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[Blader]

But... wait. They found the outriggers in 2007 or later, because there was an Ajira bottle in one of them. Then they didn't flash again until after the outrigger shootout. So how could it possibly be guys from the Black Rock? Unless there was a time flash offscreen.

Yeah that's true, but like I said a couple pages ago, the boat from the Black Rock could have simply lapsed into a different time period by approaching the island at the wrong bearing (which, according to the letter, was already happening).

I don't know why Darlton insist on making this so complicated though :lol It always seemed to me that the easiest and likeliest explanation was that the shooters were Illana and her crew: they made their way to the main island, spotted Locke in the outrigger ahead of them, assumed that was MIB (because they were carrying the real Locke's body with them), and started firing.

 

[Erigu]

Its just an opinion, ive watched all of The Wire and i think LOST is way better, but I next to never shit on a wire(or other favourite shows) threads

Could you?
I mean, I can think of some criticisms, for the Wire, but not nearly as many as for Lost.

I just gave you a fucking interview where they say they never thought that would happen. Seriously, are you claiming you know their intentions better than they do?

I'm saying it's fucking ridiculous. They're either completely dumb or lying (that would sure fit their profile).

Transcript of the Black Rock letter, from the complete series box

Heh.

The mist has totally disappeared and it is broad daylight.

So that's how they explain the season 5 finale... Except Alpert's pal apparently didn't notice the statue until the night the boat (*deep breath*) crashed on the island.

Incomprehensible altogether is the conduct of Captain Hanso he prattles away the merest nonsense about the island and writes in his journal senseless equations. He was overheard asking Mhifield, "Is it 1881?" I cannot bring myself to the conclusion that the man is mad.

And I guess that's for the timeline inconsistencies regarding the year the Black Rock disappeared... even if it makes no sense in the slightest. Are we supposed to understand Hanso just put the wrong year in his journal (because he was craaaazy, apparently a popular motivation on that show), and that's it?

And of course, the outrigger (because they had an outrigger on their ship, don't ask)...
So they ended up in 2007 or so because the oh-so-convenient time fluctuations or whatever are apparently quite a bit more drastic than previously thought, and they got into a shoot-out with Sawyer and co because... yeah, I don't know either.

A job well done!

I don't know why Darlton insist on making this so complicated though :lol

Simple: the more confusing it is, the less obvious the plot holes are when you don't really pay attention. That's how they got 6 seasons out of this thing.

It always seemed to me that the easiest and likeliest explanation was that the shooters were Illana and her crew: they made their way to the main island, spotted Locke in the outrigger ahead of them, assumed that was MIB (because they were carrying the real Locke's body with them), and started firing.

That would be one hell of a lethal assumption to make, especially coming from somebody who's been tasked to protect a number of people. Oh, and there's the fact he was right there, on the beach, while Ilana and Bram were preparing that box with the corpse of the real Locke, and it would have been a great time to shoot him in the face.
Not that it would have done any good anyway, really, because, y'know, smoke monster! Maybe Bram should have tried trapping him somewhere with his magical ash, instead of helping Ilana with that damn box so they could carry the corpse to Jacob and tell him "your enemy looks like that!", just in case Jacob wouldn't trust them on their word alone, and just in case the smoke monster looked like Locke and thus ended up "stuck like that" when Jacob died wait why would they assume Jacob is dead it doesn't make any sense aaaah.

 

[KevinCow]

Has Erigu ever posted anywhere else? I've only ever seen him post in this thread to bitch about Lost.

I don't even know what point he's trying to make anymore. He hates the way the show ended, okay, everyone got that like three months ago.

 

[WillyFive]

Transcript of the Black Rock letter, from the complete series box:

It's like a new episode!!!!!!!!

 

[Erigu]

Has Erigu ever posted anywhere else?

Yeah?

I don't even know what point he's trying to make anymore.

Shit, I thought it was pretty clear...

He hates the way the show ended

You know what? I believe I never said anything about that, actually! :lol

 

[Yaweee]

Has Erigu ever posted anywhere else? I've only ever seen him post in this thread to bitch about Lost.

I don't even know what point he's trying to make anymore. He hates the way the show ended, okay, everyone got that like three months ago.

There's also the Emmy thread that's mostly about the three-way battle between Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and LOST for single-camera Drama awards.

 

[Erigu]

There's also the Emmy thread that's mostly about the three-way battle between Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and LOST for single-camera Drama awards.

Where the same "I'm not seeing you anywhere else!" thing surfaced, and I listed some of the other topics I replied to...

 

[big ander]

:O

 

[threenote]

Big Ander...did you actually pay $250 for that? WTF. I only spent $196.

