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[Solo]

totally agree, also the set was awful

It was. Didnt even feel like it was a LOST set. The Hydra station was classic LOST, as was the Looking Glass, production design-wise. The Temple? Oh fuck no.

 

[Catalix]

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

hi5 brother

 

[big ander]

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

It really does. The first part of season 6, with the temple, was bad at parts.

 

[Igoritza]

The infection is obviously targetted. Otherwise there would be hundreds of infected people on the Island.

Sayid was infected so MIB could get a man inside to do his job. Dogen and Lennon died after the fact, they had no use for MIB anymore.

I see your point, but I think the darkened waters is a direct visual clue imo. Also, doesn't mean that its the ONLY way for MIB to claim people. Claire spent 3 years with MIB, and she only went with him at first because she thought it was her father, and we never saw what really happened with the French team.

you're making this up man, and badly.

so, MiB waited for like - 2000 years, before he could infect the water for some other reason, when all that years he could infect who ever was in the temple, making jacob's murder a lot easier job than all the fuss with ben.

pool infection is only a speculation. and, you laughed at me, when we first started this .. just admit it - lost is dumb, and Ben should remember who Sayid is.

 

[Dead]

Ghost Adult Jacob appeared in Lighthouse, well after we were introduced to creepy kid version.

Like, what's the point? :lol

The Jacob at the end wasnt a ghost. he was physical.

Hurley was only seeing a Ghost

 

[Nameless]

The more I think about it the more I feel like the heavy theorizing the show encouraged may have been both a gift & a curse. I look at a place like the Lostpedia forums, and most the theories posted there are always so convoluted & so off the rails that it resembles really bad fan fiction more than logical explanations of LOST myseries. You think too hard about anything and you're bound to confuse yourself. It's like I'm not surprised that the dude who wrote 8 paragraphs about Sun's Garden becoming the Garden of Eden when Ben turned the FDW has no idea what's going on.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

The more I think about it the more I feel like the heavy theorizing the show encouraged may have been both a gift & a curse. I look at a place like the Lostpedia forums, and most the theories posted there are always so convoluted & so off the rails that it resembles really bad fan fiction more than logical explanations of LOST myseries. You think too hard about anything and you're bound to confuse yourself. It's like I'm not surprised that the dude who wrote 8 paragraphs about Sun's Garden becoming the Garden of Eden when Ben turned the FDW has no idea what's going on.

Ah, fuck it. We know what really happened. Let them have their dreams.

 

[Catalix]

It was. Didnt even feel like it was a LOST set. The Hydra station was classic LOST, as was the Looking Glass, production design-wise. The Temple? Oh fuck no.

Any set that consisted of "earthy" elements kinda blew.

Even those goddam wells :lol

 

[Dead]

you're making this up man, and badly.

so, MiB waited for like - 2000 years, before he could infect the water for some other reason, when all that years he could infect who ever was in the temple, making jacob's murder a lot easier job than all the fuss with ben.

pool infection is only a speculation. and, you laughed at me, when we first started this .. just admit it - lost is dumb, and Ben should remember who Sayid is.

Jacob was ALIVE all those year.

Jesus christ

 

[Igoritza]

The Jacob at the end wasnt a ghost. he was physical.

Hurley was only seeing a Ghost

yeah, a ghost - that took the ashes. another great one from Cuse and lindelof. ghosts are now officially corporeal.

 

[Mifune]

Because it might be the worst thing they did on this show, and feels completely out of place with the rest of the series.

Totally. Although I hope upon rewatch it makes sense/has a point.

 

[Solo]

Any set that consisted of "earthy" elements kinda blew.

Even those goddam wells :lol

Truth. The Temple looked like a back up set for Rhas Al Ghul's mountain base from Batman Begins :lol

 

[Igoritza]

Jacob was ALIVE all those year.

Jesus christ

bravo, captain obvious, and, tell me again, what was the MiB's plan, all along ?

