
- Hollywood and Vines for the first time since TTLG (to my recollection)
- Parting Words for the first time since Exodus
- LOCKE'D OUT AGAIN for the first time since Deus Ex Machina

I mean, fuck, Giacc. Ill never doubt you again. I also thought it was interesting that he sent the series out not to new score, but to There's No Place Like Home.
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They were used a little more than you think. Though rarely UP FRONT AND CENTER.

Hollywood and Vines especially. Going back to Follow the Leader and The Incident, when MIB is leading the Others to the Foot.


http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Musical_themes

And I thought he sent the series out to Life and Death
 
I'm already expecting Fringe to pull some bullshit next season.

Seriously, fuck you genre television.

Hire some writers that have talent, instead of being able to throw good parties with hookers and blow.
 
*sigh*

I just wish shows would stop using the religion angle. Feels so lazy and uninspired, which is sad as the final had so many good scenes which don't really need it. Going to wait for the non "side-flash" cut :lol Or just removing the church scene at the end would have been better and let the alternate reality be something that actually existed, just showing that life wouldn't be that great if the plane hadn't crashed and the characters had a good/meaningful existence regardless. The "all religion" stained glass window and the light from outside was so horrible and ridiculous.

And with all the rumours/theories about the island being the afterlife and such I actually believed that they would go down that route. Sure they modified it but it's still the same end result. At the end I was 'oh no they didn't'. I think they even said in some interview that all the purgatory theories was nonsense?

But thanks anyway Lost, it's been a good ride. Still can't believe it ended.

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Great episode and lots of amazing scenes. Will miss the high budget and actors.

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Get the religious bullshit out of my tv please(yeah BSG I'm talking to you too).
 
Lonestar said:
They were used a little more than you think. Though rarely UP FRONT AND CENTER.
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Thats what I mean, though. Yes, he drops subtle hints of cues all the time, but before last night, Locke'd Out Again hadn't ripped FULL ON since DXM.
 
The more I think about it the more I love the finale.

That scene between Hurley and Ben at the end.. "you were an awesome #2". powerful stuff when you realize they might have been ruling the island like Jacob/Richard for god knows how many years..
 
The void that Lost left won't be filled for at least five years.

Won't matter anyway because we'll be dead by 2012. Or will 2012 be our Island :lol
 
Just finished it. Sobbed uncontrollably starting at Christian appearing for Jack through the end. That ending was a fucking gift, a beautiful present neatly wrapped and ribbonned for this fan here. I don't feel like I was smacked in the face with answers, but at the same time I feel that they inadvertently cleared up most of the bigger questions I had going into the show to begin with. Everything else is a great detail in comparison and I'm glad that they didn't waste their 2.5 hours going "okay, this is what that was" and so on.

The battle sequence between Jack and the Man in Black was absolutely fucking incredible. The scenery, Giacchino, Bender's direction-- it felt like a great, epic battle scene from any great film. Extra kudos to them for actually having Jack getting stabbed, and showing the knife trying to slowly cut his throat open. That shit was fucking raw and unexpected. Jack and Kate's kiss and farewell was pitch-perfect and satisfying. Every "awakening" sequence was phenomenal, particularly Charlie and Claire. Wow. I kind of wish that Hurley and Charlie had a better scene of them remembering one another, but Garcia's shit eating grin was fine I suppose.

I have several solid ideas about what I think the island ultimately was, and before the finale I couldn't have formed those ideas at all. When I first started watching the show, the biggest mystery for me was simply what the island was. Learning about its past and seeing what the characters who stumble upon the island was all fine and dandy and not every bit of it needed to be cleared up, but the finale gave me just enough to say, okay, I'm pretty sure I understand what the island is. What I haven't quite figured out exactly is what happened at the end but I'm okay with that as I fully plan on watching the entire series again when its released together on Blu-ray.

I'll have more later, but that was absolutely god damned amazing.
 
I don't know if I missed it, but did anyone else notice how far they moved the stab that Jack received from Smokey. If frame grab GAF could show all the times they show him getting stabbed cause I swear it moved from left rib to center stomach and then to him holding his hip, but I could be wrong. My DVR is acting funny so i can't do a frame by frame.
 