 

[Darkflight]

:O

Hmm, that's pretty big, methinks I may have to pay a customs charge when that arrives in the country :lol

 

[Catalix]

Big Ander...did you actually pay $250 for that? WTF. I only spent $196.

oh shit, ander got ripped?

 

[PhoenixDark]

So you're doing this because there are lots of people who find LOST to be their favourite show.

Its just an opinion, ive watched all of The Wire and i think LOST is way better, but I next to never shit on a wire(or other favourite shows) threads

No, just no.

The Wire is superior to Lost on nearly every level - acting, writing, characters, consistency, etc. The only thing Lost does better is production (music, camera work, great locations). I don't see how anyone could compare the shows, especially from a writing perspective. I don't think anyone but Lost fanboys would take that position.

I like Lost (well, except for half of S3, and S6) but come on.

 

[threenote]

oh shit, ander got ripped?

People need to buy their shit from Amazon.

 

[AnimatorZombie]

oh shit, ander got ripped?

That's just the sticker price at Best Buy, it rings up at $194 or whatever.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

@PhoenixDark

Didnt read, but i read the name, saw the avatar and already knew what you were gonna write.

 

[brandonh83]

Lost has great performances too, but the difference is that Lost is meant to be more operatic in nature, it's why the production is so big, why Giacchino's music is so epic and swelling. Lost isn't meant to be as "realistic" as some of these other shows like The Wire or Mad Men. So you're right, they really shouldn't be compared. I'm just saying, I think Lost does have nuanced performances, but probably not as much overall as some of these other shows, though I would say that a number of the leads in Lost do display incredible nuance.

 

[C.Dark.DN]

I care about fantasy way more than anything realistic. The Wire didn't suck me in at all in the beginning, make me love the characters, or make me want to continue watching at all.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Lost has great performances too, but the difference is that Lost is meant to be more operatic in nature, it's why the production is so big, why Giacchino's music is so epic and swelling. Lost isn't meant to be as "realistic" as some of these other shows like The Wire or Mad Men. So you're right, they really shouldn't be compared. I'm just saying, I think Lost does have nuanced performances, but probably not as much overall as some of these other shows, though I would say that a number of the leads in Lost do display incredible nuance.

True, but Lost also features a good deal of bad, limited acting and poor writing displayed not only in some dialogue but the train wreck of the last season especially.

It's a very well made show, but in the grand scheme of things it does not compare to The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or any other premier television show imho.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

I care about fantasy way more than anything realistic. The Wire didn't suck me in at all in the beginning, make me love the characters, or make me want to continue watching at all.

Not to mention the politics plotline in season 3,4 and 5 bored me to tears.

God I hate carcetti

 

[Yaweee]

No, just no.

The Wire is superior to Lost on nearly every level - acting, writing, characters, consistency, etc. The only thing Lost does better is production (music, camera work, great locations). I don't see how anyone could compare the shows, especially from a writing perspective. I don't think anyone but Lost fanboys would take that position.

I like Lost (well, except for half of S3, and S6) but come on.

Fanboys = people that really, really, really like a show, so no shit that fans of one show like it more than other shows, even great ones.

Don't act like The Wire is perfect and people are crazy for not loving it as much as you. There's a reason why it repeatedly failed to attract viewers; each season is a slow burn that doesn't do much to be appealing on an episode-by-episode basis. You really need to watch full seasons to get any sense of emotional pay-off from the stories. That's not the type of show that appeals to everybody, especially with the show originally airing before DVRs, Netflix, and On Demand were as popular as they are today.

Honestly, I was like the only person I knew in real life that watched the show before it was fully finished.

 

[Catalix]

I care about fantasy way more than anything realistic. The Wire didn't suck me in at all in the beginning, make me love the characters, or make me want to continue watching at all.

It sure did pay off in spades though.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

True, but Lost also features a good deal of bad, limited acting and poor writing displayed not only in some dialogue but the train wreck of the last season especially.

It's a very well made show, but in the grand scheme of things it does not compare to The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or any other premier television show imho.

How many times are you going to type this same shit?

How many times have you typed this exact shit in a lost thread?

 

[Erigu]

The Wire is superior to Lost on nearly every level - acting, writing, characters, consistency, etc. The only thing Lost does better is production (music, camera work, great locations).

I thought the photography was really, really nice, in the Wire.
Location-wise... Heh, it's Baltimore, not a tropical island, I guess.
As for the music.... Well, there wasn't really any outside of the credits and some season finale montages, so it's kinda hard to compare, really! :lol

I really wouldn't have a lot of bad things to say about the writing of the Wire. Two or three scenes from the first season felt "forced" to me, and I thought the newspaper plot of the final season was (surprisingly) weak and Manichean. Apart from that though...

