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[thekad]

I love that the thread hivemind right now is pushing that it's about the characters and has always been about the characters. Where did you people come from? It seems like in every Lost thread before this, everyone's been completely focused on the mysteries. To the point of "ugh, kill Kate off so we can move on."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=396084&page=12

My top 5 five character's
1.Jack/Locke
2.Kate
3.Sawyer
4.Ben
5.Vincent

Locke
Jack
Eko
Ben
Desmond

Desmond
Faraday
Sawyer
Locke
Karl

1. Locke
2. Ben
3. Desmond
4. Jack
5. James

1. Locke
2. Desmond
3. Juliet
4. Jin
5. The Monster

1. Jack
2. Desmond
3. Sayid
4. Sawyer/Locke X
5. Juliet

Jack
Locke
Desmond
Ben
Sawyer

1) Locke
2) Ben
3) Sayid
4) Desmond
5) Juliet

1. Locke
2. Ben
3. Desmond
4. Hurley
5. that's it, that's the entire list

1. Locke
2. Ben
3. Juliet
4. Desmond
5. Faraday

1. Juliet
2. Desmond
3. Miles
4. Sawyer
5. Rose & Bernard

Man I love those two so much

There's more.

 

[NinjaCodah]

A finale focusing primarily on mysteries would have been HORRIBLE. Did you not see how poorly they handled the whispers?

And that wasn't even entirely the writers fault. Answers are inherently far less satisfying than intriguing questions. There will always be a feeling of......."that's it?" when answers (especially to long standing mysteries) are revealed.

The writers had over 3 years to come up with something good regarding all the mysteries. Personally i liked the finale episode itself. As a conclusion it's excellent. But this season chose to completely ignore a lot of things that were introduced in previous seasons, and i believe that what's making the overall show somewhat average.

Ok, maybe not "average", but certainly not epic.

 

[big ander]

I don't think I can watch this episode again today. Maybe tomorrow.

That entire final montage will be fucking hard on me. Again.

I literally was sobbing, very loudly at that point. Like, my shoulders were moving and shaking with my tears. It was nuts.

Yeah. I seriously don't have the energy to watch it again.

 

[Amneisac]

All of these "Oh, I pity these people who can't just enjoy this ending! -- You never really got/enjoyed the show!" posts are grating my nerves.

The finale was great as far as how it was produced, the acting was good, and sure it wrapped things up with a bow and that's fine. I'm not asking for a two hour breakdown of the physics behind every mystery and its explanation, but you people are seriously cheating your intelligence by embracing this finale as a fitting end to a terrific show.

Also, I thought the island was going to be inside the belly of a giant space worm with how that camera was shaking, amirite!?

Edited to add:

And having Jack die next to Vincent at the end was basically the writers saying, "We can't come up with a fulfilling ending, so here's some sappy emotional apology ending for you to have a good cry and remember only the good times."

 

[Ceres]

Ben - Getting the shit beat out of him

That was the best part of the recap. Every scene of Ben getting his ass kicked all in a row. :lol

 

[bachikarn]

Yeah, opinions are one thing. But here, you don't know what you're talking about remotely.

The whispers being ghosts have always been one of the biggest theories, if not the biggest. It even makes sense when in context with what the whispers were saying.

I don't know. It was heavily implied to be the Others for a while, but sometimes it seemed like it could be something else (they happened at the cabin and when Christian appeared to Michael on the freighter). To deny they were never implied to be the Others is retarded because David Fury said that is what they were in Season 1. Besides the instances I said, they always seemed to accompany the Others.

 

[YoungHav]

:lol God bless the poor bastards that spent 5+yrs theorizing on stuff.

 

[Spire]

There's more.

Find some threads from season one that are mainly character chat and then you might begin to have a point.

 

[Aesius]

:lol God bless the poor bastards that spent 5+yrs theorizing on stuff.

I loved every second of it.

 

[StoOgE]

UGHH THE WHISPERS WERENT WHAT ITHOUGHT THEY WOULD BE THIS SHOW IS AWFUL


I can respect the opinions of people who dislike the finale if they explain their dislike. You're making an awful case here.

The whispers didn't make sense in the context of the show. Go back and listen for the whispers.. the dead people explenation was a hack job that doesn't fit with when they showed up.

