LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Mr. Snrub said:
No it doesn't. There was nothing to assume at that point. Once we were given enough information to about the ash we as an audience knew that it was broken and where. That's not bad story telling, it's relevant story telling.
I would hardly say adding 2+2 constitutes jumping through hopes and there isn't a plothole here, anyway.
InaudibleWhispa
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I think if Jacob can turn water into a protector potion he can do some marvelous things with ash.Blader5489 said:
Just been reading about The Event, a new TV show starting next month. Looks like, if good, it could be a suitable replacement for Lost. "The series is a thriller, love story, and mystery with an element of science fiction".
"Producers promised timely answers to mysteries. Executive producer Evan Katz stated that "Everything is designed to answer questions so you're not frustrated or feeling like we're making it up as we go along" and the writers intend to keep the viewers guessing in a "fair way."". :lol Should keep GAF happy at least..
I like the epilogue for what it was. Could it have been better? Of course. But for a DVD extra, it was great. Nice to see Walt again, even if they left it sort of on a cliffhanger.
Anyways, another update on my dad's Lost experience. He watched a little bit more of season 4 while I was at work today and then we watched two episodes together, ending with The Constant (or maybe the one after it, can't remember). Halfway through The Constant, he was confused. I was like "It's one of my favorite episodes" and he said "but it's so mind-boggling". I replied with "yea, exactly, I like that." I think he's enjoying some of it but what's really keeping him watching is the fact that I enjoy it and he wants to understand my interests, which is kind of nice since he never really cared much before. And even so, I could see some evidence of watery eyes at the end of The Constant. He's cried and stuff in other movies and things before, but nothing I've noticed in Lost yet The Constant made his eyes water a bit.
Next episode is Ji Yeon, and I'm sure that'll confuse him with the flashback and flashforward. I'm off from work this weekend though so I'll be able to watch it with him and explain it.
Anyways, another update on my dad's Lost experience. He watched a little bit more of season 4 while I was at work today and then we watched two episodes together, ending with The Constant (or maybe the one after it, can't remember). Halfway through The Constant, he was confused. I was like "It's one of my favorite episodes" and he said "but it's so mind-boggling". I replied with "yea, exactly, I like that." I think he's enjoying some of it but what's really keeping him watching is the fact that I enjoy it and he wants to understand my interests, which is kind of nice since he never really cared much before. And even so, I could see some evidence of watery eyes at the end of The Constant. He's cried and stuff in other movies and things before, but nothing I've noticed in Lost yet The Constant made his eyes water a bit.
Next episode is Ji Yeon, and I'm sure that'll confuse him with the flashback and flashforward. I'm off from work this weekend though so I'll be able to watch it with him and explain it.
InaudibleWhispa
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Article from EW about the Season 6 DVD's and an interview with Darlton. Some interesting stuff... "Losties would be wise to listen to the commentary track Damon and Carlton recorded for 'Across The Sea'. The producers explain their intentions and answer a number of burning questions: Was mother really a smoke monster? What are Jacobs "rules" and how come he never spelled them out? When was the stone cork inserted into the heart of the island? Without ever offering "official" answers, Cuse and Lindelofs commentary is provocative enough to demand a critical reevaluation of the episode".
Weezer's next album is called...Hurley. After our Hurley.
And, Jorge Garcia is on the cover.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.weezer/browse_thread/thread/43618cc52a9c09f4?pli=1
And, Jorge Garcia is on the cover.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.weezer/browse_thread/thread/43618cc52a9c09f4?pli=1
It won't win Best Drama that's for sure. Season 6 of Lost wasn't the show's high point plus it's up against Mad Men, which just had its best season. I haven't seen Breaking Bad season 3 yet but Mad Men season 3 was some of the best television I have ever watched and I fully expect it to win.neoism said:
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DarkWish said:
I didn't really see it as much of a cliffhanger. Just a means to show that even after all our favorite Losties are dead, the Island marches on, still protected. Plus, I feel it tied off the Walt loose end simply and nicely. And it possibly explains why we didn't see Walt in the church. He's too busy being immortal and summoning Hurley birds and stuff.
brandonh83
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DarkWish said:
release date: TBA
I know it's like getting pissed in the eyeball
brandonh83
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Catalix said:
I ain't goin' no where
brandonh83
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I'm watching The End right now, at least skimming through it. It's so good I want to kick a hole in the wall with the built up bro power I get from almost every scene.
The End could honestly have its very own soundtrack.
The End could honestly have its very own soundtrack.
