LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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Magnus said:
When and where did they say anything of the kind? Serious question, not trolling.
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Don't have a source, but they said that they were both real and the stakes were real in both realities. They both mattered equally. Which is why I believe, once a person overcame their final issues in the sideways, they were naturally introduced/connected with someone they loved and were able to realize what happened. This "memory download" didn't wipe the previous sideways experience away - it reconciled the two to create one, final complete person who was ready to move on.
 
if its a reality then juliet and jack are terrible parents, abandoning their son :lol :lol

so much for jack dealing with his daddy issues
 
Nameless said:
Alot of what you say is exactly why I really dislike the "purgatory" label. And why I haven't really used it. Sure it may have served as a purgatory of sorts but It's so much more than that. This is why they spent the entire season showing us the lives of these people in the flashsideways. Nothing that happened all seasons implies that this existence is merely a "waiting room". It was very much real life in a sense. People conceived and had babies, there were an entire lifetime of memories and experiences in this reality that weren't just fabrications--they happened, here.

I'm 100% convinced it was a side effect of jughead. First off Juliet shows an awareness to the flashsideways reality in LA X. Only one other person does this. So what makes her special? She detonated the bomb at the center of Swan's electromagnetic energy, eating more of the blast than anyone. The only other person on the show to have experienced similar conditions is Desmond after turning the failsafe. It's no coincidence that he's the only other person who becomes aware of the X-Timline. It's all related. Why would Des being hit with EM flash to some random purgatory? It would makes mo sense in the context of what we've seen on the show. How would their original conciousnesses be able to cross over to this existence after death, why would certain things be so similar if they weren't im someway connected?

Darlton were clear all season that while these events were real this wasn't an alternate reality. They were telling the truth. It's more of an after reality.
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I won't disagree, I'll just throw in that if you are indeed right (and there's seriously solid evidence there) that the flash sideways being a result of Jughead is sort of "how" the island created that reality for them. I don't want to call it purgatory either because that's sort of a negative word, isn't it? But it was clear to me that they wanted us to think that it is a type of afterlife or whatever you want to call it. Christian telling Jack that they're about to "move on," Christian opening the doors to the church and the heavy light coming through as we intercut with Jack dying, and so on.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying, not in a way at least. I agree that it was probably caused by Jughead, but that's the way the island created the flash sideways for them. That's just what I think. In the end I kind of think we're both on the spot in a combination of ways :lol
 
yacobod said:
if its a reality then juliet and jack are terrible parents, abandoning their son :lol :lol

so much for jack dealing with his daddy issues
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As soon as Locke said "You don't have a son, Jack.", Jack never saw his son again.


JOHN LOCKE MURDERED THE SON, CONFIRRRRMED.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
It's a reality but it's not THE reality. Locke said it, "You never had a son."
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It's that kind of abandonment of the X reality that gave me the overwhelming sense that the X reality really didn't matter, that there were no stakes. I saw characters forgetting, and remembering, for the sake of flashbacks and emotional moments, and no forward evolution of characterization, save a few moments in the finale. I loved everything about the on-Island action and events in the finale; but it was precisely this detachment by the X characters from their reality that made all of the X scenes this season crumble into dust for me.

:(
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
As soon as Locke said "You don't have a son, Jack.", Jack never saw his son again.


JOHN LOCKE MURDERED THE SON, CONFIRRRRMED.
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That would be awesome. "You're 'sorry you didnt believe in me?' Fuck that Jack, the boy DIES"
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
As soon as Locke said "You don't have a son, Jack.", Jack never saw his son again.


JOHN LOCKE MURDERED THE SON, CONFIRRRRMED.
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"Now YOU wish you'd believed me, BYITCH!"

Programming Note:
Tonight the role of John Locke will be played by
AARON PAUL
 
Magnus said:
It's that kind of abandonment of the X reality that gave me the overwhelming sense that the X reality really didn't matter, that there were no stakes. I saw characters forgetting, and remembering, for the sake of flashbacks and emotional moments, and no forward evolution of characterization, save a few moments in the finale. I loved everything about the on-Island action and events in the finale; but it was precisely this detachment by the X characters from their reality that made all of the X scenes this season crumble into dust for me.

:(
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For me it heightened everything. The show has always been about them getting over shit. This was another aspect of that. It was key to them reaching their ultimate goal.
 
omg rite said:
Michael Emerson confirms the island is real and the plane crash was real and they survived the crash.

CONFIRMED.
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But at the end of the show you could see the plane crash, and there were no people. It's obvious they all died.
 
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BenjaminBirdie said:
It's a reality but it's not THE reality. Locke said it, "You never had a son."
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indeed

thats why i dont really like the last 15 minutes or so of the episode, after a few days of chewing on it, i think it was ill-conceived, you know its not very good when Christian basically has to explain what is happening to the audience & Jack, "you're dead, you all died, the island happened, these are the most important ppl & times in your life, etc", i just dont think the ending was handled very well in hindsight

the finale was pretty awesome for like 2 hours and 15 minutes, and instead of hitting a homerun, they kind of hit a single with that church scene
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
For me it heightened everything. The show has always been about them getting over shit. This was another aspect of that. It was key to them reaching their ultimate goal.
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I suppose it was frustrating to me that it took them until after their own deaths for this to happen. That they couldn't finish their arcs in their own 'main' reality and lifetime.

And wow, there you go @ Emerson's comments! :D
 
Ahahaha...

"So Ben...why did you guys take Walt? Why were you able to find the cabin?"

Oh man, that's amazing :lol

Birdie called it!
 
I hope there's no real narrative arc to their misadventures, because that would kind of ruin my imagination of them running the shit like bosses until the end of time.
 
omg rite said:
Michael Emerson confirms the island is real and the plane crash was real and they survived the crash.

CONFIRMED.
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Which he added after saying first that what he thought happened needn't be what everyone else thought happened.

L O S T

:lol
 
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