LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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Solo said:
He was there because his fists were the keys to Ben's enlightenment, not to hit Locke again.
OptimoPeach
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Sorry, black people not married to white people. And I doubt God is very happy about such a technicalitythekad said:
Iron E Man
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Jesus I was not expecting this to be at 127
Anyways my mind is still trying recoup I really need to re watch the finale soon.
Anyways my mind is still trying recoup I really need to re watch the finale soon.
Nameless
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sazabirules said:
I'm an atheist and I loved it. It was actually the perfect balance of science and faith since they in essence created their own pre afterlife/purgatory. A place where their consciousness could reunite after they had died in the original time line, a place where they could have a second chance at life.
edit: people are taking "purgatory" too literally.
It was a real timelined that served as a purgatory of sorts. It wasn't a biblical purgatory.
TheGreatDave
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Fuck, I totally missed that.Zoe said:
Anton Sugar
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SimleuqiR said:
Zoe said:
Why wasn't it bleeding like the neck scar?
Who was talking about that? I was referring to the fact that all the mysteries are explained away in the name of character development as if the two things were mutually exclusive. Actually, I take it back, it was Spire who made that point more eloquently. Btw, I never once insulted anyone in this thread but you seem to be taking my posts rather seriously. If you think we're trying to agitate you, then perhaps you should take that into account before getting so riled up.Kuroyume said:
I'm not sure what you mean. In the 'real world' he had an appendicitis out during season four. In the X-world he shouldn't have had that operation because it took place after 2003. However he had still had it, so he called his mom to find out when.Zoe said:
I don't think it's unLocke's stab mark.
I thought one of the best parts of the episode is how Locke was right all along and was vindicated in the end. Against all logic Locke always believed that there was more to the island than meets the eye and that it needed to be protected. He never got to fulfill his destiny of protecting the island, but as people already said, Jack was ultimately inspired by Locke and ended up fulfilling his destiny for him.Drey1082 said:
I liked that Ben redeemed himself too.
I am still unsure how I feel about the sideways now that I know what it is, but for me that finale was pretty much perfect. I really felt exhausted by the end of it.
The only question I have is about them showing the island underwater. The island doesn't seem to exist in purgatory, but why not? Does it have something to with the journey between heaven and hell? That was one thing I wish I had an answer for.
John Harker
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Nameless said:
Here we actually disagree. Jughead didn't factually do anything in terms of the 'flash sideways narrative'. Jack was wrong, and even admitted it. The term "flash sideways" is itself the final red herring, they weren't flashing to anything... this was a reality created after death by those whose journey we saw in life. This was their journey after death.
As Locke said after he awakened: Jack had no son. None of these people were real. I know some people will be disappointed with this, but this was the ending for those "men of faith." LOST was a journey from birth to death and after for these characters, and all we saw this season was the culmination of that. There was no part of the sideways that even existed that wasn't part of these LOST characters lives. The island was sunk because they needed to move on from it - it even needed to EXIST because some of them were born on it (Charlotte, Miles, etc). Even Ben visited the Island, but we learned in the flash sideways they moved off it young.
The island needed to go away for everyone to continue to exist and reunite, so in this purgatory, it was removed. In that sense, the 'bomb worked' - but again, it was all a spiritual illusion. Until each person "awakened" - i.e., came to the realization and acceptance of their own mortal death, they are born, died, and renewed within this karma cycle. Some people are ready (Jack, Locke, everyone we saw in Church) some are not (Ben, Ana Lucia as told by Desmond, Hawkings, etc) and some never will (Michael, Whispers, etc). After these people in the Church go to their deserved afterlife, all that will not touch the remaining people still in this purgatory lives... ceases to be.
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LM4sure said:
Guess I'm in the minority but I believe the flash Sideways to be a true reality. So they all existed. It was just another level crucial to the Losties reaching their Nirvana (or whatever you want to call it). There was character development going on there, so I consider it a legit existence.
Solo said:
He wasn't he just wanted to talk to him. Right?
Anton Sugar
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John Harker said:
Bingo. This is exactly how I see the "island". It worked/the island is sunken in their "purgatory" because that's the way they wanted to all meet up after death--not on the island again but together in the same city.
Kitschkraft
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John Harker said:
EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!
100 percent on point.
sazabirules
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Solo said:
Yes I have been reading this thread but I actually want to see a valid argument from the nonreligious people who disliked it.
DancingCactus77
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No joke.
The OC Ending > LOST Ending
The OC Ending > LOST Ending
John Harker said:
Jughead did one thing, which was vital - it blew the Losties back to 2007. If that didnt happen, MIB would have succeeded in his plan. I mean, Jacob was already dead, so if the Losties were stuck in 1977, all MIB needed to do was get Sun killed, and boom: world ends.
So Jughead served a very important purpose. But yes, it had nothing to do with the X-timeline, which we now know wasnt a timeline at all.