Buttonbasher
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Oh dude. I just cackled while reading that. Burst of laughter that went higher pitched than any of my other laughs.gdt5016 said:
That's awesome. I knew it was going to be called Hurley, but dude.
"Hurley is as warm and embracing as the glowing smile on actor Jorge Garcia's face that graces the cover," :lol :lol
Day one.
brandonh83
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LOST: The End
Original Music cumposed by Michael Giacchino
1. Lost and Found
New theme composed for this episode, symbolizes the flash-sideways characters finally taking steps toward "moving on."
2. Worse than Yoda
Hints of several themes ominously remixed as they discuss Jacob, Desmond, and what to do next.
3. Most Important Thing
Hurley visits Charlie.
4. When in the Hell We Are
Rose and Bernard's theme, moves into darker cues as Locke makes a sudden appearance.
5. Trek to the Heart
Exploration motif from season 1 returns as Locke, Ben, and Desmond travel to the Heart of the Island.
6. There's Your Baby
Sun and Jin's theme is recalled on piano, eventually segues into There's No Place Like Home.
7. Holy Fuckin Shit II
Hollywood and Vines motif surges as the group head off to confront Locke.
8. Gray Hair and Frank Zombidus
Richard's theme is heard as he learns that he is aging again, they find Lapidus out in the ocean.
9. From Here On
Hints of the Heart's theme permeate as Jack, Desmond, and Locke move forward alone. Concludes with Desmond's theme as he gives Jack information about the "other side."
10. Heart of the Island
The Heart's theme, no holds barred, blasts as Desmond stares in awe at the majesty of the island's power.
11. Just a Blanket
A new "remembering" motif plays joyously as Kate and Claire remember Aaron's birth. There's No Place Like Home surges again as Charlie remembers.
12. Man of Science, Man of Black
A new action cue written for the final boss battle. Ends with the Man in Black's theme as Locke is killed.
13. Unlocke'd
Locke'd Out Again plays softly as Locke remembers.
14. Parting Kiss
A Touching Moment remixed for Jack and Kate's final scene on the island.
15. It Needs You
Yet another original cue written for Hurley and Jack's farewell, leads into the Protector of the Island theme as Hurley is made the new protector.
16. Amen
Intense action cue as Sawyer, Kate, and Claire rush to the Ajira plane, concluding with a bold and happier remix of Parting Words as they leave the island for good.
17. Forgiven
A peaceful rendition of Ben's theme plays as Ben explains and apologizes for his actions. Locke forgives him, and we move into a subdued rendition of Locke'd Out Again, this time with a bittersweet hint of finality.
18. Together
Christian reveals himself to Jack with a tender piano theme that is soon joined by violins. Jack is told where he is as Life and Death takes over. There's No Place Like Home surges once more as most of the oh fuck this I can't see shit right now
Original Music cumposed by Michael Giacchino
1. Lost and Found
New theme composed for this episode, symbolizes the flash-sideways characters finally taking steps toward "moving on."
2. Worse than Yoda
Hints of several themes ominously remixed as they discuss Jacob, Desmond, and what to do next.
3. Most Important Thing
Hurley visits Charlie.
4. When in the Hell We Are
Rose and Bernard's theme, moves into darker cues as Locke makes a sudden appearance.
5. Trek to the Heart
Exploration motif from season 1 returns as Locke, Ben, and Desmond travel to the Heart of the Island.
6. There's Your Baby
Sun and Jin's theme is recalled on piano, eventually segues into There's No Place Like Home.
7. Holy Fuckin Shit II
Hollywood and Vines motif surges as the group head off to confront Locke.
8. Gray Hair and Frank Zombidus
Richard's theme is heard as he learns that he is aging again, they find Lapidus out in the ocean.
9. From Here On
Hints of the Heart's theme permeate as Jack, Desmond, and Locke move forward alone. Concludes with Desmond's theme as he gives Jack information about the "other side."
10. Heart of the Island
The Heart's theme, no holds barred, blasts as Desmond stares in awe at the majesty of the island's power.
11. Just a Blanket
A new "remembering" motif plays joyously as Kate and Claire remember Aaron's birth. There's No Place Like Home surges again as Charlie remembers.
12. Man of Science, Man of Black
A new action cue written for the final boss battle. Ends with the Man in Black's theme as Locke is killed.
13. Unlocke'd
Locke'd Out Again plays softly as Locke remembers.
14. Parting Kiss
A Touching Moment remixed for Jack and Kate's final scene on the island.
15. It Needs You
Yet another original cue written for Hurley and Jack's farewell, leads into the Protector of the Island theme as Hurley is made the new protector.