Lard said:
I'm already expecting Fringe to pull some bullshit next season.

Seriously, fuck you genre television.

Hire some writers that have talent, instead of being able to throw good parties with hookers and blow.
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Why? It's handled by different people, and it's the kind of series that does not have to have a definitive end.
 
Kodiak said:
so... what's gonna fill the void GAF?

I've got on my plate

Continuing on with Breaking Bad S3
All of Dexter S4
I'm assuming entourage and weeds this summer sometime (both of which pretty much suck now but I'll still watch anyway)
Second half of Mad Men Season 3


And as for upcoming stuff all I know of is Walking Dead which I've already read every issue of, so IDK. Oh, Game of Thrones - which I've already read and am pretty positive will suffer the same fate as Rome.

And I've never watched an episode of the Sopranos but I've already had the ending spoiled. Still worth it?
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True Blood has a tiny spark of the magic that Lost had - at least for me.

Pretty decent mix of mythology and character development.
 
ElurI said:
I don't know if I missed it, but did anyone else notice how far they moved the stab that Jack received from Smokey. If frame grab GAF could show all the times they show him getting stabbed cause I swear it moved from left rib to center stomach and then to him holding his hip, but I could be wrong. My DVR is acting funny so i can't do a frame by frame.
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You can watch the final scene on the Youtube channel. The hole in his shirt is on his right side, under his ribs.
 
pringles said:
The more I think about it the more I love the finale.

That scene between Hurley and Ben at the end.. "you were an awesome #2". powerful stuff when you realize they might have been ruling the island like Jacob/Richard for god knows how many years..
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I really liked how they made that angle ambiguous it create a very nice sense of mystery in the show. Although i wonder if people were write fanfic about it? :lol
 
Zoe said:
Why? It's handled by different people, and it's the kind of series that does not have to have a definitive end.
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Because I'm tired of these shows pulling the same bullshit tricks of introducing things that seem cool at the time, but then having absolutely no idea on how they'll explain/resolve it.
 
Sadist said:
And it is :D

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DO WANT
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Consider that fucking BOUGHT.
oatmeal said:
I think everyone is too defensive because of the bad criticism this is getting.

I'm just playing dumb.

I fucking loved the finale.

I'm poking fun at the people that don't know how to put 2 and 2 together.
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Realized this upon rereading your posts. I knew you followed the thread pretty religiously, so I was surprised. I'm to tired to get sarcasm :lol
Kodiak said:
so... what's gonna fill the void GAF?

I've got on my plate

Continuing on with Breaking Bad S3
All of Dexter S4
I'm assuming entourage and weeds this summer sometime (both of which pretty much suck now but I'll still watch anyway)
Second half of Mad Men Season 3


And as for upcoming stuff all I know of is Walking Dead which I've already read every issue of, so IDK. Oh, Game of Thrones - which I've already read and am pretty positive will suffer the same fate as Rome.

And I've never watched an episode of the Sopranos but I've already had the ending spoiled. Still worth it?
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On my plate:
SFU
Breaking Bad
Justified
Twin Peaks
Always Sunny
Flight of the Conchords
Curb your Enthusiasm
Office UK
Deadwood
Mad Men
24 (only season 8)
V
Parks and Rec
30 Rock

If I can finish just half of those this summer, I'll be satisfied.
And I've still got plenty of shows on that I watch, namely Dexter, HIMYM, Fringe, Modern Family, Community, and The Office.
 
ONE OTHER THING!!!

The sideways being a purgatory FILLS THE PLOTHOLE that is Sun/Jin and Locke arriving at the hospital on the same day.

LOST writers, fillin' plotholes since 2004.
 
Solo said:
Thats what I mean, though. Yes, he drops subtle hints of cues all the time, but before last night, Locke'd Out Again hadn't ripped FULL ON since DXM.
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Looking at the last blip of the last scene on youtube, and it's like a scattershot of the great themes. I can hear Parting Words, Life and Death, and TNPLH.
 
brandonh83 said:
Just finished it. Sobbed uncontrollably starting at Christian appearing for Jack through the end. That ending was a fucking gift, a beautiful present neatly wrapped and ribbonned for this fan here. I don't feel like I was smacked in the face with answers, but at the same time I feel that they inadvertently cleared up most of the bigger questions I had going into the show to begin with. Everything else is a great detail in comparison and I'm glad that they didn't waste their 2.5 hours going "okay, this is what that was" and so on.

