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[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Hate to burst the bubble, but that's fake. She doesn't have twitter/facebook..

DONT TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DO!!!

 

[Kitschkraft]

..it was just purgatory?!

Worse. Shagg is going to wake up to realize it was just a dream.

 

[Solo]

BTW, I'm in athiest, doesn't stop me from loving the ending.

Hilarious. Ive now seen about 10 athiests in this thread, myself and yourself included, talk about how perfect the end was.

Dirty heathens know the score.

 

[bachikarn]

I see a lot of people having a hard time wrapping their heads around the ending and the nature of the flashsideways:


-Normally, if you die you either move on or you don't. i.e. Michael and the rest of the Whispers.
-The Flashsideways isn't just a normal "god created" pre-afterlife where the Losties "waited on each other"
-Like Christian said it was "all real". It was a place that "they had created together"
-Jughead did indeed detonate but you can't change time. What Happened Happened. You can't have an alternate reality because that would mean you exist simultaneously in two different places which is impossible.
-The only way the consciousnesses of these people could exist in a different timeline is AFTER they had died in the original one.
-Of course they didn't all die at the same time. Jack died at the end of the episode, Kate, Hurley etc.. presumably went on to live long lives.
-Because of this the X-Timeline didn't have a precise starting point or place in time. It didn't it exist until it could.
- Call "X" whatever you want but it is a time line. Electromagneitcism wouldn't have sent Desmond to "pre heaven".
-And it's not pointless to the narrative. In fact Season 5 and the push to blow up jughead all the more powerful.

My only issue is why did people like Charlie appear to Hurley. Had he not passed on?

I completely agree that jughead created an alternate reality that the Losies uses as their personal waiting room.

 

[Zoe]

You are named after the greatest Lost character.

Pfft, she was an imposter. Her name was spelled with a Y!

 

[BertramCooper]

Damn, I really want to get a chance to talk to Darlton someday.

The Narnia parallels really fascinate me. It's my favorite book series ever, so I can't help but feel a very strong connection between the two.

And considering they named a character Charlotte Staples Lewis, I'd say they must be fairly big C.S. Lewis fans.

 

[YoungHav]

Lost Season 5 >>>>>>>>>> Lost Season 6.

 

[Gareth Bale]

The creators never claimed it was anything more than a character drama. How forgetful some people are.

You're correct:

No, what I was thinking was the stuff that has been explained so far has a scientific explanation, whereas the other stuff, we're waiting, we don't really know.

DL: Right.
CC: I think the question kind of strikes right at the core of the central theme of the show, which is the notion of faith versus empiricism. Jack represents the empiricist camp, and Locke represents the faith camp, and, you know, who is right? Well, the show hasn't fully answered that question yet.
DL: Hopefully it won't feel like it's a cop out when the show does answer that question, because we never promised a show that was based entirely and grounded in science. It's nice that it's able to do that, but we reserve the right to go in the direction that the uber-plan directs us.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/digital/4260693

Still doesn't hide the plot holes though. It does its best to convince you that they're irrelevent anyway.

 

[Shig]

Christian lays this all out: their timne on the island was the most important time in their lives. The Losties needed to reunite to move on, and Helen wasnt one of them.

Christian wasn't one of them either, though. He came to the island as a dead body.

Did Penny actually ever set foot on the island? I never recall that. But she got to be part of the Island Friends 4ever Reunion Jamboree.

And if you can just bring a date like Des did with Penny, then why wasn't Nadia there with Sayid?

Why was Ana Lucia snubbed?

 

[Solo]

Lost Season 5 >>>>>>>>>> Lost Season 6.

u mad?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Mr. Eko turned down guest appearance and demanded more money? What a greedy person considering it was one of his biggest roles. Reminded me of Iron-Man-2/War-Machine fiasco...

 

[pxleyes]

Hilarious. Ive now seen about 10 athiests in this thread, myself and yourself included, talk about how perfect the end was.

Dirty heathens know the score.

+1 here too.

 

[ostrichKing]

To me its very meta. The people who didn't like the ending may not have believed in life after death or were not willing to contemplate their own deaths and life afterwards. Once you do that your whole perspective on the world changes, and its a hard thing to do.

Though I am a proud atheist..it has nothing to do with my problems with the alt timeline. My problems are that if you really think about what happened, and the quick explanation for it...it doesn't make sense. I am perfectly fine with a purgatory/heaven/etc being in a tv show but massive plot holes I have issues with.

It was the best 2 hours and 15 minutes of lost, and for me...they absolutely blew it at the very end (unless my "the alt timeline is all Jack's construct to come to peace and let go theory is correct) If you really think about the timeline...as a person of faith or not...it makes no sense...

 

[JGS]

One thing I don't get, though: why was Michael doomed to eternally wander the island, but not Ben or Sayid? They both murdered far more people than Michael. Because they redeemed themselves? Michael's redemption was very similar to Sayid's, though: he blew himself up to save other people's lives.

Michael was tormented by the deaths of Libby & Ana Lucia which was never reconciled even with the brief reuniting with Walt since eventually failed to have a relationship with him too.