16. Amen
Intense action cue as Sawyer, Kate, and Claire rush to the Ajira plane, concluding with a bold and happier remix of Parting Words as they leave the island for good.
17. Forgiven
A peaceful rendition of Ben's theme plays as Ben explains and apologizes for his actions. Locke forgives him, and we move into a subdued rendition of Locke'd Out Again, this time with a bittersweet hint of finality.
18. Together
Christian reveals himself to Jack with a tender piano theme that is soon joined by violins. Jack is told where he is as Life and Death takes over. There's No Place Like Home surges once more as most of the oh fuck this I can't see shit right now
Drealmcc0y
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gdt5016 said:
lmao, thats awesome.
and so true!
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gdt5016 said:
This is fucking amazing....:lol
MightyHealthy
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I still can't think about this show without hating it.
I mean, Ben committed genocide, but since he was apparently more sorry than Michael (who killed two people because of his orders), he's not stuck whispering on the island AND somehow can still go to the afterlife.
And to add even more insult to injury, Walt will also be the island's bitch too, despite everything Michael did to get him away from it.
Goddamn this show is trash.
I mean, Ben committed genocide, but since he was apparently more sorry than Michael (who killed two people because of his orders), he's not stuck whispering on the island AND somehow can still go to the afterlife.
And to add even more insult to injury, Walt will also be the island's bitch too, despite everything Michael did to get him away from it.
Goddamn this show is trash.
MightyHealthy
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Yeah, like Michael was supposed to basically kidnap 4 people without any type of problems :lolBlader5489 said:
Ben may not have been in the church, but he sure as hell wasn't stuck on the island after his death...and it was implied that he's waiting for Alex and Rousseau.
MightyHealthy said:
All Michael was told to do was free Ben and lead Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley to the Others. Nobody told him to kill anyone to get that done, that was a decision he made.
He's not waiting for them, he's going to spend as much time with them as possible until they eventually get their memories back, remember how horrible Ben was in life, and move on without him.
MightyHealthy
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I'm sure a lot of people would have made the decision he made, considering they were held hostage, and getting those 4 back to the Others camp was the only way he could ensure his child's safety.Blader5489 said:
Also, this "defense" is merely regurgitating Ben's justification for not having blood on his hands.
And for whatever reason Ben is there, he certainly doesn't deserve to be. Michael wasn't allowed to "pass on" because he killed two people...meanwhile Ben orchestrated genocide. Makes a lot of sense.
And them specifically, because they really, really needed Hurley, no one else, to go straight back to the beach with a redundant warning.Blader5489 said:
I hope Michael enjoyed the gratuitous added challenge of trying to convince his friends that Hurley should really tag along as they try to attack the camp of the Others.
And it's a good thing he killed Libby, too, 'cause I'm not sure how he would have dealt with the Hurley situation otherwise! :lol
Yeah, no afterlife for Michael. Bad Michael.MightyHealthy said:
Locke, on the other hand... Well, yeah, sure, 'cause he's such a great guy, huh? Damn, what a great guy. Even Jack tells MIB that.
... "Naomi" who?
MightyHealthy said:
That's a hell of a mindset you've got there. :lol
Well, if it makes you feel any better, the New Man in Charge epilogue implied that
Walt is going to release Michael from his limbo.
But Ben isn't "passing on" either. The flashsideways isn't heaven, it isn't paradise, it's a purgatory. Ben isn't going anywhere.
In any event, Ben being there and Michael stuck on the island doesn't mean that Michael was a worse person than Ben, it just means that he had a harder time getting over his murders than Ben had getting over his genocide.
Well I'm surprised... my dad finished season 4 this morning. When I asked him what his favorite season so far was, he said the 4th season. So looks like he's not giving up on the show... well, who knows. We watched most of the first episode of season 5 and he was like "pause it, I need a break, this is too much". It's the whole time flashes thing that I think is confusing him. I still think he'll keep watching.
I also told him that he now knows about the polar bears, except I might have accidentally spoiled him a bit. I was explaining a bit to him and got to the part with the donkey wheel and said "you know the wheel that Locke turned" and he was like "Locke didn't turn a wheel, Ben did" and I said "oh yea, yea... I meant Ben" and just moved on. Hopefully he didn't think too much of that. It's hard to discuss the show with him when he goes so fast through it and watches most of it while I'm at work. I'm always afraid I'm going to spoil something since some of it is a bit jumbled in my mind too.
