Without the flashback, it doesn't explain why Boone and his sister on the flight leaving Sydney.
Basically, this is WHAT happened...
Shannon got played by her boyfriend and was now stranded in Sydney without a meal ticket. She knew she had control over her step-brother, but he was pissed and likely to go home and flip her the bird for her bullshit antics. So what did she do? She seduced him, slept with him and now had complete control over him and a ticket home. She did not look like a woman not in power when they did the deed.
... Locke absolved him of his need of Shannon and her control over him. Much like Charlie's heroin habit.
He's trying to form some kind of group. Remember, he said he wanted Sayid on 'our side'. Something is going down.
Also, a popular rumor is that the hatch is...
An airplane hatch. It's their airplane, and if they open it, they'll see all their dead bodies. Because they're in some sort of purgatory.
That would be a heck of a way to end season 1 if that was so, Willco
I remember hearing in an interview (sadly, I don't have the link or the exact quote, but it compared Lost to Steven King's The Stand, in which there were two very different sides fighting against one another. Each with their own leader and recruits. Without having heard what popular Lost forums think, it seems obvious that Lock(e?) is heading up the "bad" side, unless he's fighting for good and Jack's group is just in the middle. Nevertheless, the way it's playing out is very interesting.
I don't think Locke is evil. And I think Jack will join him. Remember him asking Charlie if he trusted him?
Most likely, you'll see Locke continue to recruit people by ridding them of their weaknesses and I think you'll see Walt and Sawyer form some sort of opposition.
I think it's likely that we'll see Jack and Kate split, like as hinted in episodes past.
Without the flashback, it doesn't explain why Boone and his sister on the flight leaving Sydney.
Basically, this is WHAT happened...
Shannon got played by her boyfriend and was now stranded in Sydney without a meal ticket. She knew she had control over her step-brother, but he was pissed and likely to go home and flip her the bird for her bullshit antics. So what did she do? She seduced him, slept with him and now had complete control over him and a ticket home. She did not look like a woman not in power when they did the deed.
... Locke absolved him of his need of Shannon and her control over him. Much like Charlie's heroin habit.
He's trying to form some kind of group. Remember, he said he wanted Sayid on 'our side'. Something is going down.
Also, a popular rumor is that the hatch is...
An airplane hatch. It's their airplane, and if they open it, they'll see all their dead bodies. Because they're in some sort of purgatory.
I was just milling over it awhile ago, and I was thinking the same kind of thing. Like this is some sort of purgatory. Perhaps the "plane" was even transportation to the afterlife in a metaphysical sense, but it somehow crashed en route and the island represents a sort of limbo where all of the characters are currently. However, didn't the creators say there was nothing paranormal going on and that the reason why everything is the way it is is fairly logical? Of course, where you draw the line on "logical" is up in the air.
Also, if that really is "the twist" then this multi-season show is going to be in quite a bind if that were to become clear. Personally I just think people are reading too much into it. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm against the theory that everyone is dead. The latest that could become revealed would be at the end of season 1, and who wants to watch dead people's living spirits on an island? ;p
No, really. They cut to a local News commercial (advertising something about car stabilizers) right in the middle of a scene, then cut out of the commercial back to the show...then did it another time, and when the real commercial time finally hit...blackscreen!
Footage was lost. -_-; (And what I didn't clue in to until it was too late was that the ABC affiliate didn't lose sync and wasn't running CTV commercials.)
Also, if that really is "the twist" then this multi-season show is going to be in quite a bind if that were to become clear. Personally I just think people are reading too much into it. Not that that's a bad thing, but I'm against the theory that everyone is dead. The latest that could become revealed would be at the end of season 1, and who wants to watch dead people's living spirits on an island? ;p
Yeah, it would be weird to end Season 1 like that, as it makes you wonder where exactly it could go for Season 2. The possibility of them being dead, even if its interesting, leads to logistical problems for future seasons. 1) It could almost get *too* weird for most people. 2) There could be something even bigger than that going on here, but would they have the budget to pull it off? But, who knows, maybe the creators know what they're doing...
Does anyone else think that Sun's husband also knows english? During the whole "PEE ON MY FOOT" thing, didn't he say "no" a couple of times towards the end? Wouldn't it be interesting that they both know english but are keeping it from each other?