And again, I didn't like the ending because

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt. 2) The point of the island (what was the light.. why should I care about the light, why should I care if the smoke monster wins). I guess some people said the world would be bad.. but there was no weight to it 3) Sharks (ok, I guess the sharks aren't that important.. but still.. where did they go?) 4) What was the sickness exactly?

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

4) Incomplete character arcs. Outside of Jack, no one got a complete character arc from the story.. it just ended.. and then we got a cast reunion in a church. MiB vs Jacob being ambiguous was half the point of the season and they just dropped that story.

I could go on, but I digress.

over 6 seasons of misdirection, they dug them selves in a hole far too deep to ever crawl out of.

This is pretty much what happened.

 

[criesofthepast]

Going to re-watch the finale right now with a nice cold beer on this damn beautiful day in Toronto.

 

[Nameless]

not sure if this was asked yet but if timeline x was the waiting room for those who died then why was aaron born there again?

because it wasn't a "waiting room". Ghosts aren't passangers on planes, Ghost's don't lock each other in freezers, ghosts don't get shot and die, ghost don't have children and use hospitals. Everything in the Flashsideways was real.

It was a legitimate timeline created by their own actions. Those who "woke up", those who had a connection with each other from the island had the choice to move on.

 

[Alucard]

He saw a glimpse of the other world as a near death experience. Just like Juliet saw it as she was dying, except he didn't die.

Okay, that is perfectly satisfying to me. It also makes Juliet's "it worked" comment perfect.

 

[selig]

Btw. for all the nay-sayers:

Isnt it possible that the authors might make an alternate ending at some point? Similar to "End of Evangelion". A less mindfucking ending, more "realistic" one. An ending that´s the exact opposite: Focusing on scientific facts. Explaining MiB´s power, explaining the island, explaining what happened when the bomb exploded and so on.

 

[itsinmyveins]

Find some threads from season one that are mainly character chat and then you might begin to have a point.

Well, clearly a character returning from the dead is considered character development rather than some type of mystery.

 

[mehdi_san]

When did Ben get released from under that heavy tree? I thought he was gonna die there, but then he magically appeared with Sawyer and Kate on that cliff, just after Lock's death?
Outside this little weird thing, the finale was very satisfying, loved it.

 

[JesseZao]

I've been a devoted Lost fan for all 6 seasons. But I completely hated the finale.

Ah well... I should just come to accept my suspicion that over 6 seasons of misdirection, they dug them selves in a hole far too deep to ever crawl out of.

You can't control every string theory.

 

[flyover]

not sure if this was asked yet but if timeline x was the waiting room for those who died then why was aaron born there again?

Because when he dies, even if it's of old age, he is doomed to spend eternity as a mewling newborn.

 

[Gareth Bale]

Didn't anyone notice the church window? Not sticking to a particular religion there, even though they're in a church as opposed to a mosque or synagoge.

 

[LCfiner]

I’ve been pretty negative about the last ten minutes of the show as I hated the whole purgatory angle, but I did like Jack’s death. that segment made those final minutes bearable for me.

I liked how he saw the plane flying away and had some peace before dying. And, yeah, I liked the shot of the closing eye as a fitting end to the show. it was a predictable shot but, I think, well earned.


I’m still an alt timeline hater. :|

 

[kame-sennin]

So am I the only one unhappy with the ending not because it didn’t answer questions about the Island (I felt pretty satisfied with that stuff) but because it doesn’t really close the stories of any of the characters?

the positive reviews keep saying that its all about the characters and their redemption and coming to terms with their lives and “closing out their stories" but none of those things mean anything if it only happens once they’re dead.

The entire LA X timeline is one big “it’s all a dream” rug pull. who cares if John Locke has surgery to fix his legs if he’s not a corporeal entity?

yes, I get that it was needed for him to “let go” but all the emotion that the writers wanted to wring from us during those scenes as they originally aired was dishonest. Locke’s confession as to how he lost his legs in the alt timeline and how it mad his dad a vegetable.

not real.

Sun getting shot and at death’s door? omg. the tension!

nah, just fooling. she’s already dead.

