LOST 06.17/18/18.5: "The End" (Everything Else Was Just Progress)

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gdt5016 said:
They've both said they'll have nothing to do with any future Lost stuff, if they happen.
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Then for me it doesn't exist. I really hope they don't do any kind of spin-off, the show is over and they shouldn't degrade the series like that... :(
 
Drealmcc0y said:
Does anyone else hate going to other lost sites now?

Its just full of hate and complaining.

For example in lostpedia there are two stickied threads:

1 - "Official thank you to TPTB and the six great years" and

2 - "Official dissapointed in the end, wasted six years of my life"

The former has 150 posts, the latter has 1500 posts.

Its just depressing
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:lol :lolIt is, but you can't do nothing but laugh, they didn't like it for whatever reason, sucks for them.
 
TheGreatDave said:
I don't like how the scene seemed to played out differently when we came back from commercial. WHICH IS CANON?
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I forgive just because of the pure badassness radiating from the charge/jump.
 
Your article about the commercials during the series finale of Lost was very embarrassing to read.

"Entertainment Weekly, the 2 1/2 -hour very last episode of "Lost" was jammed with about 45 minutes' worth of ad breaks -- around 100 ads in all.

So nearly one-third of the time you were watching that "Lost" finale on May 23, you were actually watching an ad or a promo.

Where I come from, this is called "excessive.""

This would be fine if you had done some research before hand. The amount of show that aired was no different in relation to normal weeks. A single episode of Lost (or most broadcast hour-long shows) is about 42 minutes, give or take. The rest is commercials, so about 22 minutes.

If the total commercial time during the 2 1/2 hour finale of Lost was 45 minutes... well, you do the math.

But the worst thing about the article is how it talks down to Lost fans as if we're the reason for ads on television. It's insulting and simply bad writing on your part.
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fuck commercials... This is why Lost Gaf is awesome, I realize I didn't watch one commercial the whole season.:lol I have one (HDTV), and I use it for my computer monitor also. So during commercials I just go back to gaf and read the thread, which is usually just live-blogging type posts, at the start of the episode, but it beats commercials any day. 45 minutes is a lot but thankfully I didn't even notice.
 
I hated the commercial breaks, I didn't get caught up with the current episodes until Happily Ever After and I watched seasons 1-5 on Netflix and most of season 6 through zune/psn so watching the big finale live with a bunch of shitty commercials jammed in between big scenes was a pain in the ass. I guess I've been spoiled by steaming/DD television.
 
Looks as though this thread is dying. Shooting the shit about LOST with you crazy bastards certainly ranks among my internet Greatest Hits.
 
My Lost-GAF Greatest Hits

3. The "Charles Widmore is his own grandson" theory.

2. "I make great eggs"

1. The night I was proven right about John Locke.
 
I know I am so hopelessly late to this whole party but I just finished the final episode and a couple questions.

1. This last season does anyone find themselves weeping all the damn time for almost every flashback. This show makes me cry like a damn bitch and half the time I have no idea why.

2. So basically was everyone in the crash dead once they reached the island and it was just sort of a place of judgment or were their actions on the island as alive breathing people what determined their fate?
 
Something that's been bugging me is that, with the reveal that everyone who died on LOST immediately went to Oceanic 815 in the "alternate reality", that leaves no room for the dead people that visited Hurley.

It makes sense that Hurley was visited by Jacob and Michael -- they were unable to move on from the material world. But in season 5, Hurley is visited by Charlie and Ana Lucia, and Ana tells him that "Libby says Hi." (he's also visited by Eko, but there's no evidence one way or another whether Eko was able to "move on" or not)

We know for a fact that all three of those people are in the flash-sideways purgatory, though, and thus unaware that they were even dead. Seems difficult to reconcile, no?
 
ThLunarian said:
Something that's been bugging me is that, with the reveal that everyone who died on LOST immediately went to Oceanic 815 in the "alternate reality", that leaves no room for the dead people that visited Hurley.