Anton Sugar
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TheGreatDave said:
Still doesn't explain why the nick on his neck was bleeding (intense scene, btw), but the hole in his ribs was completely healed.
You're not missing much, but I'll try and explain what's in there that I was referring to then.koam said:
There is a thing called the Nexus. This world is between life and death, but it's eternal, there is no real progress, it's at a fixed time, almost like a ground hog day, but because the person in it controls the world, they can still cause a sense of progression despite time not existing there.
My belief is that version of Jack would have not aged, he would have just been waiting to wake up that whole time. The same thing for everyone. This is why Kate is still about 30, Locke is still about 50 etc. It's the age they were when they were on the island, the most significant period of their life.
Ummm, what you say?DancingCactus77 said:
Anton Sugar
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Apoc29 said:
Yes. They were just a part of the world they created to find each other.
And as Solo said, Jughead DID work--it moved them back to 2007, where they needed to be to finish what was started.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Solo said:
Yea, I need to revise that. I meant it did nothing in terms of creating alt time lines. It did in fact 'save the world,' so to speak, as it prevented the EM from erupting and killing everyone on the island, possibly even putting out The Source, torches go out in our hearts, whatever - but what APPEARED to those left on the Island, like Dr. Cheng, etc... they saw nothing. No explosion, no creation of a new timeline, no anything. Just a buncha people vanish.
Man, I just thought of something!!
The writers could have explained the mystery about the bird that yelled "Hurley" in a cool way. They could have shown that the bird was Jacob's pet. And since Jacob knows the names of the candidates, the bird could be just repeating something that it heard (assuming it is a parrot).
Missed opportunity!!
The writers could have explained the mystery about the bird that yelled "Hurley" in a cool way. They could have shown that the bird was Jacob's pet. And since Jacob knows the names of the candidates, the bird could be just repeating something that it heard (assuming it is a parrot).
Missed opportunity!!
MiamiWesker
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I was having a discussion (focused on Sayid's true love) on a different forum but I will share it here as well. My thoughts on the sideways is this.
The way I see it with the alt, it was a place created by the losties, it focused on their time on the island. I am sure a bunch of them have loved ones after or before the island but that place was for their time on the island. The storylines throughout the season was their visions of the kind of life they wanted to have but it was still tainted by guilt or that ability to not let go. For Sayid he loved Nadia, but even in the alt he couldn't have her, she was like goal unreachable and Sayid blames himself cause of the guy he was, he did many bad things in his life and he could let go of it. Kate was arrested again but in this world she says she is innocent, she desperately wants to believe what she did was right, she doesn't consider herself a murderer but that guilt rages on. Jack created a son cause of his father issues and so on. In the end they all learned to let go of the life they wanted to have and accept what happened. That world and church was only for them, not the others they loved, it was a place to reconnect about what happened on the island. For all of them the most important time of their life was the time they spent on the island, as Jacob said they were all alone until they met each other there. This was like their afterlife reunion.
The way I see it with the alt, it was a place created by the losties, it focused on their time on the island. I am sure a bunch of them have loved ones after or before the island but that place was for their time on the island. The storylines throughout the season was their visions of the kind of life they wanted to have but it was still tainted by guilt or that ability to not let go. For Sayid he loved Nadia, but even in the alt he couldn't have her, she was like goal unreachable and Sayid blames himself cause of the guy he was, he did many bad things in his life and he could let go of it. Kate was arrested again but in this world she says she is innocent, she desperately wants to believe what she did was right, she doesn't consider herself a murderer but that guilt rages on. Jack created a son cause of his father issues and so on. In the end they all learned to let go of the life they wanted to have and accept what happened. That world and church was only for them, not the others they loved, it was a place to reconnect about what happened on the island. For all of them the most important time of their life was the time they spent on the island, as Jacob said they were all alone until they met each other there. This was like their afterlife reunion.
Kitschkraft
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Apoc29 said:
It's either : 1) Their collective conscious using these old "forms" from their "physical lives". The could not even be "real", like Jacks "son".
2) Maybe they are on their own journeys, and they will move on in their own time.The show has ALWAYS been about how everyone is "connected" somehow. Whether it be Kate meeting Cassidy, or Lockes dad being the man that conned and killed Sawyers parents. Now we know that they were connected in the afterlife as well, who knows, maybe these other people were as well.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Oh God that would've been hilarious though! :lol :lol :lolgumshoe said:
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But, I thought when you died on your island your soul was trapped there, so that you could whisper at people?
I would pretty much have been fine if there has been no flash-sideways throughout this whole season. There wouldn't have been any super-final-ultimate closure, but Jack closing his eye would have been. I don't know how they would have filled the rest of the time in the episodes but...
I would pretty much have been fine if there has been no flash-sideways throughout this whole season. There wouldn't have been any super-final-ultimate closure, but Jack closing his eye would have been. I don't know how they would have filled the rest of the time in the episodes but...
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