 

[Drealmcc0y]

Phoenix has trouble why someones opinion would differ to his, what a fucking at life he must be :lol

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

"DELIVERED"!!!!!!!!

(oh be tonight already)

 

[Erigu]

Phoenix has trouble why someones opinion would differ to his

And that sure doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else in this topic. :lol

 

[Drealmcc0y]

And that sure doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else in this topic. :lol

Many lost fans have this trouble, not respecting opinions.

Humans, in short, suck.

:lol

 

[C.Dark.DN]

And that sure doesn't seem to be a problem for anybody else in this topic. :lol

Not really. Notice how none of us have an avatar like his? He trolled and trolled Avatar, claimed it wouldn't pass 250 million domestically. What happened? Passed 740 million. 2.7 billion worldwide. Gets to live with the shame.

Lost? Nothing left to prove. People that love it love it, people that hate it hate it, and people that like it like it.

A lot of people that criticized lost are arguing with you because your personality sucks.

 

[Matrix]

<3

Anyone else with the complete collectors blu ray set, did you find

Spoiler

the extra disc underneath the replica island, pretty damn cool place to hide it

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

*tears*

Can't. Wait.

 

[Erigu]

Notice how none of us have an avatar like his? He trolled and trolled Avatar, claimed it wouldn't pass 250 million domestically. What happened? Passed 740 million. 2.7 billion worldwide. Gets to live with the shame.

Yeeeeah, I'm not sure I see how that has anything to do with my remark, but okay?

Lost? Nothing left to prove. People that love it love it, people that hate it hate it, and people that like it like it.

'Guess we should just close this topic, then. There's clearly nothing to say.

A lot of people that criticized lost are arguing with you because your personality sucks.

Whuh? ^^;

 

[Drealmcc0y]

A lot of people that criticized lost are arguing with you because your personality sucks.

O shit.

I bet that hit him really hard

 

[big ander]

<3

Anyone else with the complete collectors blu ray set, did you find

Spoiler

the extra disc underneath the replica island, pretty damn cool place to hide it

I cheated and

Spoiler

knew it was there. :/ But I have no idea what's on it!

And don't worry guys, I didn't get ripped off. AnimatorZombie has it right; I think with S&H it was...$208? Something in that ballpark? Was a good deal on BB.com.

 

[Merguson]

True, but Lost also features a good deal of bad, limited acting and poor writing displayed not only in some dialogue but the train wreck of the last season especially.

It's a very well made show, but in the grand scheme of things it does not compare to The Wire, The Shield, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, or any other premier television show imho.

I haven't seen The Shield or The Wire.. the only thing stopping me is that these are "crime drama" shows and I am sick to the bone of crime drama shows.

Breaking Bad.. came into too late and AMC doesn't include subtitles in the DVD boxset so screw it

Mad Men.. I'll catch it up later.. but the premise of the show doesn't interest me

Any other shows I can watch? Watching Rubicon and waiting for The Walking Dead in October. (This is more directed to everyone else)

 

[threenote]

I wonder what Erigu is saying. Oh wait, I don't--he's on my ignore list.

 

[Yaweee]

I haven't seen The Shield or The Wire.. the only thing stopping me is that these are "crime drama" shows and I am sick to the bone of crime drama shows.

Breaking Bad.. came into too late and AMC doesn't include subtitles in the DVD boxset so screw it

Mad Men.. I'll catch it up later.. but the premise of the show doesn't interest me

Any other shows I can watch? Watching Rubicon and waiting for The Walking Dead in October. (This is more directed to everyone else)

Neither The Shield or The Wire are "crime drama shows" in the sense that you're used to it. Pretty much everything you're probably referring to are episodic procedurals, and those two shows are anything but.

 

[Catalix]

Anyone else with the complete collectors blu ray set, did you find

Spoiler

the extra disc underneath the replica island, pretty damn cool place to hide it

Did we find out what was on it?

 

[C.Dark.DN]

<3

Anyone else with the complete collectors blu ray set, did you find

Spoiler

the extra disc underneath the replica island, pretty damn cool place to hide it

HEY

this still isn't a spoiler thread!!!!!!!!

You just brought the wrath of... That one guy that bitched a lot about spoilers... On you. He can sense them.

 

[Erigu]

I wonder what Erigu is saying. Oh wait, I don't--he's on my ignore list.

So you won't know that my posts are actually less pointless than yours. What a shame.
Could somebody tell him that he should set his brain on "ignore" as well?

Neither The Shield or The Wire are "crime drama shows" in the sense that you're used to it. Pretty much everything you're probably referring to are episodic procedurals, and those two shows are anything but.