It's definitely possible - Hurley even says that there's a rumor that Jin knows English. But it's also pretty reasonable that he could have just learned "no" and "yes" without having anything approaching fluench in English. Those are just some simple words that are pretty easy to pick up ... and
rather important to pick up when you're trapped on an island with English speakers
I wonder if everything is really, not real. What if the hatch Locke and Boone found is really a maintence or escape hatch. What if this is all a private little Truman Show, for a government or a Dr Moreau like character. What if the hallucinations caused by the monster are a test of mental strength by the ones in charge.
The hatch opens. As the hatch creaks open, the sound of hissing air is heard escaping. Dust, disturbed by the influx of fresh air, flies into the air, obscuring for a few moments what lies inside: another hatch. The fat guy is then heard in the back saying, "What the shit?" as the credits begin to roll.
I sort of skimmed the thread, I fear spoilers though most of you are really good at marking them. So I hope I'm not repeating anything.
I'm kind of surprised about the backlash against Lost here. I suppose I should have expected it, anything that's big gets hate eventually, but I don't really think it's deserved. At least wait until the end of the season before complaining about too many loose ends not being tied up. And let's face it, if this show keeps getting the ratings it has been and the same critical acclaim, we could be looking at 7, 8, who knows how many seasons? When you look at the likes of Alias, which has had critical acclaim but never the same level of ratings, that's alreayd made it to a fourth season, so it's not so hard to imagine. Anyway, my point is they need a lot of different plot things going on if they want to maintain our interest in a show set on an island with a seriously limited number of things they can do.
Moving back to this episode specifically, it was pretty good. Not the best, not the worst, just good. I liked the flashbacks (not sure why people think they might be hallucinations, I really don't think that's the case at all) and I'm glad they didn't keep forcing the point that Boone and Shannon aren't actually related on us so it kept the revelation as a surprise. Funnily enough, I'd commented to a friend earlier in the season about how it was a pity Shannon and Boone were siblings as they're both so good looking that they should get together.
I didn't personally see the ending coming, even if someone else in the thread did (I forget who, demi maybe). At first I thought maybe Boone was hearing a voice kind of like Said did, just because it seemed ridiculous for Shannon to be tied up too. Then when she actually was, I thought maybe it was like Jack's father being on the island and it was just some trick (assuming Jack's father is a trick). But they played it out for so long that I began to believe it, and then when Shannon "died" I felt certain it was real, especially as someone in an earlier thread didn't spoiler the fact (don't read this)
that they apparently intend to kill off a main character this season.
As I must have missed last week's thread, I'll just say I didn't think there was much wrong with the previous episode. I can imagine there must be some disappointment that the whole Claire thing didn't carry straight on, but I sort of expected it somehow. Maybe it's because Angel did something similar last season, a big cliffhanger before Christmas and no mention of it at all on the return, but whatever it was, I had a feeling this was going to be calmer. It did feel like a couple of the storylines weren't the most thrilling, Sayid and Shannon and Charlie and...ermm...the old black lady specifically, and while perhaps needed for the story to move forwards, maybe they could have found a way to put them in seperate episodes. I liked the Kate/Jack/Sawyer thing though, and the flashbacks. I'd rate it above the French woman episode at the very least. Plus Shannon's singing was beautiful.
How many "loose ends" do we have now? I'll list the ones I can think of, though some aren't really loose ends, they're just hints:
- Kate killed the man she loved. Why? How?
- Kate is apparently highly proficient in fire arms and has the understanding of how to, for example, rob a bank or try slight of hand tricks with Jack etc. What's her story?
- What does the small plane she was after have to do with things?
- How was Jack's father's coffin empty?
- Is that really Jack's dad on the island? His ghost? A hallucination (induced?)?
- What's happening to Claire?
- Why's her baby so important? How exactly is her not raising him so dangerous?
- Did her dream, particularly the part with Locke, mean anything more than it seems on the surface?
- What's in Michael's box? (hahaha shut up)
- Where does Walt get his luck from? What does it have to do with things?
- Is it a coincidence that Locke is giving a lot of attention to Walt?
- (spoilered just because you might have missed it, I did the first couple of times I saw the episode, and I dount it's a coincidence so will probably have repercussions later on)
What's up with Walt reading a comic book with a polar bear in it right before they're attacked by a polar bear?
- Will we find out what Jin did for Sun's father? Specifically I mean.
- What will come of Hurley/Sun knowing Kate's secret (to a degree anyway)?
- What were the voices Sayid heard?
- Who hit Sayid over the head? (Personally I feel Locke did, his reasoning that it must be Sawyer actually applies to himself perfectly, if only the others knew it. Could have been one of the people already on the island though, Ethan in particular.)