The battle sequence between Jack and the Man in Black was absolutely fucking incredible. The scenery, Giacchino, Bender's direction-- it felt like a great, epic battle scene from any great film. Extra kudos to them for actually having Jack getting stabbed, and showing the knife trying to slowly cut his throat open. That shit was fucking raw and unexpected. Jack and Kate's kiss and farewell was pitch-perfect and satisfying. Every "awakening" sequence was phenomenal, particularly Charlie and Claire. Wow. I kind of wish that Hurley and Charlie had a better scene of them remembering one another, but Garcia's shit eating grin was fine I suppose.

I have several solid ideas about what I think the island ultimately was, and before the finale I couldn't have formed those ideas at all. When I first started watching the show, the biggest mystery for me was simply what the island was. Learning about its past and seeing what the characters who stumble upon the island was all fine and dandy and not every bit of it needed to be cleared up, but the finale gave me just enough to say, okay, I'm pretty sure I understand what the island is. What I haven't quite figured out exactly is what happened at the end but I'm okay with that as I fully plan on watching the entire series again when its released together on Blu-ray.

I'll have more later, but that was absolutely god damned amazing.
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You are ready, brandon.
 
Lard said:
Because I'm tired of these shows pulling the same bullshit tricks of introducing things that seem cool at the time, but then having absolutely no idea on how they'll explain/resolve it.
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Except we haven't seen that with Fringe yet, so I'm not sure why you're already condemning it.
 
oatmeal said:
The sideways being a purgatory FILLS THE PLOTHOLE that is Sun/Jin and Locke arriving at the hospital on the same day.
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So what you're saying is that it never was a plot hole to begin with.

Imagine that.
 
I still want that fucking orangutan to lay it all out for me. :lol

edit: holy shit that picture was amazing! :lol

also, now that I think about it. Everything involving the temple and Japanese dude in the first half of the season was complete bullshit.
 
CartridgeBlower said:
After hating much of S6, I ended up really loving the finale. Caught me by surprise in that regard. Below is essentially my summation of the show, and by it, I'm at peace with it.

I think most people can agree there was a halfway point in the show, both structurally because they knew they were ending it, AND thematically.

It was of course the final scene from S3 -- the reveal of the flash-forward. Which was in itself the exact INVERSE of the show up to this point, the flash-backs.

This divide, this switch, is much more important than I think people realize.

Seasons 1-3 Dharma was looking for answers -- REASONABLE SCIENTIFIC ANSWERS to the mysteries they found on the island. Just like the characters and audience were doing.

Then came the break in the final scene of S3 -- the inverse -- not just in storytelling but in THEME -- and the show no longer became about the search for answers, but the search for FAITH. This was seasons 4-6.

And from this point on, guess what? The mysteries in the show suddenly made even less sense. They weren't black and white. They became MORE vague. You had to take them on FAITH and leave behind a SCIENTIFIC explanation for them. Jack's journey from man of science to man of faith is the center of this. But the whole show reflected this, as the audience's journey suddenly started to mirror Jack's journey. Leaving behind the search for answers and just accepting the mysteries on faith.

And the more I think about it, the more I think this was a conscious decision by Darlton, and not a 'cop-out for not having real answers to the mysteries.' Things actually becoming more vague (as the quest for faith sometimes brings with it) until the VERY END...the point where you accept and realize your life's true meaning -- represented by the characters remembering their life on the island in the alt-timeling/middle realm/purgatory.
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I like this, very nice analysis.
 
Yeah, the best scene is Jack's death/meeting at the church. Just beautiful. Can't think of a better scene, ever.
 
I love how at the end, there ultimately were no truly evil characters, nor any truly good ones. LOST: shades of grey, baby!
 
oatmeal said:
ONE OTHER THING!!!

The sideways being a purgatory FILLS THE PLOTHOLE that is Sun/Jin and Locke arriving at the hospital on the same day.

LOST writers, fillin' plotholes since 2004.
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Haha, yeah. "There is no time here."

Finale also fixed Lapidus getting an unceremonius death as well :D
 
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