Wait a second... I just heard my dad downstairs un-pausing the episode. I guess I should go watch with him in case he gets confused.
I also told him that he now knows about the polar bears, except I might have accidentally spoiled him a bit. I was explaining a bit to him and got to the part with the donkey wheel and said "you know the wheel that Locke turned" and he was like "Locke didn't turn a wheel, Ben did" and I said "oh yea, yea... I meant Ben" and just moved on. Hopefully he didn't think too much of that. It's hard to discuss the show with him when he goes so fast through it and watches most of it while I'm at work. I'm always afraid I'm going to spoil something since some of it is a bit jumbled in my mind too.
Wait a second... I just heard my dad downstairs un-pausing the episode. I guess I should go watch with him in case he gets confused.
Drealmcc0y
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DarkWish said:
I thought your dad doesnt like supernatural elements?
I would of thought for sure he would have quit after the FDW
Naked Snake
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Drealmcc0y said:
I wouldn't consider the FDW to be "supernatural" at all, it's very much sci-fi.
Dead people communicating with the living is supernatural.
Yea I had an issue with that too. But then you have to remember how many religions were represented in the fantasy world or whatever the fuck they called it.MightyHealthy said:
That many religions being represented shows us that its not a simple matter of right and wrong. That and the fact that Sayid was there. How many people did he kill during these 6 seasons? I think "moving on" involved something else entirely.
What? We'll never know.
He doesn't, but I think he feels like he doesn't have that much better to watch and he's already invested so much time into this that he might as well finish. I keep reminding him that it's all about the characters, and I think that is what he is interested in. He is getting annoyed at the time flashes though. I told him not to get too bogged down by those, but he just finds them a bit annoying.Drealmcc0y said:
Just finished watching This Place Is Death with him and he'll continue more tomorrow. He's asking me things like "why does Richard always look young?" and "why are there all these dead people appearing?" so sounds like he's interested still. I told him that he'll get the answers eventually (though I told him the outrigger scene wasn't going to be answered so he wouldn't dwell on that too much).
JoshuaJSlone
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I took it as more of a personal thing. Michael kept himself trapped by feeling so awful about it. Sayid and Ben, on the other hand, are better at killing people and getting over it. Even in the afterlife, nice murderers come in last!.GqueB. said:
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I can't believe people are even arguing the idea that Ben was "stuck" in purgatory.
He wasn't stuck. He had the option to leave. He could have walked in the door but chose to stay behind. As somebody said, it was implied that he was waiting for Alex and Rousseau to come with him--nothing more.
He wasn't stuck. He had the option to leave. He could have walked in the door but chose to stay behind. As somebody said, it was implied that he was waiting for Alex and Rousseau to come with him--nothing more.
Rekwest
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Now I know everything that happens in the series, the final running order is as follows...
Prologue, The White Rabbit, Rasied by Another, Homecoming, Deus Ex Machina, The Exodus, The Collision, The Hunting Party, One of Them, Live Together Die Alone, The Other Island, The Rescue Attempt, The 'Jacob' Encounter, The Beginning of the End, The Constant, Something Nice Back Home, There's No Place Like Home, Because They Left, The Journey Back, Dead is Dead, The Incident, The Candidates, Strands of Destiny, Days Gone By, Final Chapter, Epilogue
Prologue, The White Rabbit, Rasied by Another, Homecoming, Deus Ex Machina, The Exodus, The Collision, The Hunting Party, One of Them, Live Together Die Alone, The Other Island, The Rescue Attempt, The 'Jacob' Encounter, The Beginning of the End, The Constant, Something Nice Back Home, There's No Place Like Home, Because They Left, The Journey Back, Dead is Dead, The Incident, The Candidates, Strands of Destiny, Days Gone By, Final Chapter, Epilogue
Drealmcc0y
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Rekwest said:
wut
My dad finished season 5 and is now awaiting season 6 on DVD. He doesn't seem to like the supernatural stuff that much, but he's enjoying the show enough to keep watching. I asked him if he thought the bomb worked and he said no. Can't wait for August 24th!
Also, do we have release dates on the encyclopedia and season 6 soundtrack? I don't think we do on the soundtrack (just wanted to double check) and I know the encyclopedia was delayed but I don't know until when.
Also, do we have release dates on the encyclopedia and season 6 soundtrack? I don't think we do on the soundtrack (just wanted to double check) and I know the encyclopedia was delayed but I don't know until when.
Drealmcc0y
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@ Darkwish, im looking foward to your dads views on "Across the Sea".
It sounds like that could possibly break the show for him. What do you think he will say about it?
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