 

[Blader]

you're making this up man, and badly.

so, MiB waited for like - 2000 years, before he could infect the water for some other reason,
when all that years he could infect who ever was in the temple, making jacob's murder a lot easier job than all the fuss with ben.

Yeah, I wonder why he waited so long. I mean, what possible event happened shortly before the waters turned dark that could possibly explain why such a thing happened?

pool infection is only a speculation. and, you laughed at me, when we first started this .. just admit it - lost is dumb, and Ben should remember who Sayid is.

You're absolutely right. Never mind the part where the show explained why that isn't the case.

 

[Mifune]

Any set that consisted of "earthy" elements kinda blew.

Even those goddam wells :lol

I thought that the cave interior in the finale was pretty good. Not sure how they pulled it off, but it didn't completely blow.

 

[Dead]

Yeah, I wonder why he waited so long. I mean, what possible event happened shortly before the waters turned dark that could possibly explain why such a thing happened?



You're absolutely right. Never mind the part where the show explained why that isn't the case.

Just give it up :lol

 

[bogg]

yeah, a ghost - that took the ashes. another great one from Cuse and lindelof. ghosts are now officially corporeal.

Mind if I ask you why did you even watch the show?

 

[Igoritza]

You're absolutely right. Never mind the part where the show explained why that isn't the case.

where ? Richard telling us "ben wont remember" is an explanation for you ? well, i see now how you got it all figured out ...

let me rephrase it for you, so your omnisciencness can answer it for me:

what did Richard do, so ben couldnt remember, just that particular instance ? with what ?

 

[Blader]

Mind if I ask you why did you even watch the show?

It sounds like he expected every mystery to all tie into one big plot development in the finale, and didn't realize that things were being answered along the way.

 

[otake]

This thread is getting bigger and bigger.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

nobody fucking reply to him

 

[G-Fex]

I don't know if it was asked already and I'm not about to go 40 years to read through this thread.

Why did MiB act so late on his little journey to kill Jacob and escape the island? I mean he never interfered just sorta stuck around killing random people.

 

[KevinCow]

The Pool was given light by Jacob. Once he died it stopped being effective.

I feel really stupid for not putting this together sooner.

Like, really really stupid.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

where ? Richard telling us "ben wont remember" is an explanation for you ? well, i see now how you got it all figured out ...

let me rephrase it for you, so your omnisciencness can answer it for me:

what did Richard do, so ben couldnt remember, just that particular instance ? with what ?

Who fucking knows?!

We're not supposed to know the specifics or it wouldn't have cut away. This is all we know or need to know:

RICHARD MADE HIM AN OTHER
THE PROCESS ERASED MEMORIES

It stupidly pat? Yes. Does it mean the show never told us?

NO.

 

[Solo]

I don't know if it was asked already and I'm not about to go 40 years to read through this thread.

Why did MiB act so late on his little journey to kill Jacob and escape the island? I mean he never interfered just sorta stuck around killing random people.

Needed to figure out a way around the rule.

 

[bogg]

I don't know if it was asked already and I'm not about to go 40 years to read through this thread.

Why did MiB act so late on his little journey to kill Jacob and escape the island? I mean he never interfered just sorta stuck around killing random people.

He was setting things up for his long con.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I don't know if it was asked already and I'm not about to go 40 years to read through this thread.

Why did MiB act so late on his little journey to kill Jacob and escape the island? I mean he never interfered just sorta stuck around killing random people.

Well we saw him act on Locke like a day after they got to the island, which is when he probably decided to use Locke, and then sat about devising a plan.

 

[G-Fex]

He was setting things up for his long con.

A hell of a con, which lasted a episode.

Well we saw him act on Locke like a day after they got to the island, which is when he probably decided to use Locke, and then sat about devising a plan.

and it all went according to Keikaku. Bravo black smoke.

