LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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I loved the ending. I'm sad that it's all over. I don't want to bicker about what could have been done better or any of that. It was just a real satisfying send off for a fantastic show.
 
omg rite said:
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Seriously the best gif ever.

Waiting for this GIF to be photshopped with lightsabers.
 
I don't think this finale thread has shown us who the "real fans" of LOST are...

...but it has shown us who we'd want to go have a beer with. :lol
 
LCfiner said:
nothing in it is real.

Who's to say anything in your world is real? That's why the x timeline works. Who's to say you didn't crash on an island or lived a similar but different life and this is just the "spiritual" version of your life?
 
The X storyline was a bit of a rugpull. We invested in the characters in the previous flashbacks and flash forwards, because we knew there were real consequences at all times and that danger was always around the corner. Using X as an epilogue for the show and as a narrative device rather than a meaningful parallel world with character decisions that mean something does cheapen half of season six. The writers made us start caring about the X characters, only to pull a bait and switch.

I mean, I think the afterlife ending makes an equal amount of sense as one about a parallel world, but the execution of it made season six feel a bit dishonest. I suppose a reveal like that couldn't have been avoided, though.
 
BTW, I think it was certainly ambiguous whether or not Jack was Smokey in the end. Hell, he even land in nearly the same position as MIB's original body in Across the Sea.

He could've been Smokey, but he was already hurt.

Again, he could be or maybe not. I do definitely think we're supposed to wonder about that.
 
Aesius said:
A finale focusing primarily on mysteries would have been HORRIBLE. Did you not see how poorly they handled the whispers?

And that wasn't even entirely the writers fault. Answers are inherently far less satisfying than intriguing questions.

You are correct that it would have been horrible because they didn't actually have answers for the mysteries they set up. That is why the whispers didn't make any sense. They clearly were tied to the others so when it was dead people it fell flat.
 
Aesius said:
A finale focusing primarily on mysteries would have been HORRIBLE. Did you not see how poorly they handled the whispers?

And that wasn't even entirely the writers fault. Answers are inherently far less satisfying than intriguing questions. There will always be a feeling of......."that's it?" when answers (especially to long standing mysteries) are revealed.
It might have been, but the entire response of "you wanted answers? WELL YOU'RE NOT A REAL FAN" that's happening is baffling.
 
StoOgE said:
You see.. it was a character driven post. Logic and reason don't fit into it.

Clearly you just don't get the post.. and you were never really a fan of the post to begin with.

Also, it might mean you are an athiest.
Right, because, like that post, lost definitely didn't have a single logical argument or moral conflict. I gotcha.
 
WasteLand Soldier said:
not sure if this was asked yet but if timeline x was the waiting room for those who died then why was aaron born there again?

why were any of them born there? Why were you born here? I wouldn't consider it a "waiting room" any more so than this life is a waiting room.
 
threenote said:
Well you said you wouldn't post here the last time you had a whiny-bitch meltdown.

I love how I get personally attacked left and right in this thread for having an opinion that people don't agree with.
 
Who else feels bad for the actor of Walt? I remember reading an interview in Season 5 where he pretty much said he hopes he comes back to the show with superpowers and saves the day. Poor kid.

I really thought he was going to be in the finale. I remember reading the writers saying they created a scene for him, and then them apparently confirming he would be in it a week ago.
 
ErasureAcer said:
Who's to say anything in your world is real? That's why the x timeline works. Who's to say you didn't crash on an island or lived a similar but different life and this is just the "spiritual" version of your life?


Whoa. The Matrix.


yeah, that doesn’t answer anything at all and it doesn’t make the alt timeline work.
 
LCfiner said:
So am I the only one unhappy with the ending not because it didn’t answer questions about the Island (I felt pretty satisfied with that stuff) but because it doesn’t really close the stories of any of the characters?

the positive reviews keep saying that its all about the characters and their redemption and coming to terms with their lives and “closing out their stories" but none of those things mean anything if it only happens once they’re dead.

The entire LA X timeline is one big “it’s all a dream” rug pull. who cares if John Locke has surgery to fix his legs if he’s not a corporeal entity?

yes, I get that it was needed for him to “let go” but all the emotion that the writers wanted to wring from us during those scenes as they originally aired was dishonest. Locke’s confession as to how he lost his legs in the alt timeline and how it mad his dad a vegetable.

not real.

Sun getting shot and at death’s door? omg. the tension!

nah, just fooling. she’s already dead.

Ben putting his daughter ahead of his own personal gain for once in his life?

doesn’t matter. he knows this is all a figment of his imagination now. she’s not real. he doesn’t have a second chance.

all the emotional beats - all the "character development" - that the writers attempted to add to the characters via this alt timeline in season 6 is complete bullshit. they’re dead.

and they ended up using Mr Exposition Man in the last 10 minutes of the show to explain all this.

ugh.

the last ten minutes of The End retroactively fucked up the entire 6th season.

Even though alternate timeline wasn't real I think it successfully showed what the character's lives would have been like had the island not existed don't you think?
 
StoOgE said:
I love how I get personally attacked left and right in this thread for having an opinion that people don't agree with.
Like most detractors in this thread. Your opinion has dwindled to nothing but one liners and sarcastic comebacks. People would take you more seriously if you could back it up with something.
 
threenote said:
I'm an atheist as well, and I simply loved the end. It's amazing how the writers made that final scene appreciable to people of any spiritual beliefs.

Kind of in the same corner, also loved the end...
 
Godfather 3 was just as good as Godfather 1 and 2. Godfather 3's plot was irrelevant, it was all about Michael Corleone's character. It was a character driven movie!
 
