LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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The ending of the show wasn't religious so much as spiritual. There were elements of many different religions, but they were emphasizing the spiritual aspects rather than the mythological. As someone earlier said, if there was one dominant belief, it was Buddhism. Karma. Rebirth. Consciousness. Awakening/Englightenment. Cycles.

Then of course you have the whole "Dharma" Initiative allusion.
 
StuBurns said:
When did he claim that?

When Hurley asked how they would get Desmond off since people couldn't leave the island, and Ben said those were Jacob's rules, and maybe there was a better way to do things.
 
Christian missing from his coffin on the island. Did they explain that? Because MIB doesn't take the physical body, he just appears as him. Unless MIB took Christians body and hid it somewhere.
 
SalsaShark said:
I kinda liked it. I really didnt know what to expect since like someone said, they dropped the whole sci fi aspect of the show and went with mystic faith and stuff, wich i did not like very much. But i guess i liked it. The overhead shots in the jack vs flocke fight as cliche as it may have been, it was fucking epic.

Yeah, I mean I was ready for the mysticism, since it does often make its way into sci-fi stories, but that doesn't mean I have to like it when it does.
 
Zoe said:
When Hurley asked how Desmond would get off the island.
He just said Hurley could run things differently. And why would Ben even know?

I think it's more likely the island itself is what does it. In ATS there is no indication it's any different, if anything, Mother makes it seem that the situation is exactly the same.
 
Byakuya769 said:
As opposed to gun shot wounds. He died from bleeding out after walking across the island, being lowered down by rope (and dropped), and moving rocks and shit. He himself said he could stitch it up with some thread.

When he made the thread joke it was to ease Kate's worry. He knew he was going to die, which is also why he wanted to make restarting the island his final act.
 
GaimeGuy said:
So the man in black, which is apparently the smokey bear monster or whatever and the guy who resurrected sayid from the dead, fights Jack in a battle to the death in the series finale, and Jack finds out that the alternate reality, which, as far as I can tell, has been seen in episodes all the time since like the 2nd season, is simply a singularity that exists outside of the realm of space time, where everyone on the island meets up with
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there’s a lot of wacky shit that goes on in Lost but you’re not doing yourself a service assuming the bolded. it’s obvious that you haven’t watched the show since you’re way wrong about this.

the afterlife bit was limited only to the off island stuff in season 6. everything else happened for real.

yes, even the time travel shit.

and, no, they don’t explain it aside from “electromagnetism” and “magic”


I still like the show, but I stopped caring for answers around the time they started doling them out
 
Lion Heart said:
Also, what was the Lighthouse about, were the images on the mirror from the X timeline?
I'm pretty sure the past. Jack says "that's the house I grew up in"

Mr. Snrub said:
Yeah, except you forgot to watch this entire scene.

Mortal stab wound=Jack thinking, "I am going to die, I might as well do something useful."

Desmond could survive EASILY? Did you not see him crawling in pain and passing out because of it? Who knows if he would have survived it...and that's why Jack did it.
Also, Jack said "go back to Penny and your son"
 
Veidt said:
Sorry I didn't read this earlier, it got buried between all the posts.


ON IT.

Thanks!



Also, maybe it's the romantic in me, but I like to think Kate didn't have sex for the rest of her life and died holding a locket with Jack's picture on it ^_^.
 
Byakuya769 said:
"hey Desmond, I know you could do this and survive easily, but I think i need to do this. I was MEANT TO DO THIS."

"wait, brothah.. oh, well okay. You're pretty persuasive."

"See you in another lifetime."

Gaf - OMG, OMG brilliant!

normal human being - but that doesn't make any sense...

GAF -SHUT UP.

Yeah, except you forgot to watch this entire scene.

Mortal stab wound=Jack thinking, "I am going to die, I might as well do something useful."

Desmond could survive EASILY? Did you not see him crawling in pain and passing out because of it? Who knows if he would have survived it...and that's why Jack did it.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
That finale was embarrassing; really, what was the point of the entire show other than to ask question after question that would never get resolved. After the BSG finale, I figured Lost would go religious too; easier to explain fantasy with fantasy I guess? Utter garbage.

Only if you consider religion fantasy. You are ruining the show for yourself. :lol

And plenty of it got resolved, they just didn't see the reason to bash people over the head over it when from the beginning of the show it was all background stuff.
 