 

[Mifune]

Speaking of the Temple, does anyone else feel like all the claimed/Infected stuff was just a bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo on the part of Dogen? Like he didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and there was nothing actually "wrong" with Sayid? Sayid just believed he was bad because he was told so.

It's really the only way I can find any value in the Temple storyline. God, the handling of Sayid's character this season was terrible.

 

[DaBargainHunta]

How does Jacob's ashes being in a bag cause a physical replica of a kid from 2000 years ago to appear?

Especially when Kid MiB also appeared.

It's yet another mystery the writers left dangling. I can't think of any plausible explanation for it either. And no, they weren't MiB, because one of them appeared in a scene with Locke Ness, who then said to "ignore him."

 

[Dead]

Especially when Kid MiB also appeared.

It's yet another mystery the writers left dangling. I can't think of any plausible explanation for it either. And no, they weren't MiB, because one of them appeared in a scene with Locke Ness, who then said to "ignore him."

Uhh, kid MIB never appeared until Across the Sea

 

[Drealmcc0y]

A hell of a con, which lasted a episode.



and it all went according to Keikaku. Bravo black smoke.

smokey is just human at the end of the day

 

[Blader]

Especially when Kid MiB also appeared.

It's yet another mystery the writers left dangling. I can't think of any plausible explanation for it either. And no, they weren't MiB, because one of them appeared in a scene with Locke Ness, who then said to "ignore him."

?

Kid MIB never appeared.

 

[G-Fex]

Speaking of the Temple, does anyone else feel like all the claimed/Infected stuff was just a bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo on the part of Dogen? Like he didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and there was nothing actually "wrong" with Sayid? Sayid just believed he was bad because he was told so.

It's really the only way I can find any value in the Temple storyline. God, the handling of Sayid's character this season was terrible.

Yeah now that I think back to it, even though I like Dogen. That stuff was just..well pointless. Just a plot device to divert the losties someplace before they just journey on randomly across the island.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Especially when Kid MiB also appeared.

It's yet another mystery the writers left dangling. I can't think of any plausible explanation for it either. And no, they weren't MiB, because one of them appeared in a scene with Locke Ness, who then said to "ignore him."

lol?

 

[Igoritza]

nobody fucking reply to him

cause i win every argument ?

It sounds like he expected every mystery to all tie into one big plot development in the finale, and didn't realize that things were being answered along the way.

what is answered along the way ?

1. where does the Egypt fall in place, who build the Tawaret ?

2. what is the light, and why it does turn a normal man into a smoke ? (MiB being very normal person, more normal than his mother, and manipulated brother) and plase do not answer - "the force of life" cause it is not, and if it is - we dont have substantial evidence of that.

3. what is the scientific/magical explanation for desmond's ability ? origin of it ?

4. at the end of the series, all teh stuff we saw in the 6 seasons, adds up how ?

5. how on earth could miB not knowing any advanced science construct an electromagnetic machine, that is capable of moving the magical island, based on the scientific method, as he himself stated ? that was 0BC year aproximately

6. who actually built the light compressor ? cause we see that is man made. ?

7. how did the numbers affect the outside world, in the magical fashion, cause we know that producers of the show wanted us to connect electromagnetism, with the magic ? wouldnt it be noticed around the world then ?

answer this, for start, and i will rest, until then - i wont.

 

[TheGreatDave]

Dogan was pretty pointless. And I'm still slightly confused about the Sayid stuff.

 

[Catalix]

The Jacob at the end wasnt a ghost. he was physical.

Hurley was only seeing a Ghost

Yeah I know, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I was just pointing how the circumstances of his manifestations fluctuate throughout the season.

- Adult Ghost Jacob pops up in LA X. Only Hurley can see him
- Creppy kid Jacob pops up in The Substitute. Richard can't see him, but Flocke and Sawyer can.
- Then Adult Ghost Jacob appears again in Lighthouse; only speaks to Hurley.
- Kid Jacob shows up a couple more times after that. Desmond and Hurley can see him, Kate can't... he physically takes the ashes from Hugo, burns them. Cue adult Jacob in the flesh.