- What is in the maps and information Sayid has?
- Is the song on the map the ravings of a mad woman or something more?
- What does Locke know? Is he on someone's side?
- How much of Locke's knowledge comes form his training for the walkabout, how much has been given to him by...whatever the "monster" is?
- The hatch?
- "If we're lucky it's one of the bears"? (French woman)
- Black Rock? (French woman)
- What are "the carriers"? (French woman)
- French science team shipwreck...just unlucky, or like the plane?
- What happened to Alex, the French woman's child? Boy or girl?
- What's up with the "monster"?
- The two people entombed in the caves?
- How did so many people survive the plane crash?
- Was the plane crash intentional (it seems to obviously be, but will we find out for certain)?
- Are the "monster" and the people Ethan is with even part of the same thing?
- Why...just why is Hurley called Hurley! The most vital question of them all.
What have I missed? And that took a fucking long time btw, so hopefully nothing.
That was deep Mama Smurf, and why I agree with you that the show has never really had a bad episode. Questions WON'T be answered yet. Maybe I'm just used to watch Abrams' Alias and aren't looking for answers, but I'm lovin' it.
I say it is all a dream by that the woman that didn't speak and was off by herself that lost her husband and kept saying he'll be back etc. I think it is all a dream. And Bobby will come out of the shower and we'll see the penis this time.
5 more episodes...not sure how many weeks that will end up being, but Hurley's flashback is the 18th Episode of the Season...I don't really consider that a spoiler.
5 more episodes...not sure how many weeks that will end up being, but Hurley's flashback is the 18th Episode of the Season...I don't really consider that a spoiler.
I also liked when Jack asked if he had been eating those leaves or not (because they were inedible), to which Hurley replied "They're not for eatin', dude!", and ran off into the woods with his bowels churning... :lol :lol
She said, "My child." Subtle difference, but on Lost, subltle differences mean everything. 'My child' doesn't mean its human, especially to a wacked-out island strandee of at least 16 years. For all we know, Alex could mean Artificial Life EXperiment.
Hmm.. This isn't the first time, either. Remember that when Jack was arguing with the person at the counter about taking his father back with him, Jin and Sun (the Korean couple) were waiting in line behind him.
I don't think that chance encounter between Sawyer and Boone is of any significance myself. Just something funny for the audience to go "ooh" at.
I think I'm with Jack in distrusting Locke. Not only is he (Locke) very much on his own but he is also quite in love with the island. This is the place that gave him his new life. It's his dream land. I would be wary of his "help." Why does he have to be so secretive? Yeah, I wouldn't trust any of those other potential cannibals either if I were Locke but I think he's taking a few too many liberties for my liking.
Just some healthy distrust is all. Heck, I'd respect and even fear the guy but I wouldn't put all my luggage on the Locke express.
She means the patient that Jack's dad was operating on while drunk.
That Jack saw Sun and Jin in line at the airport isn't exactly like Sawyer at the police station though...we obviously knew that those three were in the airport at the same time already.
The problem that I see with LOST is that to me it has a preset story, it should end when the story says it should end. I don't think it will adapt well to 'seasons'. If it continues to have success then it they will start stretching it out by adding pointless stuff while leaving major issues unresolved. To me it feel like it would be a lot better as a mini series or a 1 or 2 season show instead off a multi season show. They won't know when they will get dropped so they won't get a chance to tell the story how its supposed to be. Thats my take anyway. I still love it though.
What if that woman who died on the operating table was the kid with the dog's mom.
And maybe all the dead people are on the "other side" wanting their family members to be comforted by their family?
Arrgg...hard to translate. Maybe the people that are dead - kid's mom, Kate's child, Jack's dad are on the other side together and they want their family that is alive to be together with the other people who "LOST" someone.
The problem that I see with LOST is that to me it has a preset story, it should end when the story says it should end. I don't think it will adapt well to 'seasons'. If it continues to have success then it they will start stretching it out by adding pointless stuff while leaving major issues unresolved. To me it feel like it would be a lot better as a mini series or a 1 or 2 season show instead off a multi season show. They won't know when they will get dropped so they won't get a chance to tell the story how its supposed to be. Thats my take anyway. I still love it though.
We already know that Walt's mother died and Michael was likely going to Sydney to get him...and Jack's father killed the mother on the operating table in the states.