Solo said:
Hilarious. Ive now seen about 10 athiests in this thread, myself and yourself included, talk about how perfect the end was.

Dirty heathens know the score.
I'm sure everyone noticed and it was mentioned ad nauseum that in the waiting room, there was a stained glass window showing images of all of the major faiths behind Jack. As an atheist, my girlfriend was annoyed by the religious aspect although it obviously was well received by plenty of them.
 
big ander said:
Thanks for supporting your largely nonsensical opinion with reason.

Man, I'm still in love with this episode.

There are still people talking about plot holes. Whatnplot holes did this create??


Regarding religion: I'm sort of catholic. I don't believe in every element of my faith, but I do think god and world beyond exist. And I loved the episode, again. :lol

Desmond's role takes on a whole new layer of questioning. It would seem he was able to not only travel through time, but also through life and death. This was confirmed when he prophesized to Jack that everything would be okay and that none of what Jack and Locke did in the cave actually mattered. Unless he has some form of "he can see so far into the future, he can even see PAST DEATH" powers.
 
StoOgE said:
You are correct that it would have been horrible because they didn't actually have answers for the mysteries they set up. That is why the whispers didn't make any sense. They clearly were tied to the others so when it was dead people it fell flat.
UGHH THE WHISPERS WERENT WHAT ITHOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THIS SHOW IS AWFUL


I can respect the opinions of people who dislike the finale if they explain their dislike. You're making an awful case here.
 
I'm glad the X timeline paid off in the end. Without it, the finale would have been extremely bland.

However, that didn't make the X-verse any less tedious during the season. It could have been handled much better than it was. Just because it eventually had a satisfactory resolution didn't make it any easier to sit through.
 
StuBurns said:
Really Really Not

Nah, absolutely. As a whole, I'd put 6 at the bottom of the list. The finale may have been the best episode of the show but the season as a whole was disappointing. Still great television usually though.
 
Meier said:
As an atheist, my girlfriend was annoyed by the religious aspect although it obviously was well received by plenty of them.
Did Desmond's Christ-beard and him saving the world piss her off too?
 
pxleyes said:
Like most detractors in this thread. Your opinion has dwindled to nothing but one liners and sarcastic comebacks. People would take you more seriously if you could back it up with something.

There are several posts that are meaty on this page from me.

Last night I was posting paragraphs of info and Costanza was coming back with nothing but name calling. And yes, being called not a true fan because I didn't "get" the ending is as stupid as the person who claimed atheists couldn't enjoy it a few pages back.
 
PSGames said:
Even though alternate timeline wasn't real I think it successfully showed what the character's lives would have been like had the island not existed don't you think?


no, not at all.

why? because it is strongly hinted in the real world that if the island doesn’t exist, then the light within the island, or the evil corked inside will escape and fuck everything up.

so the real world without an island is not the same as this fantasy world without an island but with all these souls bumping into each other.

things in the real world would apparently be much, much worse. hence the sacrifice of so many characters to keep the island safe in the real world.
 
BertramCooper said:
I'm glad the X timeline paid off in the end. Without it, the finale would have been extremely bland.

However, that didn't make the X-verse any less tedious during the season. It could have been handled much better than it was. Just because it eventually had a satisfactory resolution didn't make it any easier to sit through.
One thing the ending does is actually make the sideways even less meaningful. Until they 'wake up', those characters are truly meaningless.
 
Aesius said:
A finale focusing primarily on mysteries would have been HORRIBLE. Did you not see how poorly they handled the whispers?

And that wasn't even entirely the writers fault. Answers are inherently far less satisfying than intriguing questions. There will always be a feeling of......."that's it?" when answers (especially to long standing mysteries) are revealed.
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Ceres said:
Oddly enough, Ceasar was supposed to have a bigger role this season but the actor was tied to other projects so had to back out as he didn't have the time to commit to the entire season.

Wonder if it has anything to do with that rumor that was floating around that Ilanna was Jacob's daughter :lol
 
Alucard said:
Desmond's role takes on a whole new layer of questioning. It would seem he was able to not only travel through time, but also through life and death. This was confirmed when he prophesized to Jack that everything would be okay and that none of what Jack and Locke did in the cave actually mattered. Unless he has some form of "he can see so far into the future, he can even see PAST DEATH" powers.
Well, if we go the heavy science route: everything was caused by EM, even heaven
and the x timeline. Since Desmond has a special relationship with EM, he can view the EM-created afterlife.
 
StoOgE said:
You are correct that it would have been horrible because they didn't actually have answers for the mysteries they set up. That is why the whispers didn't make any sense. They clearly were tied to the others so when it was dead people it fell flat.

Yeah, opinions are one thing. But here, you don't know what you're talking about remotely.

The whispers being ghosts have always been one of the biggest theories, if not the biggest. It even makes sense when in context with what the whispers were saying.
 
I don't think I can watch this episode again today. Maybe tomorrow.

That entire final montage will be fucking hard on me. Again.

I literally was sobbing, very loudly at that point. Like, my shoulders were moving and shaking with my tears. It was nuts.
 
Alucard said:
Desmond's role takes on a whole new layer of questioning. It would seem he was able to not only travel through time, but also through life and death. This was confirmed when he prophesized to Jack that everything would be okay and that none of what Jack and Locke did in the cave actually mattered. Unless he has some form of "he can see so far into the future, he can even see PAST DEATH" powers.

He saw a glimpse of the other world as a near death experience. Just like Juliet saw it as she was dying, except he didn't die.
 
I've been a devoted Lost fan for all 6 seasons. But I completely hated the finale. :(

Ah well... I should just come to accept my suspicion that over 6 seasons of misdirection, they dug them selves in a hole far too deep to ever crawl out of.
 
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