Ben putting his daughter ahead of his own personal gain for once in his life?

doesn’t matter. he knows this is all a figment of his imagination now. she’s not real. he doesn’t have a second chance.

all the emotional beats - all the "character development" - that the writers attempted to add to the characters via this alt timeline in season 6 is complete bullshit. they’re dead.

and they ended up using Mr Exposition Man in the last 10 minutes of the show to explain all this.

ugh.

the last ten minutes of The End retroactively fucked up the entire 6th season.

Soooo perfectly sums up my feelings. I was actually enjoying the X timeline until that very last scene. Now, I know all the drama and tension has just been the main cast fucking around in St. Peter's lobby. Bullshit.

 

[Aesius]

When did Ben get released from under that heavy tree? I thought he was gonna die there, but then he magically appeared with Sawyer and Kate on that cliff, just after Lock's death?
Outside this little weird thing, the finale was very satisfying, loved it.

It was probably in a deleted scene.

I think MC 900 foot Walt appeared and flicked the tree off with his pinky.

 

[The Elite]

Didn't anyone notice the church window? Not sticking to a particular religion there, even though they're in a church as opposed to a mosque or synagoge.

It was the first thing I noticed in that scene. I thought it was some sort of new-fangled New Age chapel before Christian dropped the dead bomb.

 

[zerodayPopbot]

Pretty amazing actually. Was expecting it to answer a bunch of questions, when the writers knew better, that the most important part of the show are the characters.

 

[Zoe]

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

Regarding Faraday, I think that's why he wasn't ready to move on. All of the others understood what had happened to them and that they needed to leave that place, but Faraday was still under the belief that there was something else going on.

 

[YoungHav]

I've been a devoted Lost fan for all 6 seasons. But I completely hated the finale.

Ah well... I should just come to accept my suspicion that over 6 seasons of misdirection, they dug them selves in a hole far too deep to ever crawl out of.

Exactly. If you have any experience in writing fiction or have seen better programming, you can only come to this conclusion. If Lost were put in book form, it would be gibberish as far as plotpoints introduced and then forfeited or given an explanation that was all too convenient.

 

[gdt]

Btw. for all the nay-sayers:

Isnt it possible that the authors might make an alternate ending at some point? Similar to "End of Evangelion". A less mindfucking ending, more "realistic" one. An ending that´s the exact opposite: Focusing on scientific facts. Explaining MiB´s power, explaining the island, explaining what happened when the bomb exploded and so on.

That is re-fucking-tarded.

 

[yacobod]

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt.

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

if you held on to the dream that they were going to explain walt by s4, you've got to be kidding me, but i totally agree with the sayid/shannon flash of conscience in the alt purgatory, i wish they would have handled sayid's flash differently for all the reasons you mentioned

 

[Dez]

Find some threads from season one that are mainly character chat and then you might begin to have a point.

A large portion of the appeal of season 1 was the flashbacks to find out who the survivors were. I don't think you can deny that the characters were the main focus back then. It's season 2-5 where the mythology became more important. The writers decided to focus on season 1 this year and give closure to the characters, most likely because they couldn't come up with a good way to close the mythology. (see across the sea). What we got out of it was an absolutely beautiful episode that will resonate for a while.

 

[Alucard]

So, when the writers said they "knew" what the ending of the show would be all along, did they mean the afterlife scenario, or did they simply mean, "Dude, we start the show with a plane crash and focus on ONE GUY opening his eye in a jungle. The show will follow the adventures of this guy on the island; there will be some trials and tribulations and ultimate redemption for him. At the END of the show, he finds his way back to the same spot where he began, only this time he CLOSES his eye to CLOSE the show. Fucking EMMY all over that shit, bro!"

 

[LCfiner]

Didn't anyone notice the church window? Not sticking to a particular religion there, even though they're in a church as opposed to a mosque or synagoge.

donkey wheel is a religion now?

 

[big ander]

The whispers didn't make sense in the context of the show. Go back and listen for the whispers.. the dead people explenation was a hack job that doesn't fit with when they showed up.

And again, I didn't like the ending because

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt. 2) The point of the island (what was the light.. why should I care about the light, why should I care if the smoke monster wins). I guess some people said the world would be bad.. but there was no weight to it 3) Sharks (ok, I guess the sharks aren't that important.. but still.. where did they go?) 4) What was the sickness exactly?