It wasn't about someone punishing them, it was about punishing themselves. It was probably why Ben wasn't ready to an extent.

 

[RichardAM]

Lost Season 5 >>>>>>>>>> Lost Season 6.

:lol

 

[Veidt]

goddam, I wish I was in Lost.

 

[CrankyJay]

Christian wasn't one of them either, though. He came to the island as a dead body.

Did Penny actually ever set foot on the island? I never recall that. But she got to be part of the Island Friends 4ever Reunion Jamboree.

And if you can just bring a date like Des did with Penny, then why wasn't Nadia there with Sayid?

Why was Ana Lucia snubbed?

As lame as it sounds...Christian was "Shepherding" them in that final sequence.

 

[Solo]

I love how the Man of Faith camp won out. Good thing Jack realized he was on the wrong team before the end.

 

[ostrichKing]

Helen didn't know them- only Locke. She is connected with another group somewhere just fine

Spoiler

hopefully

Then what purpose did she serve in this "waiting room" universe?

 

[NinjaCodah]

One thing I don't get, though: why was Michael doomed to eternally wander the island, but not Ben or Sayid? They both murdered far more people than Michael. Because they redeemed themselves? Michael's redemption was very similar to Sayid's, though: he blew himself up to save other people's lives.

Hey, are you trying to work some logic in all this?

 

[gdt]

My only issue is why did people like Charlie appear to Hurley. Had he not passed on?

I completely agree that jughead created an alternate reality that the Losies uses as their personal waiting room.

Yeah, I see it the same way.

Jack wanted so badly to erase O815, and for awhile it appeared he did.

But, there are no copies of...souls/essences lets call them. So, they were able to use this new reality as a pseudo purgatory.

Yeah, I think Jughead created a new reality which worked as Purgatory.

 

[RichardAM]

And if you can just bring a date like Des did with Penny, then why wasn't Nadia there with Sayid?

Dude bagged himself a Shannon instead, that's why.

 

[pxleyes]

Then what purpose did she serve in this "waiting room" universe?

The same purpose Aaron served. A means to the end we saw, the characters reuniting.

 

[JGS]

My only issue is why did people like Charlie appear to Hurley. Had he not passed on?

I completely agree that jughead created an alternate reality that the Losies uses as their personal waiting room.

They had passed on, Hurley had not. Since time was not an issue, the alternate life was created when all of them were [about to be?] ready.

The thing I'm not sure of is whether everyone on the planet has this ability (this is what I assumed) or just the Losties. Your last sentence has me rethinking that.

 

[Solo]

Giacchino has my undying love for getting the two cues I wanted to hear into the finale. Locke'd Out Again and Parting Words. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

 

[Calcaneus]

goddam, I wish I was in Lost.

9 times out of 10 you would die a horrific, bloody, death.

 

[sprsk]

 

[YoungHav]

u mad?

no. Season 5 is just better than Season 6. Too much fuckery and wasted time this season.

5's finale >>>> this finale.

Returning to the island and time travel >>>>>>> flash sideways.

Sayid popping kid Ben >>>>>>>> Kate popping MIB.

Ben killing Jacob >>>>>>>> Sun/Jin's death.

Radzinsky >>>> Zoey.

 

[ostrichKing]

The same purpose Aaron served. A means to the end we saw, the characters reuniting.

Ridiculous...

 

[criesofthepast]

Can I ask why GAF loves Eko so much? He did nothing for me at all. His backstory was enjoyable but his time on the island was a bore. I was ready for him to leave (die).

I liked the scenes with him and Locke though.

 

[threenote]

Goddamn i am so happy im not like some people in this thread :lol :lol must be an awful feeling to watch a show for 6 seasons and feel cheated. Luckily im not

I don't think any true fan of lost felt cheated by last night's finale.

 

[CrankyJay]

I love how the Man of Faith camp won out. Good thing Jack realized he was on the wrong team before the end.

I really don't see how they could have lost.

I guess I was happy to see that the real Locke was vindicated in the end though. From S1 he had faith that he and everyone else was there for a reason, even before he knew about Jacob, and I was a bit scared when MIB summed up Locke as a person who has been a sucker his entire life.

I'm glad the writers restored Locke to his rightful glory.

 

[Ceres]

Pfft, she was an imposter. Her name was spelled with a Y!

The real question is: Flilly or Fevangeline?

 

[Solo]

no. Season 5 is just better than Season 6. Too much fuckery and wasted time this season.

5's finale >>>> this finale.

Returning to the island and time travel >>>>>>> flash sideways.

Sayid popping kid Ben >>>>>>>> Kate popping MIB.

Ben killing Jacob >>>>>>>> Sun/Jin's death.

NO
No
No
Oh hell NAH

 

[yacobod]

the only flash that was sort of weak in the finale was the sayid/shannon reunion imo, their relationship on the island in s2 seemed kind of forced and was quickly turned into an afterthought, obviously being reunited with nadia was not meant to be, but i think a different route with him would have been better, but pretty much all the other "realizations" during the alt-timeline were perfect

 

[witness]

Christian wasn't one of them either, though. He came to the island as a dead body.