It makes sense that Hurley was visited by Jacob and Michael -- they were unable to move on from the material world. But in season 5, Hurley is visited by Charlie and Ana Lucia, and Ana tells him that "Libby says Hi." (he's also visited by Eko, but there's no evidence one way or another whether Eko was able to "move on" or not)

We know for a fact that all three of those people are in the flash-sideways purgatory, though, and thus unaware that they were even dead. Seems difficult to reconcile, no?
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Purgatory has no time, so the ghosts you see merely haven't reached a resolution that allows them to move on (the death of someone they care about, perhaps). Hell, Jack coulda been ghostin' it by stalking Kate until she died for all we know.
 
Good lord the more I think about this the more I feel like I am going to hemorrhage my brain.

Can someone give me a quick synopsis of WTF is going on.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
Good lord the more I think about this the more I feel like I am going to hemorrhage my brain.

Can someone give me a quick synopsis of WTF is going on.
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Everything happened IRL, except for the flashsideways, which happened after they died. There is no time in the sideways, so people could arrive in the purgatory even if they died before/after other people.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Everything happened IRL, except for the flashsideways, which happened after they died. There is no time in the sideways, so people could arrive in the purgatory even if they died before/after other people.
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So based on that when they get off the island are they really off the island?
If thats the case what is the whole point of the island?
 
Nameless said:
Looks as though this thread is dying. Shooting the shit about LOST with you crazy bastards certainly ranks among my internet Greatest Hits.
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Same here, brother. Just being a part of the LOST-GAF fam increased my overall appreciation for the show, immeasurably.

20 years from now, when I look back on LOST, all the crazy happenings from these threads will no doubt come flashing back. The experiences are intrinsically intertwined. Good times, fellas. Good times.


TheGreatDave said:
My Lost-GAF Greatest Hits

1. The night I was proven right about John Locke.
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*long-overdue celebratory hi-5*

feels good man
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
So based on that when they get off the island are they really off the island?
If thats the case what is the whole point of the island?
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Yes everything you've seen throughout all the seasons on the show was "real." It happened while they were alive...

except for the "flash sideways" in season 6. That was the afterlife.

The Losties were brought to the Island as replacements for Jacob. The Island needed to be protected. If it's light source were ever destroyed, mankind would be doomed.
 
Catalix said:
Same here, brother. Just being a part of the LOST-GAF fam increased my overall appreciation for the show, immeasurably.

20 years from now, when I look back on LOST, all the crazy happenings from these threads will no doubt come flashing back. The experiences are intrinsically intertwined. Good times, fellas. Good times.
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No doubt about that. The community(Lost-GAF) is certainly tethered to LOST's legacy for me as well. It would've have been cool if this group in-particular had been around from the beginning.


See you in another thread, brotha.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Everything happened IRL, except for the flashsideways, which happened after they died. There is no time in the sideways, so people could arrive in the purgatory even if they died before/after other people.
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do people have any sense of time in purgatory? Can they live out many 'lives' there while waiting to move on? Can't help thinking someone like Shannon who died pretty early one would get bored waiting.
 
mrklaw said:
do people have any sense of time in purgatory? Can they live out many 'lives' there while waiting to move on? Can't help thinking someone like Shannon who died pretty early one would get bored waiting.
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Seems to me like you live out a whole 'nother life before realizing you died. Shannon just lived another 30 some odd years before getting a memory download.

At the very least, you atleast feel/imagine the weight for a full life life for a while (the weeks or so post-Oceanic), so I don't really think there'd be much of a difference.
 
so i 'm watching 4x13 "there's no place like home" and they're all on the raft and Jack is trying to convince everyone to lie about what happened to protect "everyone that they left behind"

aside from the main characters, didn't everyone die when the freighter exploded? as far as Jack knows, the only people left on the island are Locke and Ben?
 
sarcastor said:
so i 'm watching 4x13 "there's no place like home" and they're all on the raft and Jack is trying to convince everyone to lie about what happened to protect "everyone that they left behind"

aside from the main characters, didn't everyone die when the freighter exploded? as far as Jack knows, the only people left on the island are Locke and Ben?
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Sawyer? Juliet? Rose? Bernard?
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
Seems to me like you live out a whole 'nother life before realizing you died. Shannon just lived another 30 some odd years before getting a memory download.