Korey said:
Christian missing from his coffin on the island. Did they explain that? Because MIB doesn't take the physical body, he just appears as him. Unless MIB took Christians body and hid it somewhere.

nope nor did they explain the webisode of Christian telling Vincent to wake up his son after the original crash, since he has work to do (which was cannon).

making up shit as they went along.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Yeah, except you forgot to watch this entire scene.

Mortal stab wound=Jack thinking, "I am going to die, I might as well do something useful."

Desmond could survive EASILY? Did you not see him crawling in pain and passing out because of it? Who knows if he would have survived it...and that's why Jack did it.

Holy shit, is that a Magnolia avatar??
 
SalsaShark said:
I kinda liked it. I really didnt know what to expect since like someone said, they dropped the whole sci fi aspect of the show and went with mystic faith and stuff, wich i did not like very much. But i guess i liked it. The overhead shots in the jack vs flocke fight as cliche as it may have been, it was fucking epic.

for some reason reminded me of the solid vs liquid fight at the end of mgs4.
 
.GqueB. said:
Doesnt explain Penny being there, Wait she was there right?

The love of Penny's life was sort of heavily involved in the island and she became involved through her rescue and her father. She was heavily affected, therefore, she was in the church.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Yeah, except you forgot to watch this entire scene.

Mortal stab wound=Jack thinking, "I am going to die, I might as well do something useful."

Desmond could survive EASILY? Did you not see him crawling in pain and passing out because of it? Who knows if he would have survived it...and that's why Jack did it.

I don't recall because I haven't rewatched it, but didn't Jack say something to him like "Go home and take care of your wife and child?"

Jack had absolutely nothing to live for, so it makes perfect sense that he do it instead of Desmond.
 
Visceir said:
I heard something about the dvd cut having 20 minutes of extra footage? Is there any info on that?

Loved the ending.

Yes, they had to cut 20 minutes from the finale, which will be on the DVD.
 
Byakuya769 said:
nope nor did they explain the webisode of Christian telling Vincent to wake up his son after the original crash, since he has work to do (which was cannon).

making up shit as they went along.
MIB had a very long-running plan. That was him.
I guess I think the body being gone was a red herring. It was just gone. In the jungle somewhere, in the ocean, eaten by a polar bear.
 
I think MIB's conversation with Jack about "old times" kinda makes me think that he does take on a little of the persons personality along with their memories. But I guess it would be hard not to take something with you when you get a huge info dump of a person's whole life experience.
 
big ander said:
MIB had a very long-running plan. That was him.
I guess I think the body being gone was a red herring. It was just gone. In the jungle somewhere, in the ocean, eaten by a polar bear.

MIB needed to fool a DOG into thinking he's a stranger's father?

COME ON.
 
Byakuya769 said:
nope nor did they explain the webisode of Christian telling Vincent to wake up his son after the original crash, since he has work to do (which was cannon).

making up shit as they went along.

Jack had things to do that were essential to MiB's overarching plan. At that point in the timeline, I'm sure he expected the Oceanic Six debacle to solve most if not all of his problems.
 
bill0527 said:
I don't recall because I haven't rewatched it, but didn't Jack say something to him like "Go home and take care of your wife and child?"

Jack had absolutely nothing to live for, so it makes perfect sense that he do it instead of Desmond.
Exactly. Jacks sacrifice was noble and justified.
 
Byakuya769 said:
nope nor did they explain the webisode of Christian telling Vincent to wake up his son after the original crash, since he has work to do (which was cannon).

making up shit as they went along.
When he's being Locke, he acts like he is Locke, no reason to think Christian is any different. I think he takes on some of the personality of the person he looks like. I don't even think he is Jacob's brother, I think that guy died, and Smokey looked like him from then on. And it's canon.
 
Byakuya769 said:
MIB needed to fool a DOG into thinking he's a stranger's father?

COME ON.

Is your avatar someone/you doing Evangelion cosplay? If so, after the way THAT show ended, you're going to hate on the LOST finale? :lol
 
Yeah, there are tons of little things out there that will never get answer. Most of them don't even need to be answered to get the story of lost. Like: What's the deal with putting on Christian's shoes onto Lockes Body??


Anyway, thinking of who managed to get off the island at The End. Claire and Sawyer FINALLY got off the Island. Miles got off after being stranded. Richard is free from Agelessness and the Island. And Frank can go on being a kickass Pilot.

Thinking back, poor Jin...Obviously sad for the whole Ji Yeon thing, but also...he NEVER got off the Island.


Not that they'll ever have anymore footage of post "The End" but with how they left it, Hurley and Ben assuridly got off the island at different points, and would probably go and visit the people that left. Desmond had to have made it off the island too, and finally is free to live out in the world, with no fear of any of the crazyness that followed these people.

