LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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MMaRsu said:
I've been disappointed in the past two seasons period and had resolved the fact that I would probably be left unsatisfied when the end came around, but I actually liked what happened with the X timeline. Sure, they took up half the season with material so that they could, basically, have one gigantic plate of fan service to deal at the end, but I like the idea that its purgatory so much more than the idea that they somehow changed the past. It even retroactively improves season 5's outcome for me.
Interfectum
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georgc said:
I think it was when desmond punched him.
Drealmcc0y
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Amneisac said:
Why the fuck does it matter who built the statue? :lol :lol :lol
Fucking egyptians done it, weve seen egyptian stuff all over the island, what else is there to know
When did Jacob heal Jack, i cant remember?
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:lolMcBacon said:
brandonh83
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Aaaaannnd I'm off work
WATCHING IT NOW :lol
WATCHING IT NOW :lol
BigFwoosh said:
LA-X - Eloise didn't want Desmond to awaken Faraday, because she wasn't ready for him to move on. She probably feels deep regret for what she did to her son.
Our timeline - Eloise knows what's up because of Faraday's journal, which gives her insight into what has to happen. Faraday had been writing in that journal for a long time and continues to do so while he is on the island. She grows up on the island, meets time travelling faraday, gets pregnant, kills faraday unknowingly, and then finds out that the person she killed is her son. She reads his journal and therefore knows that eventually Faraday has to come to the island, meet people (like Desmond, the losties, etc). This is what makes her seem to be omniscient.
Now i'm not sure if it fits perfectly with the eloise we saw in Desmond's 'flashes before your eyes' episode.. I don't know why Eloise knew a particular person wearing red shoes was going to die - doesn't make sense that Desmond would tell Faraday about that and that he would write it in his journal! But i'm willing to let it slide
Amneisac said:
No Powers existed while there was no light. He dubbed Hurley to be next in line, and it probably transferred as soon as the light came back on. And then he teleported to the same spot MIB's body came from. Hurley never got to Jack to heal him. If he could have.
Amneisac said:
Yeah, if Jack was "like Jacob," which is literally said in the show, shouldn't he have had the same abilities? Or perhaps those abilities were negated once the cork was popped, or Jack just didn't know how to use them?
I remember people theorizing that Jack got some knowledge juice from the wine given to him by Jacob, but it seems like there was no knowledge juice at all, especially when Jack told Hurley that he didn't "feel differently at all" after drinking it. So...yeah, wondering what was up with that.
MMaRsu
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Blader5489 said:
my post from the previous page :
MMaRsu said:Soo this morning I watched it, and already commented here in this thread. On one hand the finale was amazing, especially the on island stuff. However I feel that some things were certainly left unanswered, and it gave me a slightly hollow feeling this morning.
The X timeline or purgatory.. however you want to call it? I loved it, until the moment I found it was purgatory. So just for these Losties, they have been living this life ( well not really living but hey ) in the X timeline, for how long? I find it really weird that that is supposed to be purgatory. Why was it important to send Desmond to that timeline? Ofcourse to get them together, but what the fuck did Widmore have to do with that?
The 'awakening' moments were great and amazing, some made me tear up ( especially Charlie etc ). But the fact that they all had to find eachother before they could move on is kind of ridiculous and puts a downer on the ending imo.
Why was the Island so important? What was the full extend of MIB's power? These are questions which imo are way more important than the purgatory bullshit, and I would have loved to see answers for these questions. I dont give a fuck about the Dharma Fooddrop or who shot at Sawyer in the boat.
Aside from that I feel that I should watch it again right now, after I got home because I stayed up waaaaaaaay too long before I could watch it this morning, and I was pretty fucking beat. Sleepy and half groggy may have impacted my opinion of the end.
Oh and I must say that I REALLY enjoyed the Jack/MIB stuff in this episode
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I don't want to go through all these bitter tears to find the answer...so somebody help me out:
What was with the shoe in the tree?
What was with the shoe in the tree?
Amneisac said:
Oh absolutely. Though it would've been pretty tough for them to explain all that stuff while still making it interesting television. But had they done it right it also would've been an amazing finale though a fundamentally different one than what we got. Whether it would've been better or worse is something we'll never know.
The catch all answer approach would've angered me to no end however.