At the very least, you atleast feel/imagine the weight for a full life life for a while (the weeks or so post-Oceanic), so I don't really think there'd be much of a difference.
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I think of it more like Bertrand Russell's projection of the Omphalos Hypothesis - "There is no logical impossibility in the hypothesis that the world sprang into being five minutes ago, exactly as it then was, with a population that "remembered" a wholly unreal past". I think the first moment we see Jack in 'LA X' when Rose tells him "You can let go now", is the exact moment he died on the island.
 
sarcastor said:
so i 'm watching 4x13 "there's no place like home" and they're all on the raft and Jack is trying to convince everyone to lie about what happened to protect "everyone that they left behind"

aside from the main characters, didn't everyone die when the freighter exploded? as far as Jack knows, the only people left on the island are Locke and Ben?
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You're also forgetting the no names from 815.
 
Catalix said:
The Losties were brought to the Island as replacements for Jacob. The Island needed to be protected. If it's light source were ever destroyed, mankind would be doomed.
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So thats as much as we ever know about the island right? Its a real place but its actual purpose in the role of their lives is never clarified.

Since about Season 4 I was completely on board with the theory that the Island was:
Hell. However, depending on their actions once on the island they can either redeem themselves had they lived a sinful life or are guides if they were "chosen" by Jacob.

Not knowing what the Island really is kind of makes the ending bittersweet. I feel like its the real character of the show and not know what its motivations or ultimate purpose was is driving me crazy.
 
ThLunarian said:
Something that's been bugging me is that, with the reveal that everyone who died on LOST immediately went to Oceanic 815 in the "alternate reality", that leaves no room for the dead people that visited Hurley.

It makes sense that Hurley was visited by Jacob and Michael -- they were unable to move on from the material world. But in season 5, Hurley is visited by Charlie and Ana Lucia, and Ana tells him that "Libby says Hi." (he's also visited by Eko, but there's no evidence one way or another whether Eko was able to "move on" or not)

We know for a fact that all three of those people are in the flash-sideways purgatory, though, and thus unaware that they were even dead. Seems difficult to reconcile, no?
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I REALLY did think the finale would have something to do with that, specially when charlie said "No no no I'm not dead!" damn red herrings.
 
sarcastor said:
so i 'm watching 4x13 "there's no place like home" and they're all on the raft and Jack is trying to convince everyone to lie about what happened to protect "everyone that they left behind"

aside from the main characters, didn't everyone die when the freighter exploded? as far as Jack knows, the only people left on the island are Locke and Ben?
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Only a handful ever left the Island in the first place. The only person who came from the Island to the freighter was Jin (Michael having come with the boat).


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BruceLeeRoy said:
So thats as much as we ever know about the island right? Its a real place but its actual purpose in the role of their lives is never clarified.

Since about Season 4 I was completely on board with the theory that the Island was:
Hell. However, depending on their actions once on the island they can either redeem themselves had they lived a sinful life or are guides if they were "chosen" by Jacob.

Not knowing what the Island really is kind of makes the ending bittersweet. I feel like its the real character of the show and not know what its motivations or ultimate purpose was is driving me crazy.
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What we know about the Island comes from Mother in the episode Across the Sea. According to her, the Island contains the source of life, death, and rebirth. How literally you want to take that is basically up to you. I, for one, take it that she wasn't lying as it would explain not only the crazy stuff that happens there but also the connection to the afterlife (Desmond and possibly Juliet flashing to the afterlife after getting dosed in the face by the light, Smokey taking the form of dead people, ghosts whispering it up) that the Island seems to have.