The problem that I see with LOST is that to me it has a preset story, it should end when the story says it should end. I don't think it will adapt well to 'seasons'. If it continues to have success then it they will start stretching it out by adding pointless stuff while leaving major issues unresolved. To me it feel like it would be a lot better as a mini series or a 1 or 2 season show instead off a multi season show. They won't know when they will get dropped so they won't get a chance to tell the story how its supposed to be. Thats my take anyway. I still love it though.
That's something a lot of shows face though. I don't think we can be sure how much aof a set story they have. I'm sure there are things they want to do, perhaps even things they know they can't do for a few season, but I doubt it's all one big planned out story.
You just have to look at something like Angel to see how well everything can tie together even when you don't know where you're going or when you might be cancelled. Angel faced possible cancellation at the end of every single season, and they didn't know where they were going specifically that often (when Angel began they never planned him to head up Wolfram & Hart eventually, Spike turning up was never meant to happen, hell he was meant to die halfway through S2 of Buffy but his character was so popular that they changed it etc), but they still managed to tie up the vast majority of loose ends in the last season.
Lost does have some room to grow over the seasons. There are, after all, 46 people left of those stranded by the plane crash, so you can bring in new characters who've just been off screen that whole time. Then there's the fact that it has a huge main cast anyway, so lots of stories to go with. The island is really the main restriction here, but with so little of it explored and even less understood, they should be okay for a while. They just can't reveal the island's secrets, or not all of them, for a long time is all.
No the operation was an emergency (or at least not an expected appointment) which is why the father wasn't ready (or rather, was under the influence) and why they rushed to get Jack. If it was some pre-scheduled ground-breaking international surgery, I doubt even the Jack's father would go into it drunk.
Some of the clues I've noticed, but I can't really explain their significance yet. (who can?)
- kid reads comic book -- it the Justice Society. Another dimension from ours, where the "Justice League" exists. Significant? And, it's in Spanish. Significant? There is a killer white bear in the book, and shortly afterwards (and next week, from previews) a white polar bear tries to kill some of them.
- Pregnant woman fears somebody is trying to harm her unborn child, or her. Then a guy 'appears' -- Ethan -- who we never saw before -- and kidnaps her and nearly kills Charlie too.
- Locke in the jungle, big monster faces him down -- he doesn't die but evidently gains knowledge/understanding nobody else has. And, Locke can now walk. (due to the accident? It has been documented to happen, but maybe its the island?)
- Sayide (sp?) feels guilty about torturing Sawyer, leaves to explore island and find french woman's transmission source. He is then taken captive and tortured by french woman. He gets maps from her, which make no sense.
- Jack sees his father in the bushes, who disappears when approached.
- Boone's hallucination about Shannon's death-by-monster.
It seems like whatever is bothering a person, the island tries to kill them with that idea. Or, tries to help the person come to grips with their fear?
Some of the clues I've noticed, but I can't really explain their significance yet. (who can?)
- kid reads comic book -- it the Justice Society. Another dimension from ours, where the "Justice League" exists. Significant? And, it's in Spanish. Significant? There is a killer white bear in the book, and shortly afterwards (and next week, from previews) a white polar bear tries to kill some of them.
It's just Flash and Sentinel. It's from a 2 part mini-series Faster Friends, about how the most current Flash (Wally West) and Green Lantern (Kyle) can't get along but work together for the sake of their predecessors and the planet (also about a past sin of the 1st Flash/GL).
For what it's worth, the way Japanese dramas work is what you guys are proposing. They have a fixed story planned in advance and when it ends, it ends. That's it. If it's super cool, they try to round up the same actors again (plus/minus a few) and come up with a sequel which again has a pre-determined start/end...
I think I'm with Jack in distrusting Locke. Not only is he (Locke) very much on his own but he is also quite in love with the island. This is the place that gave him his new life. It's his dream land. I would be wary of his "help." Why does he have to be so secretive? Yeah, I wouldn't trust any of those other potential cannibals either if I were Locke but I think he's taking a few too many liberties for my liking.
Yeah, as another GAFer (or perhaps someone on another board, I don't remember) once pointed out that Locke talks about how you to give the island something before the island gives you anything in return. Locke got something big (the use of his legs) but now he owes the island a lot...
In Boones dream, im pretty sure the 'monster' was some kind of logging device, in the little bit of CG you saw it picked up 2 trees then you hear what sounds like circular saws, later his sisters body has clearly been cut to shreds.
I guess that could have just been a subtle trick by the writers.
