MiamiWesker
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Discotheque said:
During the first segment. He just finished trashing jay Leno.
LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)
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During the first segment. He just finished trashing jay Leno.
Discotheque
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MiamiWesker said:
LOL awesome, I'll check it out during the repeat.
Did anybody find Rose and Bernard popping up randomly an absolute copout? They also just explain it away with some bullshit convenient "we broke our rule, we never interfere".
It was all just an excuse to get Vincent to stop by near Jack at the end.
OneEightZero
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duckroll said:
Please? I want to see the orientation video too. ^_^
Magnus said:
Sorry to quote myself here, but to further elaborate on what I mean by this, I'll just say that Ben's scenes on the Island in his episode earlier in the season (I think it was "Dr. Linus") meant infinitely more to me than his final scene in LA X talking with Locke. The LA X characters felt like different people who went through a transformation the audience couldn't take part in, and that was all we had as the end of those characters.
Buckethead
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Still really like the ending a day after, really sticks with you kind of deal.
KamenSenshi
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Maybe the light wasnt at full strength and he managed to escape in time,or it simply "popped"MMAli said:
him out like it did to MiB's body. Why could Hurley become protector with the power being off, it didnt seem like he got that enlightened look unless he had a delayed activation, which seems to be the case.
Discotheque said:
As much as I dislike R&B, I liked that scene. It gave them their goodbye and also reintroducing Vincent while giving Des motivation to follow MiB's lead.
Again, R&B always got under my gristle but I liked that they chose to live on the island while ignoring all the other bullshit.
CabbageRed
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So is Ben still alive on the island or does his story end with other people? Since the customized purgatory was created to help people move on and he stayed there, it seems reasonable that he was just another part of that reality rather than being the actual Ben.
I wonder if some of the people insisting on Purgatory as the catch-all explanation for the show aren't actually complete retards (I'm sure most are though :lol ) and do in fact realize that the characters survived the plane crash and that Seasons 1-6 happened, but that they're trying to suggest that the final ending to the show was implying that part of the purgatorial process began as soon as they arrived on the island, while still alive.
"Purgatory is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment[1] in which the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven. "
So, take out the 'those who die' part and allow the process to begin while still living but about to embark on the most important part of their lives.
I just want to caution against immediately railing on people who use the P-word without seeing how they're using it.
"Purgatory is the condition or process of purification or temporary punishment[1] in which the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for Heaven. "
So, take out the 'those who die' part and allow the process to begin while still living but about to embark on the most important part of their lives.
I just want to caution against immediately railing on people who use the P-word without seeing how they're using it.
NinjaCodah
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Bingo.Magnus said:
StuBurns said:
I was wondering about this. We've been assuming he can only take the form of dead people since forever. Did he actually say as much? Either way, we know that his lying skills are up there with Ben's, so we can't really take anything he says at its word.
Were all the apparitions on the island Smokey? Why would it become Kate's horse? Why would it become a spider to kill Nikki and Paulo? It would make perfect sense if it was Dave, since the episode ended with him trying to get Hurley to jump off a cliff... except he's not a dead person. And then the various Walts appearing around the island to various people.
TheGreatDave
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"you were a great number two"CabbageRed said:
Snuggler said:
Not really. There were candidates in the Dharma Initiative.
Dharma was just the vehicle that brought candidates like Chang and Horace to the island, just like Oceanic 815 was the vehicle that brought candidates among the Losties to the island or like how Widmore's freighter was the vehicle that brought candidates like Naomi and Faraday/Miles/Charlotte to the island.
thetrin
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CabbageRed said:
No, he just had things to deal with. Everyone dies eventually. Ben can't live forever.
There's not "time flow" in this purgatory. Doesn't matter when they died. They all end up at the same moment in this purgatory.
CartridgeBlower
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Although I've stated I enjoyed the finale, I'd love a link to a good interpretation of what the smoke monster actually was in the end, and why he lost his powers when the island was uncorked.
I can live with most of the big mysteries being open to interpretation, and I think much of it works okay that way, but I'd really like a little bit more substance with this mystery, since he of course turned out to be the main antagonist of the show, and thus to the characters.
I can live with most of the big mysteries being open to interpretation, and I think much of it works okay that way, but I'd really like a little bit more substance with this mystery, since he of course turned out to be the main antagonist of the show, and thus to the characters.
TheGreatDave
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Smokey seemed somewhat electrical. I imagine the removal of the massive electromagnetic source that created him in the first place probably resulted in him being traped in a physical human form.CartridgeBlower said:
Fisticuffs
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CabbageRed said:
Ben killed so many people that maybe he was trying to prolong some sort of judgment.
KevinCow said:
Yeah, how dare they write a finale that Neogaf user Lard didn't agree with.
Asleep? Not posting, believe it or not he's not a highly advanced artificial intelligence but an actual human being.
Anyways, I'm so doubt for a Lost re-watch since I wasn't around the first time.
We have to wait until the bd/dvd/encyclopedia release though, it's a perfect time for a rewatch.
To those who wanted an ending that better explained the mythology: What would have appeased you? You are all smart individuals right? If the show Lost parallels life then we know there is perspective, a flow of time, and a beginning and ending to what IS perceived. It's likely that Jacob/MiBs mom didn't have a very good answer for what the island is, nor did the person before her, or before that one. An explanation the writers would have created would not have answered your questions, "~Every question asked leads to another"
You know what that's like? Real life. What's life? What's death? What happens when you die? What's the reason for existence?
What's the island? How does the smoke monster work? What happens if the island is destroyed? What's the reason for protecting the island?
Get it? We in REAL life don't have the answers to our own existence, why would you want them to make up ridiculous answers for a show that parallels life, just so you can say it was lame, or not possible, or that you need answers to explain the answers.
The show is about the Characters; Go for the mystery, stay for the friends.
You know what that's like? Real life. What's life? What's death? What happens when you die? What's the reason for existence?
What's the island? How does the smoke monster work? What happens if the island is destroyed? What's the reason for protecting the island?
Get it? We in REAL life don't have the answers to our own existence, why would you want them to make up ridiculous answers for a show that parallels life, just so you can say it was lame, or not possible, or that you need answers to explain the answers.
The show is about the Characters; Go for the mystery, stay for the friends.
Re-watching this and Battlestar is going to be fun. (I still haven't seen the finale to BSG, but have heard it's pretty polarizing with people largely feeling disappointed) Both lay claim to having my favourite two seasons of television anywhere, with each show's respective season one run.
CabbageRed
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TheGreatDave said:
But what does it prove in the end? Ben's presence there was likely key for any number of the survivors to move on, so the false reality would need have represented him in some manner. Hurly use of the past-tense could imply that he saw Ben die while he was playing the role of #1, or that he assumed Ben died since he was there.
thetrin said:
I'm not implying that he lived forever, but it seems to me that the purgatory we saw was made for the survivors, not the general public. If Ben felt closer to some other people/moments in his life, then he should have 'moved on' in a different version of purgatory.
They made a pretty big deal out of everyone leaving at the same time, so for Ben to be left behind suggests that he was not really himself.
Fisticuffs said:
I never got the impression that the purgatory was created to pass judgment or punish the people there.
Byakuya769
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CabbageRed said:
Probably a desire to be forgiven by alex and rousseau.
TheBranca18 said:
Yeah, it was made pretty clear in the finale; at least his neck scar was, and I think we can easily extrapolate that his appendix scar was a result of his fight with Locke as well. Like residual post-death scars.
Btw, why wouldn't these characters remember their lives off the island as well? I mean, most of them are prrrrrretty young, so I'm sure they lived long lives that had plenty of eventful happenings once they escaped.
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