You can also choose to believe that the Island is sitting on a giant ball of EM energy, and that the Dharma scientists fully understood what was going on. I think that's an entirely irrational belief, because those hippies clearly didn't fully understand anything.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
So thats as much as we ever know about the island right? Its a real place but its actual purpose in the role of their lives is never clarified.

Since about Season 4 I was completely on board with the theory that the Island was:
Hell. However, depending on their actions once on the island they can either redeem themselves had they lived a sinful life or are guides if they were "chosen" by Jacob.

Not knowing what the Island really is kind of makes the ending bittersweet. I feel like its the real character of the show and not know what its motivations or ultimate purpose was is driving me crazy.
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Well, the changes it brought to these people was the purpose in their lives. Without the island, Claire and Charlie never would have found each other, Sayid would never have learned he was a good man at heart, Kate would have kept running her whole life, and Jack wouldn't have become a man of faith.
I don't think we need to know exactly what the island is to understand its motivations. The Island truly is an island with special qualities. The traits that define it as a character are the ones that allowed it to impact the lives of these people so profoundly. Its ultimate purpose is to exist, and its existence allowed the Losties to pass on.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
So thats as much as we ever know about the island right? Its a real place but its actual purpose in the role of their lives is never clarified.
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It was monumentally important to their lives. As Christian said at the end, the time they spent on the Island, with those people, was the most important time of their lives. If nothing else, the crash brought together this motley crew of people and through their relationships they regained purpose in their lives. As Lindelcuse have been saying, the show was about these characters being 'lost' not so much geographically but in their own lives.

But more than that, in WTDF Jacob said "I chose you because you needed this place as much as it needed you." They needed the Island to find themselves; the Island needed a new Protector. Why? Because without a protector, the light goes out, not just on the Island but everywhere. And if we take the light in The End to be the same light (which I think is heavily implied), then putting the light out, to me, essentially means snuffing out all life, if not all of existence.

In one of the podcasts that was posted in the topic, there was a complaint that the flash-sideways being the afterlife rendered most of the rest of the show irrelevant. I couldn't disagree more. What occurred throughout the entire show is precisely what even allowed for there to be an afterlife. Without the goings-on of the first five seasons, there wouldn't be an afterlife AKA flash-sideways.

For instance, if the Losties hadn't gone back in time, they wouldn't have detonated the bomb during the Incident. Without the bomb going off, the energy would have been uncorked and presumably would have had the same result as allowing Smokey to leave (everything ending). Also, without the bomb detonating, the Swan Hatch would never have been completed, Desmond would never have been taken down there, he never would have failed to push the button, which means the Losties would never have crashed. And without the Losties crashing, there would have been no one to replace Jacob which means Smokey would eventually leave and life (and the afterlife) would cease to exist.

Long story short, the flash-sideways truly was the culmination of the Island story arc of the entire show.

Not knowing what the Island really is kind of makes the ending bittersweet. I feel like its the real character of the show and not know what its motivations or ultimate purpose was is driving me crazy.
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The Island is the Source of life, death, and rebirth (which can be interpreted as the afterlife). At the very least, it houses a unique connection to the Source. And the motivation of the Island can be viewed as self-preservation. In the end, the island (and its light) is safe from the threat of Smokey. If the Island was the cause of anything, it culminated in its own safety. In a way, Smokey might have been not have been part of the plan and everything that happened was a way for the Island (or the universe) to "course-correct," as Eloise might say.
 
In my eyes, John Locke was resurrected in the end. hrough Jack and through spirit Locke X, he was resurrected.

LIKE A BOSS.
 
yea... John Locke died like a scrub and never came back. Kudos to his soul though for some good moments after he died on his way to heaven.