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

4) Incomplete character arcs. Outside of Jack, no one got a complete character arc from the story.. it just ended.. and then we got a cast reunion in a church. MiB vs Jacob being ambiguous was half the point of the season and they just dropped that story.

I could go on, but I digress.

The whispers do fit. They occurred along with the others, with the cabin, and more. They're just always on the island.

The characters said that about LAX cause they hadn't realized they were dead yet.

The point of the island: it keeps everything everywhere alive.

The sickness was psychological.

The rest is opinion that you're free to disagree on.

 

[antiloop]

Pretty indifferent to this ending after all that has happened in the series.. Oh well it was a nice ride..

Started watching this spring 2005 and didn't know anything about it.. a friend recommended it. It turned out totally different to what I imagined after watching S1.

Pretty funny how they managed to do a "happily ever after" ending.

 

[woodchuck]

The more I think about it, the more I hate the LA X timeline. It only served as fan service, to reunite old characters, and to give them a happy ending.

I could really have done without it. I LOVED everything that happened on-island this season. Now I wish they ditched the flash-sideways and just focused on-island and fleshed out all the mysteries and stuff. There was still a ton of character stuff that happened on-island too.

 

[Kabuki Quantum Lover]

I don't watch Lost directly (vicariously through the GFW/Geekbox podcast), but those wanting scientific explanations for everything need to really consider what they wish for. The finale as it is was (imo) a little too melodramatic, but I thought it was a good way of closing the series. I could imagine Lost going the way of MGS4 and overexplaining every single aspect of the series, forever ruining the mystery and magic of the experience.

 

[Aesius]

The whispers didn't make sense in the context of the show. Go back and listen for the whispers.. the dead people explenation was a hack job that doesn't fit with when they showed up.

And again, I didn't like the ending because

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt. 2) The point of the island (what was the light.. why should I care about the light, why should I care if the smoke monster wins). I guess some people said the world would be bad.. but there was no weight to it 3) Sharks (ok, I guess the sharks aren't that important.. but still.. where did they go?) 4) What was the sickness exactly?

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

4) Incomplete character arcs. Outside of Jack, no one got a complete character arc from the story.. it just ended.. and then we got a cast reunion in a church. MiB vs Jacob being ambiguous was half the point of the season and they just dropped that story.

I could go on, but I digress.

 

[Krev]

"End of Evangelion"...less mindfucking

:lol :lol :lol

I'm surprised people haven't made the 'Titanic' ending connection yet.

 

[The Elite]

donkey wheel is a religion now?

They should have put the Dharma symbol up there.

 

[thekad]

Find some threads from season one that are mainly character chat and then you might begin to have a point.

Just took a quick look in the finale thread for Season 1. Here's the second reply.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48272

Everyone should have seen it by now so i'm posting about events that happened in this episode.

Favorite Scenes:
1. Jin and Sun
2. Sawyer revealing to Jack that he met his father in the bar
3. Walt giving Vincent to Shannon (Holy Crap is she a bitch, the shit she did to Sayid... wow)

I'm sure there were more scenes but those really stood out.

This episode was so good. CAn't wait till next week.

Yeah, no one cares about the characters. Is Heroes on?

 

[ErasureAcer]

donkey wheel is a religion now?

Buddhism buddy.

 

[Ceres]

donkey wheel is a religion now?

Buddhist symbol. http://www.google.com/search?q=budd...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[Nameless]

The whispers didn't make sense in the context of the show. Go back and listen for the whispers.. the dead people explenation was a hack job that doesn't fit with when they showed up.

And again, I didn't like the ending because

1) LAX timeline was a complete waste of everyones time filled with a ton of red-herrings thrown in just to intentionally confuse us (Desmond flashing on the plane, island at bottom of the ocean, Faraday saying he already set off the bomb and thats why they were in LAX timeline).

2) Failing to explain very important mysteries on the show: 1) Walt. 2) The point of the island (what was the light.. why should I care about the light, why should I care if the smoke monster wins). I guess some people said the world would be bad.. but there was no weight to it 3) Sharks (ok, I guess the sharks aren't that important.. but still.. where did they go?) 4) What was the sickness exactly?

3) Characters acting out of characters. See my many posts about Sayid winding up with Shannon instead of Nadia in lost heaven. Makes no sense. That Shannon-Sayid storyline was ill concieved from the get-go and the writers pretty much ignored it right after it happened and went right back to Sayid being all about Nadia.. until last night.

