LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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BenjaminBirdie said:
yeah, but it was in the Dominican Republic.
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JGS said:
Yeah, the difference is that Charlotte spent years there as a child. It had actually already happened to her. As of 2004, she had spent ten years (or however many) on the Island by the time she was an adult. As of 2004, Sawyer (for example) had spent only a few months on the Island even though he would live in the 70s for three years a few weeks later. Simple, see? :lol
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oh shit... what an obvious connection for me to miss. :lolBlader5489 said:Almost as if the island was kind of like a magic box, where anything you imagined could appear.
Thanks for making my fan-wankery 10x cooler and more relevant. I'm now in love with the potential ironic accuracy of Ben's "magic box" metaphor.
That what I like about it normally. I was confused only on the basis of the nosebleeds and some other comments about it in previous threads. I was completely following it at the time.gdt5016 said:
To me it & a Simpsons episode are the best stories on time travel.
I give Back to the Future a pass despite it's time travel issues.
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KevinCow said:
The only thing I don't get, so maybe you or someone else can clarify, is how the jughead (The Incident) jumped them ahead 30 years, 77 to 07. I still don't get it. That was like a different way of time travelling then had already been introduced, the broken donkey wheel. Seems it falls in the dubble mumbo-jumbo category of story telling. I assume it has something to do with the combination of electro magnetic activity pocket(The Swan) and the jughead being combined...but explain to me dear scientist how that makes any sense for time travel.
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ErasureAcer said:
Well some people on the ajira plane flashed to 1977 and once they had done what they needed to do(detonate jughead, whatever happened happened) they were sent back to the present
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Drealmcc0y said:
I'd assume that would be the answer...that it was their destiny to detonate jughead(it had already happened in the past and thus they had to do it again. Kind of a paradox). I'm more looking towards the science aspect of it though(if there is any...which I doubt there is since I don't see today's scientists using EM activity to time travel. :lol ). Thanks for the reply anyhow.
ErasureAcer said:
Yep.
Faraday said in "The Constant" that a combination of electromagnetism and radiation can cause time travel. You get enough of that energy, and you can move whole people (and islands)--rather than just consciousnesses--through time, as we saw in S5 whenever the wheel was turned.
So it was the EM pocket + jughead combo that sent the Losties back to 2007.
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Blader5489 said:
OK. I'll leave it at that. If Faraday said it...it must be true. :lol For some reason I believe more in a broken donkey wheel for time travel than that combo...unless I'm missing something and they're the exact same thing.
Even though I liked S5, I feel like the way the O6 goes back in time was really contrived. It just... happens. No explanation or anything, outside of an implied "the island/Jacob did it." We also never got a reason why the Others didn't time skip with our Losties, or why nobody else around the Swan was sent to '07 with our Losties, or why Jughead sent them straight to '07. That's probably my biggest gripe with the series.
I did not care for the plane trip but at the same time, I think among the Losties, it was random since the exact conditions weren't met. For evryone else, they weren't a art of the O6. Since they were never on the Island, they never time travelled.KevinCow said:
The reverse is the case with the Swan. No one else was out of sync so there was no reason for them to travel. Only the Losties messed up by leaving the Island and so they were the ones impacted by whole time travel thing.
I'll never understand being upset that MIB didn't have a name. It's a name! It doesn't have to have any importance. The writers never indicated it had any importance. There was never a scene where Sawyer asks Flocke his name and he just smiles evilly, knowingly. There was never a mystery there.
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Oni Jazar said:
to fuck with you and get you angry, thats why
It makes some sense that the MiB doesn't have a name. For as long as we've known him (even when we didn't know about him) he has been pretending to be other people. He's assumed the identity of countless dead people, pretended to be Jacob and then finally assumed the form of John Locke.
Jacob needed a name in the story because he was this invisible, man behind the curtain, that gave instructions to a body of people through an intermediary.. the name alone would carry authority/finality.
The MiB is a completely different kind of character, clandestinely infiltrating and manipulating people and again, assuming whomever's identity that was most useful at any given time.
Jacob needed a name in the story because he was this invisible, man behind the curtain, that gave instructions to a body of people through an intermediary.. the name alone would carry authority/finality.
The MiB is a completely different kind of character, clandestinely infiltrating and manipulating people and again, assuming whomever's identity that was most useful at any given time.
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Finished it 2 nights ago.
Cried like a fucking baby at the end there, and my wife didn't cry because she didn't get it.
So I'm sitting there trying to explain that the alt timeline is purgatory, and she can't even understand me :lol :lol
Such a great finale. I'm still in awe.
They drove the point home that the show wasn't about the island, it was about the characters.
Any holes/good theories pop up in the past 200+ pages? I read the first 60 and gave up.
Cried like a fucking baby at the end there, and my wife didn't cry because she didn't get it.
So I'm sitting there trying to explain that the alt timeline is purgatory, and she can't even understand me :lol :lol
Such a great finale. I'm still in awe.
They drove the point home that the show wasn't about the island, it was about the characters.
Any holes/good theories pop up in the past 200+ pages? I read the first 60 and gave up.
They chose to leave out his name, and it's not like it was ever brought up as a mystery.
I'm thinking they left out MIB's name to highlight, like the above poster said, his thousands of years of being someone else.
Also, he's supposed to be the physical personification of Evil, that might work better without a name. So meh, nothing to get too worked up about.
I have no opinion either way, but like I said, doesn't bother me he was never named.
I'm thinking they left out MIB's name to highlight, like the above poster said, his thousands of years of being someone else.
Also, he's supposed to be the physical personification of Evil, that might work better without a name. So meh, nothing to get too worked up about.
I have no opinion either way, but like I said, doesn't bother me he was never named.
It's the standard bearer but not because of logic at least to me.Willy105 said:
Just one issue I had with it even as a kid was the fact that despite major personality changes, he and his siblings were born the exact same day and date as when his family was screwed up. However, Back to the Future is a fantastic movie so I'm unable to dislike it. Ditto for T2.
Most time travel stories are too linear to me where if one thing changes all you have to do is fix that one thing. In reality, you would have to fix a thousand things.
I liked LOST time travel because it was already self contained even though we didn't know it at the time - whatever happened, happened.
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