Too bad he had no direct part since Life and Death of JB. Sorry clan.
 
cyclonekruse said:
It was monumentally important to their lives. As Christian said at the end, the time they spent on the Island, with those people, was the most important time of their lives. If nothing else, the crash brought together this motley crew of people and through their relationships they regained purpose in their lives. As Lindelcuse have been saying, the show was about these characters being 'lost' not so much geographically but in their own lives.

But more than that, in WTDF Jacob said "I chose you because you needed this place as much as it needed you." They needed the Island to find themselves; the Island needed a new Protector. Why? Because without a protector, the light goes out, not just on the Island but everywhere. And if we take the light in The End to be the same light (which I think is heavily implied), then putting the light out, to me, essentially means snuffing out all life, if not all of existence.

In one of the podcasts that was posted in the topic, there was a complaint that the flash-sideways being the afterlife rendered most of the rest of the show irrelevant. I couldn't disagree more. What occurred throughout the entire show is precisely what even allowed for there to be an afterlife. Without the goings-on of the first five seasons, there wouldn't be an afterlife AKA flash-sideways.

For instance, if the Losties hadn't gone back in time, they wouldn't have detonated the bomb during the Incident. Without the bomb going off, the energy would have been uncorked and presumably would have had the same result as allowing Smokey to leave (everything ending). Also, without the bomb detonating, the Swan Hatch would never have been completed, Desmond would never have been taken down there, he never would have failed to push the button, which means the Losties would never have crashed. And without the Losties crashing, there would have been no one to replace Jacob which means Smokey would eventually leave and life (and the afterlife) would cease to exist.

Long story short, the flash-sideways truly was the culmination of the Island story arc of the entire show.



The Island is the Source of life, death, and rebirth (which can be interpreted as the afterlife). At the very least, it houses a unique connection to the Source. And the motivation of the Island can be viewed as self-preservation. In the end, the island (and its light) is safe from the threat of Smokey. If the Island was the cause of anything, it culminated in its own safety. In a way, Smokey might have been not have been part of the plan and everything that happened was a way for the Island (or the universe) to "course-correct," as Eloise might say.
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Damn, very well said. LOST in a nutshell.
 
cyclonekruse said:
Excellent writeup
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That was really great stuff cyclonekruse. I have to say I feel exactly like Bill Simmons when he said just thinking about the flashsideways and the events of the island makes his brain want to hemorrhage.

When Juliet died and said it worked how did she know and what worked? Was she saying she knew the island was saved?
 
John Harker said:
yea... John Locke died like a scrub and never came back. Kudos to his soul though for some good moments after he died on his way to heaven.

Too bad he had no direct part since Life and Death of JB. Sorry clan.
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I'd argue that Locke was considerably more influential in death than he was alive.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
That was really great stuff cyclonekruse. I have to say I feel exactly like Bill Simmons when he said just thinking about the flashsideways and the events of the island makes his brain want to hemorrhage.

When Juliet died and said it worked how did she know and what worked? Was she saying she knew the island was saved?
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"It worked" was in reference to Sawyer unplugging the vending machine and his candy bar dropping. :lol
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
That was really great stuff cyclonekruse. I have to say I feel exactly like Bill Simmons when he said just thinking about the flashsideways and the events of the island makes his brain want to hemorrhage.

When Juliet died and said it worked how did she know and what worked? Was she saying she knew the island was saved?
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"It worked" was a line from her conversation with Sawyer in The End, referring to the vending machine. It was just one of many red herrings meant to fool us into thinking the sideways was created by Jughead.
 
SpeedingUptoStop said:
In my eyes, John Locke was resurrected in the end. hrough Jack and through spirit Locke X, he was resurrected.

LIKE A BOSS.
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I loved how the bar for what constituted "resurrection" got lower and lower with each passing day. :lol
 
Blader5489 said:
"It worked" was in reference to Sawyer unplugging the vending machine and his candy bar dropping. :lol
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Which in itself is the writers referencing the unplugging (then replugging) of the Island's cork. Love it! :lol
 
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