4) Incomplete character arcs. Outside of Jack, no one got a complete character arc from the story.. it just ended.. and then we got a cast reunion in a church. MiB vs Jacob being ambiguous was half the point of the season and they just dropped that story.

I could go on, but I digress.

-Desmond didn't "flash on the plane" he was a passenger on 815 in that time line.

-How the fuck was Walt important? He's appeared on the show 2-3 times since the end of the first season. How have the writers giving us a bunch of useless exposition on him obstructed your understanding of anything that you've seen.

-Sharks were brought to the Island by dharma. Hence the Dharma logo on that one shark's tail. Also if you noticed in season 3 while Kate & Sawyer were being held in Polar bear cages, jack was being held in a shark tank.

-How was MIB/Jacob inconclusive? There was nothing inconclusive about it.

-They said all along they wouldn't say implicitly what the island was.It's your fault for not believing them that you're disappointed.

you seemed confused about alot of this shit, dude.

 

[StuBurns]

Didn't anyone notice the church window? Not sticking to a particular religion there, even though they're in a church as opposed to a mosque or synagoge.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2vls74k.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
I didn't notice that, but there were Buddha'a and all sorts of shit in that room. I thought that was very cool actually.

 

[KevinCow]

Lost has been equally about the mysteries and the characters to me. If you'd taken away either, the show wouldn't have been as great as it was. Just look at all the Lost imitators throughout the years - Heroes, FlashForward, V, whatever - to see what Lost would have been without interesting and likable characters. And just look at any other serial drama to see Lost without the mysteries. The two aspects of the show complement each other and interest me in different ways, and overall delivers and experience that I haven't found anywhere else.

In the end, I'd say I was 100% satisfied from a character standpoint and 80-90% satisfied from a mystery standpoint. There are still some questions that weren't answered - Walt, the cabin, Miles and Hurley's powers, among other things - but fuck it, they answered the major things for me.

 

[YoungHav]

So is the bar set lower for writing because this show is science fiction? Has there been a science fiction equivalent (from a writing standpoint) to The Wire yet?

 

[criesofthepast]

Why did Kate laugh in the car with Desmond when he told her who's coffin that was? She's all like "lol Christian Shephard?"

I must have missed something.

 

[pxleyes]

All of these "Oh, I pity these people who can't just enjoy this ending! -- You never really got/enjoyed the show!" posts are grating my nerves.

The finale was great as far as how it was produced, the acting was good, and sure it wrapped things up with a bow and that's fine. I'm not asking for a two hour breakdown of the physics behind every mystery and its explanation, but you people are seriously cheating your intelligence by embracing this finale as a fitting end to a terrific show.

Also, I thought the island was going to be inside the belly of a giant space worm with how that camera was shaking, amirite!?

Edited to add:

And having Jack die next to Vincent at the end was basically the writers saying, "We can't come up with a fulfilling ending, so here's some sappy emotional apology ending for you to have a good cry and remember only the good times."

You aren't doing yourself any favors. Might want to rethink your position before you become yet another troll in this thread.

 

[StoOgE]

The whispers do fit. They occurred along with the others, with the cabin, and more. They're just always on the island.

The characters said that about LAX cause they hadn't realized they were dead yet.

The point of the island: it keeps everything everywhere alive.

The sickness was psychological.

The rest is opinion that you're free to disagree on.

But why did Desmond flash off and on the plane? Why was the island burried in X-timeline?

They served no purpose other than cheap parlour tricks to keep the audience guessing as to what was going on/think something more important was at stake.

 

[LCfiner]

Buddhism buddy.

It’s all in jack’s mind and it’s all connected to the Island so it’s perfectly logical to say donkey wheel.

Spoiler

ok, I stand corrected

 

[Deleted member 20415]

When did Ben get released from under that heavy tree? I thought he was gonna die there, but then he magically appeared with Sawyer and Kate on that cliff, just after Lock's death?
Outside this little weird thing, the finale was very satisfying, loved it.

Cutting room floor. When push came to shove and they needed to fit something else in, things got cut. The struggle to free Ben isn't anywhere near as interesting as the stuff in the church, so they cut out the tree-freeing sequence and just fast forward a bit.

He got out, that's all that's important.