Yup. I think you should give those shows a try, Merguson. There's no guarantee you'll like them (their appeal isn't exactly "universal", far from it), but it's at least worth a shot, in my opinion.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Fanboys = people that really, really, really like a show, so no shit that fans of one show like it more than other shows, even great ones.

Don't act like The Wire is perfect and people are crazy for not loving it as much as you. There's a reason why it repeatedly failed to attract viewers; each season is a slow burn that doesn't do much to be appealing on an episode-by-episode basis. You really need to watch full seasons to get any sense of emotional pay-off from the stories. That's not the type of show that appeals to everybody, especially with the show originally airing before DVRs, Netflix, and On Demand were as popular as they are today.

Honestly, I was like the only person I knew in real life that watched the show before it was fully finished.

But The Wire is perfect.

It's definitely a show that can turn some people off. There's not a like of "action" or gunplay and it's not as procedural/stereotyped as crime dramas. It has its own thing going on I guess, and does it very well. I can understand why someone would like a show like Lost more, which is more entertaining/straight forward for the average person.

To me, seasons 1,2, and 4 of Lost are amazing - I'm not knocking the show. While I was disappointed with the end, I'd still recommend the series to anyone and it certainly introduced some of my favorite characters (Locke, Sawyer) of all time.

 

[Drealmcc0y]

smh

edit:

While I was disappointed with the end, I'd still recommend the series to anyone and it certainly introduced some of my favorite characters (Locke, Sawyer) of all time.

There you go! You're growing.

All we need to do now is stick you in an imaginary afterlife and you just might redeem yourself

 

[big ander]

HHHHNNNNGHGNHGNGH

 

[C.Dark.DN]

But The Wire is perfect.

It's definitely a show that can turn some people off. There's not a like of "action" or gunplay and it's not as procedural/stereotyped as crime dramas. It has its own thing going on I guess, and does it very well. I can understand why someone would like a show like Lost more, which is more entertaining/straight forward for the average person.

To me, seasons 1,2, and 4 of Lost are amazing - I'm not knocking the show. While I was disappointed with the end, I'd still recommend the series to anyone and it certainly introduced some of my favorite characters (Locke, Sawyer) of all time.

I distinctly remember you saying Lost was shit and that you wouldn't recommend it.

But, I can understand season 6 pissing you off and you saying that before cooling down.

 

[WillyFive]

YEAHHHH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Izwd-Yn6w

2:00 onwards is awesome!

Oh yeah! That was great!

Barely used at all, like Henry Jones Sr.'s actual theme for The Last Crusade!

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Holy shiiiiiit and I thought the actual disc packaging was going to suck.

 

[Catalix]

Holy shiiiiiit and I thought the actual disc packaging was going to suck.

I really love that somber "names on a memorial" theme. Kinda wish they used it throughout tbh.

 

[Blader]

I haven't seen The Shield or The Wire.. the only thing stopping me is that these are "crime drama" shows and I am sick to the bone of crime drama shows.

The Shield and The Wire are not typical crime dramas like CSI or Law & Order. The Wire is a show about Baltimore, and all its institutions and cultures; it's more of a "city drama" than a crime drama, and really the only one of its kind.

The Shield is kind of a modern-day Greek tragedy; I make it sound pretentious, but it's absolutely worth watching. They both are.

Breaking Bad.. came into too late and AMC doesn't include subtitles in the DVD boxset so screw it

"Came into too late"? BB is considerably shorter than any of the other shows listed, it'd be much easier to catch up on that than anything else.

I don't know why subtitles are a dealbreaker, but couldn't you just turn on closed captioning on your tv?

Mad Men.. I'll catch it up later.. but the premise of the show doesn't interest me

I can't say the premise interested me either...until I watched it.


The Wire, The Shield, Mad Men, and Breaking Bad aren't hailed as some of the best TV shows ever for nothing. They are all extraordinarily well-written, well-acted, well-shot, etc. And if you break it down, they're all considerably better shows than Lost.

Spoiler

Though I like Lost more than any of them

:lol

 

[Dead]

God damn you guys getting this. I won't be able to afford one until at least November

 

[big ander]

Holy shiiiiiit and I thought the actual disc packaging was going to suck.

It really doesn't. They aren't high quality plastic cases or anything, but they're sort of cardboard fold outs with sturdy sleeves. Slim and strong.

I really love that somber "names on a memorial" theme. Kinda wish they used it throughout tbh.

Agreed. I thought it was just going to be 815 names on it, but it's EVERYONE.

God damn you guys getting this. I won't be able to afford one until at least November

Sorry Dead

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It really doesn't. They aren't high quality plastic cases or anything, but they're sort of cardboard fold outs with sturdy sleeves. Slim and strong.

I meant design wise. They look lovely there.