It's kinda... random, no? Maybe I missed somthing, but it seems like they were being weird and mysterious for the sake of it.

 

[DaBargainHunta]

Kid MiB definitely appeared. I'm looking through Lost screen caps now...

If I'm wrong, so be it. But I'm pretty sure there were two phantom kids before the Across the Sea ep.

 

[Dead]

Yeah I know, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I was just pointing how the circumstances of his manifestations fluctuate throughout the season.

- Adult Ghost Jacob pops up in LA X. Only Hurley can see him
- Creppy kid Jacob pops up in The Substitute. Richard can't see him, but Flocke and Sawyer can.
- Then Adult Ghost Jacob appears again in Lighthouse; only speaks to Hurley.
- Kid Jacob shows up a couple more times after that. Desmond and Hurley can see him, Kate can't... he physically takes the ashes from Hugo, burns them. Cue adult Jacob in the flesh.

It's kinda... random, no? Maybe I missed somthing, but it seems like they were being weird and mysterious for the sake of it.

Thats pretty much it :lol

 

[bogg]

Speaking of the Temple, does anyone else feel like all the claimed/Infected stuff was just a bunch of mystical mumbo jumbo on the part of Dogen? Like he didn't know what the hell he was talking about, and there was nothing actually "wrong" with Sayid? Sayid just believed he was bad because he was told so.

It's really the only way I can find any value in the Temple storyline. God, the handling of Sayid's character this season was terrible.

Interesting, as I don't think Claire was infected at all, she just went crazy in the jungle with MiB as her only friend.
But it's still the only explanation for Sayid's resurrection as far as we know.

 

[Solo]

Mifune, sadly I cant see any value in the temple at all. The best thing that ever happened there was MIB's massacre of it.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Kid MiB definitely appeared. I'm looking through Lost screen caps now...

If I'm wrong, so be it. But I'm pretty sure there were two phantom kids before the Across the Sea ep.

It was both Jacob

 

[KevinCow]

I don't know if it was asked already and I'm not about to go 40 years to read through this thread.

Why did MiB act so late on his little journey to kill Jacob and escape the island? I mean he never interfered just sorta stuck around killing random people.

Two possibilities:

1) He was trying, just never got close enough until the events of the series. Seeing a time-traveling Locke set himself to be a sort of savior/leader gave him a really good opening.

2) He had to kill all the candidates first, which is why he doesn't make his move to kill Jacob until he has his last batch of candidates.

Possibly a combination of the two.

 

[threenote]

Just want to say that the Whispers thing was one of the most frustrating part of this show. I liked the answer, and I liked what it turned out to be--but they never developed that storyline.

 

[Solo]

Just want to say that the Whispers thing was one of the most frustrating part of this show. I liked the answer, and I liked what it turned out to be--but they never developed that storyline.

There wasnt any storyline to develop there. Once in a blue moon over six seasons, people heard whispers in the jungle.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Just want to say that the Whispers thing was one of the most frustrating part of this show. I liked the answer, and I liked what it turned out to be--but they never developed that storyline.

Well someone like Michael would have been in the church instead he was stuck on the island whispering to Hurley and Ben in their sleep :lol

 

[threenote]

There wasnt any storyline to develop there. Once in a blue moon over six seasons, people heard whispers in the jungle.

yes, there's definitely a storyline. Why are the souls stuck on the Island? Why are they unable to moveon?

 

[Catalix]

Thats pretty much it :lol

kinda dumb tbh :lol

I'm just gonna assume they didn't think it through when they introduced the mysterious kid version. Or they had a change of plans, and needed to quickly compress and wrap up some dangling shit.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

yes, there's definitely a storyline. Why are the souls stuck on the Island? Why are they unable to moveon?

I think its pretty clear why Mikey cant move on, its because what he did