MMaRsu said:
Yeah, you're right. Though it isn't really a spoiler per se, I can see how someone who hasn't watched it might not want to know that. I edited my post, so if you wanna edit your quote of me everyone will be happy.
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SnakeswithLasers said:
It was a reference to the pilot. The shoe was in the tree as Jack was running through the bamboo forest. It was basically showing that Jack ended up where he started.
Drealmcc0y
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SnakeswithLasers said:
In the first scene of the show where Jack wakes up in the jungle he runs past a shoe, which at the time is just a wtf thing of like why is there a shoe in the tree
BenjaminBirdie
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I'm kind of amazed that I'm even more impressed with the finale today than I was yesterday. The idea the sideways stuff was an exploration of coming to grips with the realities of your life as it was, not as you might have wished it was, is really quite profound to me.
I really didn't pick up on it until Nameless' post, but it just adds a whole new level to an already immensely satisfying finale.
And it also explains SO well why certain people weren't at the church. You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX. For people like Ana Lucia, Ben, Daniel, Charlotte, and Eloise, that is a much harder pill to swallow.
I really didn't pick up on it until Nameless' post, but it just adds a whole new level to an already immensely satisfying finale.
And it also explains SO well why certain people weren't at the church. You have to reach a point where you realize your life really wouldn't have been better off if the plane had landed in LAX. For people like Ana Lucia, Ben, Daniel, Charlotte, and Eloise, that is a much harder pill to swallow.
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wenis said:I feel so vindicated after last nights episode. My doubters got it rubbed in their face
Oh man, I originally read that as "my daughters" and was trying to picture someone taunting a couple of kids. :lol
BigFwoosh said:
The easy answer is that she was like how Desmond became in the end - somehow, she was made privy of the existence of the sideways world. She had always known about it.
She didn't want Desmond to get involved because possibly because thought it would jeopardize her son's entrance to the afterlife.
rooflapimp
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Bitter tears :lolAmneisac said:
It's SUPER SIMPLE.MMaRsu said:
Think of the world, or universe, or whatever, as a jug. And the island is the cork. And if you turn the world upside down, or the universe upside down, without the cork, the liquid will come spilling out, because of gravity.
Still with me?
So basically if the island gets compromised, the liquid will come out and infect the universe. So there's a plug where only Jacob can see, and it emanates golden light, which represents the liquid, I guess. Then if you unplug it, the island destroys itself, like imagine if the cork were to self-destruct. And then the golden light turns to a lava-ish color for some reason. And the waterfall stops. So then you can plug it in again and the cork stops self destructing. Electro-magnetism. And then the waterfall turns back on.
And then the people on the cork eventually die and have a tweet-up in a chapel.
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Blader5489 said:
Without exaggeration it was my favorite episode of the series. Others shared the same sentiments as well. I thought how everything came together was perfect. The music was amazing, the acting brilliant and the ending beautiful & poetic. From the very first scene it grabbed me and 20 some odd hours later it still hasn't let go. Looking forward to watching it again tonight. LOST at it's very best.
It's unfortunate how there seems to be a large group of people online and in the press who didn't get the ending but every second resonated with me. Couldn't have possibly asked for a better ending to my favorite television show of all-time. They exceeded my expectation which I didn't really think was possible.
MMaRsu
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LCfiner said:
Well I doubt it.. I mean they could still have explained that better, and what exactly would happen if the Island was destroyed.
"if this light goes out, all light goes out"..
Uhh yeah that makes perfect sense :lol.
Korey said:
Yeahhh that's super simple
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rooflapimp said:
so bitter :lol
BenjaminBirdie
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Amneisac said:
Read my posts and explain to me at what point through my cogent analysis based on the text of the show my brain shut down.
georgc said:
In What They Died For, when he visited Alex and her mother. She mentioned that he was the closest thing to a father Alex had ever had, and he started crying. It didn't show us the flashes like with everyone else, but it's pretty clear that's where he remembered.
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BenjaminBirdie said:
My problem is in the X timeline...most of the characters didn't come to terms with anything...they saw a flash of their other life... And furthermore, to follow your theory, how was Locke able to walk and having the wife of his dreams in the X timeline not better than the result of his past life (him getting strangled by Ben and dying broken and alone?) I still think his life in the X timeline was better than on the island...
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