Still, how would they explain all of this to the world? Everyone had to know that the Oceanic Six went and crashed in another plane. And the only one to make it back again...Was the Convicted Murderer!?! Not sure that whole 10 year/Don't Leave the State Propbation thing is going to hold up Kate.

The Episode was missing Hurley's Mom, no doubt.
 
Solo said:
I really dont see why they couldnt have had a 3 hour finale at that point and gotten it all in.

Local News?

If they had gone for a three hour finale and started at 8, pushing the start time of the documentary forward 2-hours would have run into news at 6 as well. I think they couldn't interfere with that 11:30pm news spot.
 
Nameless said:
-They said all along they wouldn't say implicitly what the island was.It's your fault for not believing them that you're disappointed.

:lol How is this a suitable answer to anyone? I think I'm gonna write me a series of novels with all these mysterious and convoluted plot points, and then in interviews outside of the work I'm gonna say that answers to my mysterious and convoluted plot points are never coming and you're on the wrong track if you're looking for them. What a sweet gig.
 
Byakuya769 said:
MIB needed to fool a DOG into thinking he's a stranger's father?

COME ON.

MIB didn't need to fool the dog at all. Stop making up stuff as you go along. It was probably easiest for him, just like it was easiest to appear as John Locke after he died.
 
bill0527 said:
I don't recall because I haven't rewatched it, but didn't Jack say something to him like "Go home and take care of your wife and child?"

Jack had absolutely nothing to live for, so it makes perfect sense that he do it instead of Desmond.

Yup, you and Sadist nailed it. Jack's purpose was to save the island--after that, he was quite literally, done. He led/helped bring Desmond to the pool, Desmond made MIB mortal, Jack killed it, and Jack "plugged" the island back in.

In fact, the whole thing was very reminiscent of the hatch, only this time, Jack was the one to use a "key" and keep the island from destroying itself.
 
Solo said:
I really dont see why they couldnt have had a 3 hour finale at that point and gotten it all in.

probably legal/contract issues surrounding with surrounding the affiliates/the local news etc..
 
DrBo42 said:
Is your avatar someone/you doing Evangelion cosplay? If so, after the way THAT show ended, you're going to hate on the LOST finale? :lol

You're going to assume that this is my avatar out of fan adoration and not cosplay ridicule?
 
gdt5016 said:
Thats not true at all.

IIRC, the bonus stuff isn't from the finale. Just extra stuff.

Really? Hmm, I'm too lazy to do a search, but I heard from a Lost fanatic who followed the show religiously (and was disappointed with the lack of explanations at the end) who said that the 20 minutes was from the finale itself.

If anyone can confirm this, that would be cool.
 
TheBranca18 said:
MIB didn't need to fool the dog at all. Stop making up stuff as you go along. It was probably easiest for him, just like it was easiest to appear as John Locke after he died.

Ah ok, so he was just chilling as Christian's body for the entire day. Got ya. Now I see how they can get away with this. People will fill up plot holes for them.
 
Zoe said:
According to Ben it was.

No. It was fact in season 4 that you can't leave the island without knowing the exact coordinates. It's just that Jacob gets to pick and choose who is given that information or who gets a spot on the boat out. Whoever else he might have stabbed in the back along the way, Ben never disobeyed orders he thought were coming from Jacob.
 
StuBurns said:
When he's being Locke, he acts like he is Locke, no reason to think Christian is any different. I think he takes on some of the personality of the person he looks like. I don't even think he is Jacob's brother, I think that guy died, and Smokey looked like him from then on. And it's canon.
No, it's obviously supposed to be Jacob's brother, although your theory seems nice. Their goals are the same (to get off the island, etc).

The lesson is that some people who go into the golden cave you either have to be immune to electromagnetism, be Jacob, or you'll turn into a smoke monster.
 
I bawled during that ending, a fitting finale to the show. It's beautiful, the characters, the story. Of course it has a lot of plot holes and unanswered questions but at this point, it doesn't really bother me. They told their story.

I'm so sad that Lost has ended, since it was such a big part of my life (well the entertainment part) and now there will be an empty hole where no TV show or film can fill unless it's just that, another Lost. Like Blade Runner, Red Dwarf and The Matrix before it. There may not be another TV show like it for me personally for a while anyway. I'll definitely give it a rewatch over the summer and turn my attention to Dexter and videogames to ease the pain.

I love you Lost.
 
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