Well Jack needed to get over his father's death and their relationship, his dad was there to help him move on from that, realize that he was dead now, and shepherd (Christian Shepherd c'mon) them all to their paradise.

 

[Sadist]

 

[LCfiner]

So am I the only one unhappy with the ending not because it didn’t answer questions about the Island (I felt pretty satisfied with that stuff) but because it doesn’t really close the stories of any of the characters?

the positive reviews keep saying that its all about the characters and their redemption and coming to terms with their lives and “closing out their stories" but none of those things mean anything if it only happens once they’re dead.

The entire LA X timeline is one big “it’s all a dream” rug pull. who cares if John Locke has surgery to fix his legs if he’s not a corporeal entity?

yes, I get that it was needed for him to “let go” but all the emotion that the writers wanted to wring from us during those scenes as they originally aired was dishonest. Locke’s confession as to how he lost his legs in the alt timeline and how it mad his dad a vegetable.

not real.

Sun getting shot and at death’s door? omg. the tension!

nah, just fooling. she’s already dead.

Ben putting his daughter ahead of his own personal gain for once in his life?

doesn’t matter. he knows this is all a figment of his imagination now. she’s not real. he doesn’t have a second chance.

all the emotional beats - all the "character development" - that the writers attempted to add to the characters via this alt timeline in season 6 is complete bullshit. they’re dead.

and they ended up using Mr Exposition Man in the last 10 minutes of the show to explain all this.

ugh.

the last ten minutes of The End retroactively fucked up the entire 6th season.

 

[Alucard]

The morning after...

I'm just shooting from the hip here, but I still feel that Lost was a show that wanted to have its cake and eat it too. The writers said that EVERYTHING on the island has a scientific explanation, but then proceeded to introduce a magical cave of life and death knowledge.

I really liked how the show handled science and religion before this season. I bought into John's journey, and "wowed" at his various discoveries and him thinking he was special and had a purpose, all the while there being explanations for most things that happened to him. (except him being able to walk of course...I'm assuming that was one of Jacob's rules?)

I dunno, I think they teased fans by saying they were writing intelligent television that drew from philosophy and literature, and that would weave a tangled web with an ultimate point of connection. But while some connections were made, some of them seemed contrived (everyone somehow knowing someone else from the island in real life or meeting up in some random way before they even got on the plane...the numbers), or just questions for the sake of questions and planting seeds of mystery that were never intended to be answered in the first place by the writers.

 

[threenote]

Hilarious. Ive now seen about 10 athiests in this thread, myself and yourself included, talk about how perfect the end was.

Dirty heathens know the score.

I'm an atheist as well, and I simply loved the end. It's amazing how the writers made that final scene appreciable to people of any spiritual beliefs.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Jack and Locke are basically Superfriends.

YES!

I loved how good a friends they were, it was just so awesome

 

[Veidt]

9 times out of 10 you would die a horrific, bloody, death.

the bloodier, the better.

 

[Solo]

I really don't see how they could have lost.

I guess I was happy to see that the real Locke was vindicated in the end though. From S1 he had faith that he and everyone else was there for a reason, even before he knew about Jacob, and I was a bit scared with MIB summed up Locke as a person who has been a sucker his entire life.

I'm glad the writers restored Locke to his rightful glory.

Yep. They managed to completely redeem John Locke, and even manage to satisfy fanatics like me without bringing him back to life. His legacy lived on through Jack and is what helped save the world.

 

[Dez]

Hey, are you trying to work some logic in all this?

I think even in this other world, it is a choice to move on. Sayid is convinced that he rejected corruption on the island and therefore is ready to move on. Maybe Michael will move on at some point, but not with the losties. He betrayed them, they certainly don't need him to move on

 

[Gareth Bale]

Question here: When Widmore told MiB that Desmond was Jacob's "last resort", a trump card to be used if all of Jacob's other Candidates were to die, what did he mean by this? How would Desmond stop him from leaving the island?

 

[Shig]

Dude bagged himself a Shannon instead, that's why.

Shannon was the worst. Ana Lucia was a ray of pleasant sunshine compared to that bitch.

 

[pxleyes]

Ridiculous...

Sucks for you.

 

[ClosingADoor]

So, I guess they move on and go to some sort of heaven. But what about Ben? He sits outside, does he stay in the X-world?

 

[YoungHav]

NO
No
No
Oh hell NAH

:lol IIRC you hated S5 for whatever reason. It was better than this fuckery.

Best part of season 6:
Juliet's tits
Kate's dress in the finale
Ben Linus
Richard Alpert
Terry O' Quinn's acting
Ab Aeterno

Other than that the whole season has been hit or miss. Holy shit I want to suck Juliet's tits blue.

 

[CrankyJay]

I dunno, I think they teased fans by saying they were writing intelligent television that drew from philosophy and literature, and that would weave a tangled web with an ultimate point of connection.

I think their ultimate point of connection was the characters and their shared experience. There's really nothing more to say than this.